Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.09] [Vénus Noire]

[| Vee |]

I didn't know you masturbate with your ventricals.
Plenty of games with demons out there.

If you've read and understand my reply than you wouldn't reply. Anyway, won't be continuing this conversation. If you've better topic to discuss will gladly do it.

 

[Fyo]

Just a note that people complaining are more likely to post than people just enjoying the game or who don't care. So the comments here are not necessarily representative of how most people feel.

 

[OmniCatastrophe]

Go take a look over at Ravager's Discord & development cycle.

They push out regular monthly updates that are minor (adding actual Voice Acting to scenes or more artwork to older scenes) and larger content/story updates less frequently.

But they have a whole-ass development team setup, and it is clear that resources are not being wasted.
The game is on track to being fully voice-acted (main & side-quests) and completely fleshed out (side-quests have actual lore and deepen the characters you may meet during the main story).

I don't know when they originally started the project, but at least it is clear it will be finished eventually.

I wouldn't claim Ravager is a good piece of work... All the scenes more or less less the same scenes but drawn by different artists, or the same scene with a different girl or two. Art style is constantly changing between different scenes, which honestly is pretty horrible. If you have multiple artits for the love of good have them draw in the same style. Game doesn't feel coherent, might as well just look at random stuff in e-hentai. One minute I'm fapping to a banana taped to a wall, another I'm fapping to a 4-year old's crayon drawings, then I'm fapping to a 15-year old's edgy drawings, and so on.

Legit, this game maybe has 10 distinct scenes (being generous there) across 500ish cgs, with idk how many different women. That's awful for such a "development team".

 

[Jaceo013]

I don't know how hard this would be to code in but I feel at some point the AndrasxAlexia events need to be repeatable to drive home the corruption aspect. Like whenever Rowan is going out to explore there should be a short scene of Alexia getting fucked similar to how some job events are repeatable.

For sure, that's a good idea. Just change a couple lines to indicate that they are separate occasions from the initial events. And the more they repeat, the more the corruption rises in Alexia and could potentially lead to Andras getting Alexia pregnant.

 

[Rivina]

Sooooo... About the game taking a long time. Squadron 42, that is the singleplayer version of Star Citizen looks like it has a very real chance of being fnished next year. SC itself may take a little more time to complete but not as much as previously belived if they actually do have server meshing working as they claim.

So what? Make of it what you will, taking hope in that with dedicated devs even games with huge amount of mission creep can be finished and be awesome or shitposting about "lol Star Citizen will be finished sooner than Seeds of Chaos" are equally valid.

 

[MilesKiyaAnny]

bored af. let see what new.....this time i guess i should try immoral romance...

 

[moonhowler1972]

Anybody who thinks they can do better is free to start their own projects.

Seriously. Since apparently it's that easy.

Aaaand this is how devs lose respect. Do I think I could do better? No, because it's not my field. Did I use to be a paying subscriber? Yes, I did. Did I cancel my subscription because this game went from top of my list to 'meh' levels as it degenerated into coming across as being stuck in a development swamp and struggling to get out of it? Yes, I did that too. Crack the shits all you want, but that will only exacerbate issues, not fix them. Seeds Of Chaos looks to be sinking into the same morass that Kingdom Of Deception has been putrefying in for a while. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Nym85]

I agree there that if one loves what one is doing then there is nothing more important that one could wish from their job.

Though...have you ever before done a several decades long project? People have a hard time promising/imagining where they are going to be in just a year from now on when changes in their life often happen suddenly and hardly always for the better. Never mind a decade from now on or later.

I personally wish you the best luck possible in completing this project to a most satisfactory outcome both for you and everyone who follows it. Alas given how very few (probably none yet?) fan games were steadily continued for two decades or longer to their eventual completion it makes people a bit sceptical whether it will be ever completed unless the following acts/chapters are like 30% the size of the 1st one at most.

I mean I can tell you who exactly is the problem with the game. Alexia. Alexia is just a porn delivery subplot that doesn't advance the story in any significant way. Goblins, Fey, the many inhabitants of the castle all help advance the plot by setting up significant hooks for the future and letting Rowan have a chance against the Twins or letting him do a better job helping them.

