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basically, scope creep
a lot of the shit they have in chapter 1 right now could have honestly been stretched through the whole game proper but more h scenes gets the patreon money than new main story updates
Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.09] [Vénus Noire]
a lot of the shit they have in chapter 1 right now could have honestly been stretched through the whole game proper but more h scenes gets the patreon money than new main story updates
- May 13, 2018
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Less content... that's all (Patreon guidelines lead to that). Unless you are talking in comparison to a Public version (if there's any).
Then what do you call the Andraste, main city and Goblin content? Isn't that all main quest stuff?
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I can't help but feel like a lot of people would be happier if you just checked in on the game once every 6-12 months.
As much as I enjoy this game, I'm not so hurting for stuff to play that I feel the need to constantly follow its development. I just check in once in a while to see how things are going. Maybe I'll load up the Scene Replay Mod to check out some of the new stuff if a scene seems particularly interesting. But in the end whether it is done next week or in 20 years just isn't that big of a deal.
We all wish the games was finished sooner but anyone who thinks the devs are doing nothing but kicking their feet up and collecting that fat patreon money should try
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But to a lot of people the game still feels stagnate. And honestly, I do understand that feeling. In my mind there are 3 reasons that the game feels like it is treading water despite the vast improvements and several novels worth of additional content that has come out since then.
The first and probably biggest reason is the early Devs complete 95% of the main story line before they finished almost any of the side content. As things are right now the main story has been sitting in the same place for several years. And the main story has been 95% done all this time, all that's left is a bit of epilogue stuff to set up part 2. But when they rushed to the end, they vastly under estimated how much promised side content they had left to work on. So while we are getting a good amount of content, the main story of the game remains frozen in place.
Related to the first is the prevalence of side projects in early development. For a lot of the people involved this was their first game and first time working on a project like this, and there wasn't a lot of management or oversight. From what I can tell, a lot of the early devs were just working on whatever they felt like at the time or focusing on their own favorite characters, instead of working on the parts that would actually move the game toward completion. Earlier, I saw someone lamenting that the goblin recruitment arc was eating up a lot of time for a side project, after all we already have the orcs and they don't have nearly as much content as the goblins are getting. But the truth is that the goblin recruitment was actually planned to be part of the main story from the beginning, and it is the orc camp that was a side project. It's just that no one was working on the goblin for years to the point that even the climax of the game had to be written around the orc side content. So why was someone writing up an entirely superfluous yet extensive orc recruitment arc when no one had even written the main story's goblin recruitment arc yet? because no one was setting priorities and people were focusing on their own pet projects.
Finally, the last major contributor to the feeling of not progressing is the reworked content. Do to the fact that many of the early devs were new to both game development and writing, there was a very clear quality difference between a lot of the early created contend and the later developed content. There we also sections that didn't really feel like they fit with the rest of the game since the devs were often working so independently of each other. They had two different artist with vastly different styles making the art for the game, meaning half the scenes looked like they came from a totally different game. Personally, I'm more forgiving of this one because I feel like the reworked content is almost always a significant improvement.
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As much as I enjoy this game, I'm not so hurting for stuff to play that I feel the need to constantly follow its development. I just check in once in a while to see how things are going. Maybe I'll load up the Scene Replay Mod to check out some of the new stuff if a scene seems particularly interesting. But in the end whether it is done next week or in 20 years just isn't that big of a deal.
We all wish the games was finished sooner but anyone who thinks the devs are doing nothing but kicking their feet up and collecting that fat patreon money should try
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. The game has improved a ton since then. In the game play, in the quality and quantity of the content, and in the artwork. Even though this is the version that got me into the game, when I look back on it now it seems practically unplayable compared to the current version. The people that pop up here occasionally saying something like "I played this game 5 year ago and no progress has been made" either they don't remember what the game was like back then or they haven't actually played the newer version.---
But to a lot of people the game still feels stagnate. And honestly, I do understand that feeling. In my mind there are 3 reasons that the game feels like it is treading water despite the vast improvements and several novels worth of additional content that has come out since then.
The first and probably biggest reason is the early Devs complete 95% of the main story line before they finished almost any of the side content. As things are right now the main story has been sitting in the same place for several years. And the main story has been 95% done all this time, all that's left is a bit of epilogue stuff to set up part 2. But when they rushed to the end, they vastly under estimated how much promised side content they had left to work on. So while we are getting a good amount of content, the main story of the game remains frozen in place.
