Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.10] [Vénus Noire]

[Valloth]

We post both Patreon version and Public version changelogs on our site and our TF games page.

1. Idc what anyone says, P5 was Game of the Year!
2. You're right. I must have missed quite a few scenes, that's my mistake. I think tentacles would only be technically NTR if it was consensual? Even then it's a pretty grey area. Either way it doesn't matter much since your story, gameplay, and art are absolutely solid. A true rarity these days. One of the few games that is worth backing in my opinion. I encourage anyone who can to do so.

 

[R0R3]

Also you never ever have to see NTR content, there's a pop-up early in the game where you can disable it entirely. Some scenes are apparently still arguable by some people, but it always involves everyone having fun and Rowan can basically end any interaction at any time by resolutely saying no. Though that sometimes pisses off other characters. xD

 

[RottenPlum]

I couldn't find anything when i was searching thread, but the option to train helayna is greyed out for me. Is this some kind of bug or do i have to progress more with the story to unlock this?

 

[DiabloCadet]

The game started VERY promising, but today I can only recommend "stay clear from this" unless you are sold on its more eccentric fetishes.



Generally yes, but you still have to accept e.g. a threesome with your wife and a "futa" dude. Maybe that is technically not NTR by definition, but still humiliating and disgusting for straight players.

Also if you follow the game development for a while, the changelog is always something like this

six new scenes:
- 2x NTR
- 2x Gay
- 1x Futa
- plus maybe one straight scene, or something where you can let the minotaur fuck your wife because hey, why not

So if you don't want to see anything except dominant hetero male MC, the game has only very very little content.

Also the actual RPG / Strategy game has not really made any progress. The existing content besides the 100% linear VN elements is something that a team of professional game devs would have made in 1-2 days. Most buttons in the interface don't even do anything except showing a placeholder text.

THNX! Don't think ill like this game then.

To an extent the bedslave route will feature some of Hel being a badass, and the Knight route will include some sexual subservience to Rowan. The primary question is what is being pronounced.



I think that you are missing a few key points about this game. We have insisted the entire time that the game will feature fetishes not everyone is a fan of, and to adjust for this we allow every scenes some kind of way to escape it. If you do not like a kink, you do not have to play that kink. No one is putting a gun to your head and telling you to select the gay option.

If you're complaining about the content in the game. Let's do some math here.

There is at present a whopping 85 scenes listed in the Scene List. Of those:

10 are M/F or Tentacle/F NTR.
4 are F/F NTR.
11 are M/M
2 are Futa
This makes a total of 27.

17 are voyeuristic scenes depicting two non-associated characters having sex. Almost all of these are M/F.

Moving on to Rowan:

Rowan takes part in 41 scenes that do not feature MM or Futa.
Of them, 1 is an MFM threesome.
I cannot rate them exactly in terms of dominance, but this is my eyeball read.
In a whopping 32 of those scenes, Rowan is either an equal partner or dominant.
In 8 of those scenes, Rowan is a submisive partner to a woman.

What this shows is a pretty well spread out amount of content, that offers a variety of options for most people who play the game. Especially if more then one of the categories is of interest to them.

Our previous release was especially Rowan centric. 4 different scenes of Rowan engaging in M/f, some with clear Maledom elements. 1 M/M vouyeur scene. 1 Female masturbation scene. And 1 F/F NTR scene.

Our upcoming release will lean a bit more heavily on NTR. It is planned but not certain to feature 1 F/F scene, 3 M/F NTR Scenes, 1 Futa scene of some variety, and 3 M/F scenes featuring Rowan.

In conclusion on that front. The statements made by detractors of the game that it does not feature content for straight players, or even for Rowan Dominant straight players is false. We purposefully balance the content we produce and the numbers bear this out. Paired with the power to avoid content and the higher script writing quality and detail, this game contains far more straight and male dom content then even most of our competitors.

Regarding the mechanics of the game. We are aware that they need work, and improving them is a major source of discussion for the staff. A major overhaul of the game systems are planned, but do not expect their implementation for some time.

Very good points!
But here's my problem with that. U have a lot of sub tags that appeal to a very niche audience, such as NTR.
U need to understand that many ppl will avoid a game just if they see the ntr tag. It is a very (as i said before) niche category so generally most niche games are popular because the attract a certain audiance that strongly stands behind the game.
If you have to many niche tags that attracts many ppl who are only playing for that one aspect then ur bound to get a toxic comment base filled with ppl who disagree on how they want the game to progress and trying to please them all could prove self destructive. I don't know tho that's just my thoughts.
While its not for me, I wish u the best of luck on this game!

 

[Semantics]

I'm looking to give the new update a go. I just wanted to make sure... Towards the end of my play last time Hylena escaped from Rowans room. The new stuff that im reading about with retraining hylena comes after that? Or do i have to load a previous save and somehow prevent her from escaping?