Problem is, half the patreons are probably just here to watch the redhead get stuffed with big cocks. And hey, it's not my thing but it is clearly popular. It could also have been an entirely separate game. maybe there will be a pay off with Alexia betraying Rowan at the end of Act 2 when he tries to make his play against the Twins. But I am not sure it's worth how much dev time she needs.

 

[dkatryl]

For sure, that's a good idea. Just change a couple lines to indicate that they are separate occasions from the initial events. And the more they repeat, the more the corruption rises in Alexia and could potentially lead to Andras getting Alexia pregnant.

I think that has been my biggest issue with the game and trying to spread out development to hit so many varied kinks.

Great if you like all of the kinks, but leads to feeling a bit thin if you only care about a smaller subset of them.

So incorporating 'repeat' events would definitely give more bang for the buck, especially if you can then leverage in the stat checks to trigger different versions, so that, for example, as Rowan/Alexia get more corrupted, they would trigger progressively more in each event.

Oh well, food for thought from a dirty pirate.

 

[Filipis]

I think that has been my biggest issue with the game and trying to spread out development to hit so many varied kinks.

Great if you like all of the kinks, but leads to feeling a bit thin if you only care about a smaller subset of them.

So incorporating 'repeat' events would definitely give more bang for the buck, especially if you can then leverage in the stat checks to trigger different versions, so that, for example, as Rowan/Alexia get more corrupted, they would trigger progressively more in each event.

Oh well, food for thought from a dirty pirate.

This.
"If you try to please everyone, you end up pleasing noone."

Every game needs focus. Stick to some fetishes you consider worth your time & effort. Yeah, you will lose out on potential customers that would've supported your project for those particular fetishes - but your development pipeline is now streamlined and on track. You don't have to concern yourself with 50 variables, but maybe only 20. Feature creep is a real bad thing for a good reason. Even if the developer sticks to their guns and has no problem working on so many different things for so long, you lose customer's trust.
What a Legend has phenomenal hand drawn art style, but the 1-update-a-year cadence is visibly killing interest in the game.

Nobody cares if your game is perfect when it comes out... If it comes out a decade later than expected.

I was seriously considering buying the game on Steam during the Autumn Sale, because I recognize the effort that went into the game (and I am one of those Alexia stans), with the artwork being sublime. I eventually gave up on the idea when I checked the development cycle... Where 3 games were promised to tell the whole story, but 3 years later and not even part 1 is finished. I can't in good conscience support that financially.

The game is excellent because I am new here. I'm sure my opinion would be much more sour if I were here from the start.

 

[Joshy92]

My favourite scene so far is when that bull dude is fucking Alexia and Rowan can watch and jack off
I would do the same in his position
Alexia is so awesome

Also I think everyone should give the dev a break
It can't be easy making a game especially one with so many branches & plots like this one

 

[Brother Lui]

My 2 cents would be :

1-Complains show interest which for any project is good.
2-You love to call this site pirates and if I remember correct you were very hating the fact that the game landed here but many of us we see a game and if we like it or like how the developers treat their customers we either buy it on Steam etc or support on Patreon etc. So in reality you are hating advertising which I know could be a hard bitch but never the less even Bad Advertisement is still Advertisement.
3-Time is a rare element in human's life, when you want it you can never have enough of it.
4-Fame, any person who spends time trying to accomplish something gains Fame bad or good. People like Swen Vincke and the rest in Larian Studios with Baldur's Gate 3 earned the fame that they can move mountains in what is called game industry, others like Bethesda earned the fame that no game will be delivered without bugs, people who like to deliver finished products gain this fame and so goes on for everyone else . So in the end it is what everyone wants and that he gets.
5-Profit is compared not only with what I gain but a summary of many things. What kind of Fame I gathered around my name, what I will be able to do next with what time is left and of course how much money I earned with 1 project running. But also there is a calculation did I earned good fame which would benefit me? How much time have I spent and if I have delivered 8 completed games in this time frame what would have I gained.

So many considerations for a person who consider him self a developer and whatever any of the others would never matter but what you will say with your self is what matters most and as you said above everything goes as you wished for.

So never mind me I am old and sure I can't even try to fix my life and sure I won't try to fix others life. Your ally is your self in a time limit. Hope all the best for your dreams.