Related to the first is the prevalence of side projects in early development. For a lot of the people involved this was their first game and first time working on a project like this, and there wasn't a lot of management or oversight. From what I can tell, a lot of the early devs were just working on whatever they felt like at the time or focusing on their own favorite characters, instead of working on the parts that would actually move the game toward completion. Earlier, I saw someone lamenting that the goblin recruitment arc was eating up a lot of time for a side project, after all we already have the orcs and they don't have nearly as much content as the goblins are getting. But the truth is that the goblin recruitment was actually planned to be part of the main story from the beginning, and it is the orc camp that was a side project. It's just that no one was working on the goblin for years to the point that even the climax of the game had to be written around the orc side content. So why was someone writing up an entirely superfluous yet extensive orc recruitment arc when no one had even written the main story's goblin recruitment arc yet? because no one was setting priorities and people were focusing on their own pet projects.
Finally, the last major contributor to the feeling of not progressing is the reworked content. Do to the fact that many of the early devs were new to both game development and writing, there was a very clear quality difference between a lot of the early created contend and the later developed content. There we also sections that didn't really feel like they fit with the rest of the game since the devs were often working so independently of each other. They had two different artist with vastly different styles making the art for the game, meaning half the scenes looked like they came from a totally different game. Personally, I'm more forgiving of this one because I feel like the reworked content is almost always a significant improvement.
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Never heard about that and never use any mods or tools with this game.
But I think most people use UnRen , don't know if it's the same thing you are using or similar but maybe it can help with whatever you are trying to do.
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It doesn't work with choices however u can change anything like stat point and other scores
Patreon has a lot of harder rules for content than Subscribestar or Steam (so far, because it all boils down to Credit Card Companies threatening to abandon platforms if their products are used to fund various content, as far as I recall).
As for what is missing: Right now it is mostly content that is furry or monster-related. Greyhide, Whitescar, Sil, Driders, Wulump scenes, that kind of thing. No idea if Patreon is going to get even harsher on the rules in the future, but chances are high. Subscribestar is less exposed to these issues because they split their page into two entities: One meant for Adult/Mature projects and another for the rest. If the CC companies decided to pressure them over the adult content, they wouldn't risk losing as much income as Patreon who have all their eggs in one basket.
This doesn't mean Subscribestar is immune or won't back down if threatened, of course. There's every chance that Steam might eventually become the only uncensored place for content, if only because Steam can't be bothered to properly do content control for over ten thousand new games a year. But on the other hand that leaves the devs without a steady source of income and supporters can't vote or influence the process any. So answering a question you didn't ask: Subscribestar for right now is the best place to go if you want a fully updated build with all the content currently.
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Probably not the exact same but wouldn't itch.io be pretty safe against that kind of problem too. And there's also GOG, both platforms have or had the game available (not updated to the latest version tho).
- Dec 20, 2019
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Telling people to wait to check back on this game every 6+ months doesn't change the fact the game has been in development for years and is in no way close to being finished, with increasing scope creep and massive amounts of extra scenes that are diluting the game's development time. There are games made by one person that are much higher quality and have finished development in far less time.
This game has been getting milked for patreon money and it's sorry to see.
- Feb 6, 2023
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I have to be honest, this was my favorite game on the entire f95 site. But since the Patreon incident, the black screens, and the lack of progress in the main plot, it has become a total disappointment. Forgetting characters or giving stories to intrinsic characters, the accelerated corruption of Alexia, plot holes in defeating demons. The very ambition of the game in all these years has been its own drag.
- May 1, 2021
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All I'm saying is that if you are disappointed with the game's progress, checking in constantly is just going to make you more upset. If you are already mad about the progress then instead of checking in every update and complaining about how it's not done yet, just don't do that. Either just give up on it and move on, or check less frequently. Why subject yourself to constant disappointment?
Because they want to feel important and like their opinion is fact and everyone has to hear it. Not a mindreader but it just seems like a massive waste of time unless they're deriving that kind of engagement from it.
Does anyone know if ACT 2 will be a new game on Steam? Or will it be "just" updates?
And, if it will be a new game, is it possible to get a key by patreon them for x amount?
And, if it will be a new game, is it possible to get a key by patreon them for x amount?
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Interesting that I had to look up information on a piracy site (F95) to figure out what is the latest uncensored version of this game and where I can download it. Gog has old version, Itch has old version, and Patreon has censored version... and I wouldn't know any of this if I didn't access a pirate site to look up information.
It is going to be a new game, I believe. They'll be laying the groundwork for new systems that are easier to develop for so they avoid any slowdown.