Pretty certain the training stuff only happens if she doesn't escape. She'll only escape depending on how you handle the scene where she brings it up to you in your bedroom. Can't remember the choices involved, but basically let her talk without trying to distract her but make her feel loved after she's finished.

Generally yes, but you still have to accept e.g. a threesome with your wife and a "futa" dude. Maybe that is technically not NTR by definition, but still humiliating and disgusting for straight players.

If you're talking about the scene with the Succubus leader (The only futa I recall in game thus far), that's absolutely avoidable, every scene with her is. Maybe there's one such scene I've missed that's absolutely not avoidable, but I can't think of any scene - including threesomes with Alexia, Rowan, and a third party - that aren't avoidable.

I couldn't find anything when i was searching thread, but the option to train helayna is greyed out for me. Is this some kind of bug or do i have to progress more with the story to unlock this?

I don't think the training stuff is anywhere near done. I think there's only be one scene on bedslave route, and no scenes on knight route yet.

To an extent the bedslave route will feature some of Hel being a badass, and the Knight route will include some sexual subservience to Rowan. The primary question is what is being pronounced.

Whoo. That's exactly what I was hoping for, thank you for the response!

 

[LordofEntropy]

I couldn't find anything when i was searching thread, but the option to train helayna is greyed out for me. Is this some kind of bug or do i have to progress more with the story to unlock this?

You have to progress the story some. I believe at some point if you go into the throne room (pretty sure that's where I went and triggered it) a conversation starts with Jezera. It's another conversation like an earlier one where Jezera talks about how Helayna wants to be submissive or whatever, after that the option to "Train Helayna" comes up and you can select bed slave or knight route.

 

[Damonalgren]

You've been a member here almost as long as I have...

If you look to the top right of the window, at the top of the page, it even says "Search..." in the search box.

hmm I don't get it mate , top right bar only gives you games not saves how do u search for specifics saves that is what I want to know

 

[Ano85]

I just hope gay scenes get a LOT of rebalancing dominance wise. I thought at least Greyhide would be an equal partner, letting you choose. The game really needs all the top Rowan we can get (Draith doesn't count; women>feminine,twink men).

(also more male monsters)

(.....please)

(...aaaaa...)

 

[LordofEntropy]

hmm I don't get it mate , top right bar only gives you games not saves how do u search for specifics saves that is what I want to know

Here's my snarky search gif from several months ago. I don't have a less snarky one otherwise I would use it since you actually seem like you've at least looked at the search bar. It still shows how to search a thread for something like "saves" or whatever.

 

[JJDLT2]

Quick question: How can I erase the old save files?

 

[Semantics]

Quick question: How can I erase the old save files?

C:\Users\[YourPCUserNameHere]\AppData\Roaming\RenPy

Then the Seeds of Chaos folder at that location, contains all the saves. Also contains a "persistent" file that probably has preference settings that you can just leave alone.

 

[Hekzow]

If you're complaining about the content in the game. Let's do some math here.

I think the reason it feels like the NTR and submissive male game is because most of Rowan's sraight conquests are with one-off characters you meet during random map events that you may or may not get, while Alexia scenes and gay scenes are fairly easy linear choices. To get the orc camp scenes you need to have high enough sneak for the slave girl and high enough strength/agility for the orc girl. Dryad, Arzyl, Alanthe, Sheena, Orc Girl, Emma, Delane, Tarish are all particularly difficult to get. When I tried to get the vanilla Delane scene (which involved essentially playing through the whole of orciad), I made the choice only to have a skillcheck fail, have Delane get pierced with an arrow and die. And now instead of porn I'm picking out gravestone carvings. In the new update I checked the whole map and couldn't find the village with two girls, it's like the bottom part of the map was gone.

While I do enjoy the parts of the game with Liurial and Helayna in both of these routes Alexia inevitably comes in and understandably gets angry at Rowan over it. Rowan never gets a similar scene even if it's perfectly justified. It's even funnier since the recent scene in the latest update flat out has lazy workers gossiping about Andras fucking Alexia and calling Rowan a spineless bitch, even if that never happened.

The game has a male protaganist and a female protaganist, and in any given run the player is put into the perspective of both.

And that's sort of the problem, since one of two main characters essentially has all NTR content. After the prologue she has a whopping two straight scenes with Rowan, one futa on male scene/threesome, three threesomes, two of which require NTR and a third one which you can walk in by complete accident. At this point both Liurial and Helayna have more vanilla content with Rowan than his wife. Alexia currently has more regular m/f scenes with Andras than with her husband.

Every other Alexia scene is full-on NTR. 11 of them.
So, 4 vanilla scenes (with prologue), four threesomes in some sort of a grey area and 11 scenes of Alexia with other people.

Fun part about the Liurial threesome scene: I chose to push Liurial away and not sleep with her, the threesome scene still appeared, Rowan acted like he slept with her and saying he didn't added 2 guilt points.
If you choose to throw Alexia in a dungeon for four weeks playing non-NTR, she disappears from the room but appears in week end events (i.e. "poisoned")

Overall I believe it's not about the majority of content being NTR, but the majority of Alexia content being NTR.