 

[Akkarin69]

Also I think everyone should give the dev a break
It can't be easy making a game especially one with so many branches & plots like this one

But at the end of the day, overestimation is a problem in itself. Especially for a small team or a solo developer. Noone forces you to add all kind of different branches, paths and characters in a single game. Better focus on just a few and once you're done, you can always make a second game with all the other characters and options to explore if you still want to.

This is actually a problem that occurs with many developers and games here: Instead of focusing on 2 or 3 characters they add more and more girls until they either burn out and give up or deliver a game with way too few scenes per character and no depth in the development of those characters. Or you're stuck with a development cycle of way too many months per update, since they need to take care of all the possible paths and variations.

 

[Doublefrost]

So many trolls. I just wanted to see if someone posted the changelog.

 

[Ciel892]

Holy shit same

 

[SaddamHussein]

I don't have to prove anything to you people. End of the day, I'm doing what I enjoy, for people who enjoy what I'm doing, and I'm getting paid for it. What more is there to want from life?

We're wrapping up the last elements of act 1. Is there a degree of scope creep present? Obviously. Was research done whether it would be better to cut certain storylines and wrap up act 1 faster or realize the original vision? Yes there was! Were you made aware of it? No, because no sane person involves pirates in their business decision making process.

Wait wait hold on so all 7 years of this game and you guys "wrapping up the last elements of act1" ??? now my brother in christ you have no right to talk shit to people who "complain" here they are right to complain in 9 years CDproject red make cyberpunk fixed the bugs and made a whole as dlc to their game and GTA 6 is coming.

 

[Rein]

You people seriously have to stop comparing us to AAA developers.

You can shittalk us by comparing us to Aura-dev. That guy's fucking amazing, mad respect for him.

But you know, let's play a game. Imagine you get your hands on SoC right now, and you get full control over development. What's your next move? What storylines get axed, and which are finished, as you move the plot to act 2?

 

[perles75]

my god, people are boring... always the same old complaint that the devs have answered over and over... what's the point of repeating it all the time. Just go play another game for a while if it's such a suffering for you.

 

[perles75]

Wait wait hold on so all 7 years of this game and you guys "wrapping up the last elements of act1" ??? now my brother in christ you have no right to talk shit to people who "complain" here they are right to complain in 9 years CDproject red make cyberpunk fixed the bugs and made a whole as dlc to their game and GTA 6 is coming.

yeah, because that's exactly the same budget and scope

 

[EvolutionKills]

Wait wait hold on so all 7 years of this game and you guys "wrapping up the last elements of act1" ??? now my brother in christ you have no right to talk shit to people who "complain" here they are right to complain in 9 years CDproject red make cyberpunk fixed the bugs and made a whole as dlc to their game and GTA 6 is coming.

Have you checked the game recently? It's a 7 year old project with 7 years worth of content. Sure, the game isn't complete, but there is still a metric fuck ton of scenes in the game currently. The last version I downloaded (0.4.01) had 230 scenes in the gallery, not counting variations (high/mid/low corruption or love). That's an average of 32.8 scene per year. Plus, this is hands-down one of the most imaginative and well written VN's on this site. Easily up there with Now & Then, Pale Carnations, The Last Sovereign, and Crimson High.

I mean, compare this to Milfy City, which went dark for a few years before popping back up as 'finished'. Or how about The Adventurous Couple or TwoSides, both of which have been rebooted/restarted multiple times now. A House in the Rift? Still walking around that same house trapped in the same ether 4 years later (currently has 84 scenes in the gallery). Summertime Saga is also from 2016, and still not complete either (which has 149 scenes according to the wiki, but that includes duplicates with the 4-some scene). The Last Sovereign, the other high quality dark fantasy RPG? Still going strong since 2016 with regular updates, just like Seeds of Chaos.

This isn't a AAA game with a thousand person staff and a budget in the hundreds of millions, so cool your jets comparing it to CD Projekt RED or Rockstar. If you're gonna compare it to other games, at least use an apples to apples comparison, and not apples to pine cones.

The dev isn't just sitting on their ass doing nothing. There are regular updates with new quality content. Do I hope the game gets finished eventually? Of course. But I think that having solid output for 7 years is a mark in favor of the dev, not against them. Given how frequently games get abandoned, and even 'finished' games frequently sufferer from bad rushed endings? I'm content to see this play out at their pace; so long as they are keeping pace, which they demonstrably have been.