Jynx_lucky_j

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If we assume that the chart is in fact from Lord Arioch, and not Rivons own meme (which I have my doubts)... its still a meme response. The entire response is written with a lack of seriousness. So I wouldn't take it too seriously regardless. Which is fine. Fans often take a piece of media far more seriously than its actual creators do. And when you look at it objectively, our 608 and counting pages of debates on here about the interpersonal dynamics of fictional characters in a porn game is pretty silly.

That said, lets get silly! :ROFLMAO: Once again assuming this is in fact from Lord Arioch, even though this is a meme response that doesn't mean that there isn't truth within it as well. The first question is, is this a measure of the social and political hierarchy with in Bloodmeen or is a a measure of the individuals strength and power. I would argue the later because Rowan ostensibly outranks everyone but the twins. Sure you could argue that some of the character might be under him on paper but out rank him in real politics. And that may be true for characters like Cliohna and X'zaratl, but I don't think it is as true for characters like Greyhide or Ameraine, at least not to the degree this chart shows.

So that leaves us with a chart of the characters raw power. But Rowans position still seems odd because in the updated prologue he gives both the twins a run for their money when they attack his village, and with just 4-5 points invested in his combat skill he can reliably best Andras in a non-magical combat. The only way this chart could potentially still work is if this is truly just raw power. No skill, no strategy, no tricks, no maneuvering. Then I think it might work out about right, based on what we know of the characters.

I liken it to Batman . :geek: It is generally agreed among the comic book fandom that Batman can defeat any opponent IF given enough time to study the opponent and prepare for the conflict. But what constitutes enough time varies wildly depending on the opponent. It would take Batman an exponentially time longer to prepare for an opponent like Superman when compared to someone like Elongated Man. Rowan is quite possibly the weakest of the 6 heroes from a pure power standpoint. He's no slouch, but his real strength comes from strategy and subterfuge. I'm certain that given enough time he could get himself and Alexia out of this situation and stop the twins. But it is a very delicate situation and he is surrounded by people that with vastly more raw power than him. The question isn't really is he capable of stopping the twins and saving both himself and Alexia, it is will he be able to do it before it no longer matters because the twins managed to conquer the realms or either of them have been corrupted beyond saving.
 

Oriandu

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Certainly, Rowan has a chance if he play his cards right... But this is just Act I, and as far we concern, the only character near to be an ally is Nasim, because for now Helayna isn't in better shape, if we (the players) goes dumb to see NTR with Alexia then she would be lost as an ally for us (Rowan). And is very tentative those scenes u know :ROFLMAO:... Now with all that said, as far as Act I goes, everything that Rowan has done worked in benefit of the Twins, after save the ass of that Sexual Demon murderer i cannot trust him/her whatever because as far the story goes Rowan still don't get a benefit of that, the first time i played and finally conquer Rastedel to see what comes of that because of the Twins, i knew exactly how character John Daggett from TDKR must had felt in that scene lol.

Twins: Do you feel in charge?.

Rowan: I create for you an army, secure enough resources, forge alliances, conquer villages as Raeve Keep and the Half of Rastedel, put to work mines & breeding pits, resolve problems between your people and with the creatures you breed, diminish the faith in the Goddess, sacrifice Helayna, let you play with me and my wife when you have sexual needs...

Twins: And do you think that give you power over us?.

rolfmao.
It does give Rowan power over them... eventually. Whether they're aware of it or not the more they rely on Rowan to build their ability to conquer the world, the more he's able to work on his own agenda, the more capable he becomes of rebelling. If we're going to continue using Dark Knight Rises as a comparison point, Rowan is Batman. He has been knocked down, he has been beaten, he has been broken, but he has the skills, knowledge, and will to rise up, take whatever advantage he can, and eventually defeat the twins. You're quite literally comparing him to someone that can be gotten rid of at any time, and he is, but losing him would set the twins back years. Rowan is the difference between a relatively quick, straight forward, comparatively bloodless campaign to years of pitched wars that the twins would likely lose. If the odds weren't so stacked against him Rowan would be a Gary Stu since he's handsome, a skilled orator, a natural diplomat, a seasoned general and an extremely skilled warrior with an expertise in multiple forms of combat and has shown himself to be so skilled that in a proper fight Andras would stand as much a chance of losing as winning, oh, and he's got that good dick. You're selling Rowan far, far shorter than Seeds of Chaos presents him as.
 

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A question to those that can help. Do you guys have a full save? though shameless of me, but I do play the game normally. If so are you able to provide? Just a question from a random person.
 

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I was kinda hoping to read some paragraphs like the ones going on these past few days but anyways I'll just leave some of my thoughts
seeing in my files Seeds of Chaos [v0.2.65] was the last version i was playing on, it has been quite a long while and i was a lil annoyed that my saves were borked but man all the reworked art is amazing, very worth (i hate replaying/rewatching anything in general) been playing a bit every day

also the dialogue choice for rowan saying he is the reason the war was won is hilarious, one of the funniest dialogues I've heard in a porn game since Sengoku Rance, I am kind of inclined to agree with that take though

as an avid futa enjoyer I heckin' love X'Zaratl! but am just curious if she'll ever use anything besides her donger?
Oh I'm right there with you when you say that, I too am a big X'Zaratl fan. Rowan and her now in the latest update show the beginnings of a deep connection between the two. One that I hope ends up having X'Zaratl not just want to be inbetween Alexia and Rowan all the time but show some of her own wants and desires for Rowan too. Hopefully as she mentioned before, she perhaps wants Rowan to love her and maybe even begin a family with her. So when you say will she ever use anything beside her cock, I think that's likely being saved for later acts due to those implications.
 
