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More or less. The part about avoiding him is correct.

I'm pretty sure its just one fight with Andras to avoid NTR on Alexis side though -I thought the other confrontation was one was to avoid Rowan getting fucked himself.

Rowan can actually beat that DC check in the Andras_Is_Stressed event with an 11 roll and then he only sorta beats you up since he is forced to use magic to win. Basically you need to invest 4 or 5 of your initial stat points in the combat skill and then get lucky with your d8 combat roll. You get a very intriguing $ Hidden Stat Point called Andras_Fighting_Weakness if you beat the check- and 100 exp ;-)
 
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More or less. Though I I'm pretty sure its just one fight with Andras to avoid NTR on Alexis side, the I thought- the onther one was to avoid getting fucked himself I thought. Rowan can actually beat that DC check with an 11 and then he only sorta beat you up since he is forced to use magic to win. Basically you need to invest 4 or 5 of your initial stat points in the combat skill and then get lucky with your d8 combat roll. You get a very intriguing $ Hidden Stat Point called Andras_Fighting Weakness if you beat the check- and 100 exp ;-)
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More or less. Though I I'm pretty sure its just one fight with Andras to avoid NTR on Alexis side -I thought the other confrontation was one was to avoid Rowan getting fucked himself. Rowan can actually beat that DC check with an 11 roll and then he only sorta beat you up since he is forced to use magic to win. Basically you need to invest 4 or 5 of your initial stat points in the combat skill and then get lucky with your d8 combat roll. You get a very intriguing $ Hidden Stat Point called Andras_Fighting Weakness if you beat the check- and 100 exp ;-)
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can we have the change log for the first page? Was waiting to see if it would be updated. helps me now having to redownload the game if its something I'm not intrested in.
 

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- Tutorial mine should now trigger at the first mine you visit
- Goblin mine event should not occur until after you have met Cla-min
 
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Even stretching the definition to its very limits, is a bit of an understatement.

Pretty sure most big games have Patreon review their stuff before they post it though- so Patreon is willing to stretch the definition / turn a blind eye a little as well for those bucks.

I was actually fuckin' gobsmacked by how long Ravager lasted on Patreon before it got dunked. That game is basically non-con simulator.

Rein over here acting as the Jean-Luc Picard of Soc. "Make it so."
 

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Luckily patreon seems to draw a line between mind control and rape. I'm not sure what the logic there is but it is there. Regardless it is working towards our benefit so I'm not going to complain.
 

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Zhukov was high utility, high danger defined. The state desperately needed a competent commander in charge and Zhukov is an all time great general. But, he was popular, the only figure in the Soviet Union with a prayer of overthrowing Stalin, and real motives for doing so.
I dunno how you've fallen from discussing gamedev to this but the only thing zhukov was really great is coolstorytelling. Casanova, Sargon, Ben Franklin and creators of holy bible are pure and honest pussies in comparison.
 

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The point is largely irrelevant. A general who appears to have utility is similair to one who actually has utility insofar as the problem is concerned.
 
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Hope we get way more of Cla-Min in the future gotta love a Goblin shortstack!
Cla-min fans, ya love to see em ;-P.

I'm looking forward to it as well - my guess is we will get her NPC finale in the next release (Jan)- and the art for the finale in the following one.

There should also be new short-stack art this release since a double goblin-gal x Rowan BJ scene was one of the CG poll winners the other day.
 
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Zhukov at the beginning of war with no experience
U kinda speak about dude whose one an only business from his 19 was war. Infinite war practice from 1915 to 1939 and later on different officer positions.



Stalin killed majority of professional commanders during purges 1930th
joseph was definitely a butcher, but that doesn't mean that everyone he killed were pros and overall good ppl.

2) To understand someones value you have to compare.
The people he had to deal with was greatest military minds of that time. German generals just conquered all Europe and had not just talent but also experience.
so true. but you should compare accurately to not fool yourself.
german army had almost zero practice between world wars (spanish civil war, small numbers and unofficially) unlike soviets

But if russians had truly poor generals they would end up like those englishman at Dunkirk.
Dunkirk was fail but nothing compared to destroyed soviet armies in summer 41 or abandoned and sentenced to starving Leningrad.
 
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Yeah the only reason I brought up Zhukov was to compare Stalin's dilemma when it came to Zhukov to Rowan's role in the castle. We don't actually need an in-depth analysis of Zhukov's merits or demerits as a general insofar as it doesn't pertain to Seeds of Chaos.

We have a history talk channel in the "open to everyone" segment of our discord channel. It might be a better place for it.
 

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Ironically I would argue that if "the problem of generals" was the main reason for why the Twins treat Rowan the way they do, then they should honestly just be straight up nicer to a "good Rowan" that isn't actively trying to saboutage their major goals.

Think of it like this, no matter how high Rowan's utility might be, he should never be popular enough to incite a coup centered around his figure as long as the core of the Twins' corps remain "forces of chaos". If Rowan is trying to prevent looting and ravaging and pillaging at every turn then the orcs and demons will never get behind him against the Twins. If anything this would be the best case scenario for the Twins because they get to reap all the benefits of Rowan's sound administration while mocking Rowan's "orderly values" and placing the responsability on him for any decisions that are unpopular with the chaos races.

In this scenario, it makes perfect sense for the Twins to act antagonistic to Rowan in public, but behind the scenes they should definitely be trying to be more amiable to him and treating him well for his good job, instead of constantly harassing him for his values and trying to "break" him, because if they do that then they either fail and push him to a breaking point where he rebels against them, or they suceed and he becomes corrupted and then he has a real chance of becoming popular with the chaos forces and pose a threat to overthrow them, it is a lose-lose situation.

Maybe something to consider for chapter 2 anyway, a path where Rowan has demonstrated his loyalty to the Twins but isn't really keen on the whole "become an evil piece of shit and revel on the pain and suffering of others" that the Twins keep trying to force on him.
 
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