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It does give Rowan power over them... eventually. Whether they're aware of it or not the more they rely on Rowan to build their ability to conquer the world, the more he's able to work on his own agenda, the more capable he becomes of rebelling. If we're going to continue using Dark Knight Rises as a comparison point, Rowan is Batman. He has been knocked down, he has been beaten, he has been broken, but he has the skills, knowledge, and will to rise up, take whatever advantage he can, and eventually defeat the twins. You're quite literally comparing him to someone that can be gotten rid of at any time, and he is, but losing him would set the twins back years. Rowan is the difference between a relatively quick, straight forward, comparatively bloodless campaign to years of pitched wars that the twins would likely lose. If the odds weren't so stacked against him Rowan would be a Gary Stu since he's handsome, a skilled orator, a natural diplomat, a seasoned general and an extremely skilled warrior with an expertise in multiple forms of combat and has shown himself to be so skilled that in a proper fight Andras would stand as much a chance of losing as winning, oh, and he's got that good dick. You're selling Rowan far, far shorter than Seeds of Chaos presents him as.
While I mostly agree with your assessment I think there is one more large layer preventing Rowan from being a Gary Stu. Rowan is as basic as they come (for now) in a world of magic. He has no magical abilities, no magical items, and is a regular slightly above average sized human male in a world of incredible creatures and abilities. If we consider martial and cognitive abilities he is still powerfully portrayed in the game; but he is portrayed as frustratingly weak compared to most other male characters sexually. Orcs, sex demons, large human characters who top him, big fluffy the furry fey, driders, a tentacle monster, minotaurs. The only male characters who are portrayed as weaker are male elves, goblins, and human twinks. Rowan kinda has to get by competing by using the power of love and technique. I do find it frustrating as someone who enjoys playing from the Rowan POV the most. More sexual equivalency would be very satisfying. Could be achieved via temporary / permanent transformation, magical items (like the ring in the X‘Zaratl pregnancy event), or by toning down some of the sexual antagonists / competitors.
 
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KillerKlown

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Actually how do you resolve any of the Orc Camp stuff? Been messing around with it forever and I can't plan Delany's escape...and what's the point of corrupting her?
 

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Actually how do you resolve any of the Orc Camp stuff? Been messing around with it forever and I can't plan Delany's escape...and what's the point of corrupting her?
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Actually how do you resolve any of the Orc Camp stuff? Been messing around with it forever and I can't plan Delany's escape...and what's the point of corrupting her?
Corrupting her locks you into Batari’s path- you cannot rescue her if you do this.

To rescue her you need to lock in multiple groups to assist you. You can find these by scouting the camp, raiding with Batari’s men, or requisitioning help from Cla-min.

Jynx_lucky_j: attempting the rescue solo requires starting to execute the Tarish route and having a change of heart during the process of the delivery. It might also have a low or Med corruption req; my memory of that part is fuzzy. I always opt for straight rescue now so I haven’t attempted that rescue route since my first play through, it also may have changed slightly based on the mechanics rehash- I presume the core components remained the same though.
 

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Jynx_lucky_j: attempting the rescue solo requires starting to execute the Tarish route and having a change of heart during the process of the delivery. It might also have a low or Med corruption req; my memory of that part is fuzzy. I always opt for straight rescue now so I haven’t attempted that rescue route since my first play through, it also may have changed slightly based on the mechanics rehash- I presume the core components remained the same though.
Ah yes thats right, it been a long time since I've done that route, because now I know what path I'm going to take before I even start the arc.
thats what i meant by the fort, and the cutscene always says how i failed to take care of the finance and shit i forgot the exacts
Actually, I think you might have a older version of the game. I just went to test some of my advice real quick in my game, and there was no Treasury requirement at all. Try downloading the newest version of the game from the 1st page of this thread and see if that solves your problem.
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Thank you.

Two more questions: How do I unlock the Chief Orcess scene and how do I get Jezera to give me the potion?
At the end of the Tarish Path you can hook up with her. You'll find the option to to get the potion from Jezera in the Throne Room (I know it's a bit confusing since she is normally hanging out in the living quarters)

dont suppose anyone has a maxed out save
This isn't the sort of game that a "completed save" would do anything for you. You are probably looking for something more like the Seeds of Chaos Extended Scene Replay Mod or using UnRen.bat to enable developer mode.
 
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Jynx_lucky_j

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Thanks but apparently there is a Chief Orcess scene you can get after 'being captured'
I can think of a couple scenes that might be what you describe, but they are all unrelated to the Orcaid camp. They are random events when entering other orc encampment. So you'll either have to wander around searching for orc camps, or you can try to force it by saving just before you enter a camp and reloading until the RNG goes in your favor.
One is called Chieftess_seeks_pretty_boy which is triggered by looking her in the eyes. The other is called orc_feminist_camp which is trigger by using your body to convince the orcs to join you.
 
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