 

[Tydeusv]

Fun part about the Liurial threesome scene: I chose to push Liurial away and not sleep with her, the threesome scene still appeared, Rowan acted like he slept with her and saying he didn't added 2 guilt points.
If you choose to throw Alexia in a dungeon for four weeks playing non-NTR, she disappears from the room but appears in week end events (i.e. "poisoned").

It is a game with over a hundred events and a similar number of variables being programmed by one guy who is not a professional, there is bound to be a couple of bugs in a beta.

 

[T51bwinterized]

I think the reason it feels like the NTR and submissive male game is because most of Rowan's sraight conquests are with one-off characters you meet during random map events that you may or may not get, while Alexia scenes and gay scenes are fairly easy linear choices. To get the orc camp scenes you need to have high enough sneak for the slave girl and high enough strength/agility for the orc girl. Dryad, Arzyl, Alanthe, Sheena, Orc Girl, Emma, Delane, Tarish are all particularly difficult to get. When I tried to get the vanilla Delane scene (which involved essentially playing through the whole of orciad), I made the choice only to have a skillcheck fail, have Delane get pierced with an arrow and die. And now instead of porn I'm picking out gravestone carvings. In the new update I checked the whole map and couldn't find the village with two girls, it's like the bottom part of the map was gone.

While I do enjoy the parts of the game with Liurial and Helayna in both of these routes Alexia inevitably comes in and understandably gets angry at Rowan over it. Rowan never gets a similar scene even if it's perfectly justified. It's even funnier since the recent scene in the latest update flat out has lazy workers gossiping about Andras fucking Alexia and calling Rowan a spineless bitch, even if that never happened.


And that's sort of the problem, since one of two main characters essentially has all NTR content. After the prologue she has a whopping two straight scenes with Rowan, one futa on male scene/threesome, three threesomes, two of which require NTR and a third one which you can walk in by complete accident. At this point both Liurial and Helayna have more vanilla content with Rowan than his wife. Alexia currently has more regular m/f scenes with Andras than with her husband.

Every other Alexia scene is full-on NTR. 11 of them.
So, 4 vanilla scenes (with prologue), four threesomes in some sort of a grey area and 11 scenes of Alexia with other people.

Fun part about the Liurial threesome scene: I chose to push Liurial away and not sleep with her, the threesome scene still appeared, Rowan acted like he slept with her and saying he didn't added 2 guilt points.
If you choose to throw Alexia in a dungeon for four weeks playing non-NTR, she disappears from the room but appears in week end events (i.e. "poisoned")

Overall I believe it's not about the majority of content being NTR, but the majority of Alexia content being NTR.

It is a game with over a hundred events and a similar number of variables being programmed by one guy who is not a professional, there is bound to be a couple of bugs in a beta.

There was a lot to your message and I can't easily reply to all of it now. It was by no means bad feedback. What I will say is that the Liurial threesome is only designed to trigger if you've fucked Liurial. If it's triggering anyway, I consider that a bug.

 

[Eoin]

Oi, lads (@alicerabbit01 & @T51bwinterized ). Cut the childish fighting. Ye're supposed to be adults, so start acting like it.

 

[RottenPlum]

How exactly do you trigger threesome with alexia and elf? I chose to tell the truth, and selected all 3 option, there was nothing, apart that alexia got mad when telling her you can share her. I know this scene is tied to high corruption, but somehow typing the corruption cheat in console for alexia is not working for me. Also scene guide is mentioning she has to be unfaithful, which she was as NTR is turned on, so she fucked andras and jez.

 

[Hekzow]

How exactly do you trigger threesome with alexia and elf? I chose to tell the truth, and selected all 3 option, there was nothing, apart that alexia got mad when telling her you can share her. I know this scene is tied to high corruption, but somehow typing the corruption cheat in console for alexia is not working for me. Also scene guide is mentioning she has to be unfaithful, which she was as NTR is turned on, so she fucked andras and jez.

You need to have fucked Luirial and have corruption over 60 I believe, which is a lot. You also need to choose the right dialogue, the "use her too" line will only lead to a threesome if corruption is around 100.

It might be an issue with the cheat, just rerun the mr garforth scene a couple times to get corruption.

 

[RottenPlum]

You need to have fucked Luirial and have corruption over 60 I believe, which is a lot. You also need to choose the right dialogue, the "use her too" line will only lead to a threesome if corruption is around 100.

It might be an issue with the cheat, just rerun the mr garforth scene a couple times to get corruption.

Thanks for quick answer. Do you know hotkey to back the scene since there is no option in the game?

 

[Hekzow]

Thanks for quick answer. Do you know hotkey to back the scene since there is no option in the game?

I just manually select the scene from the scene list. You do need dev mode for that though.

 

[RottenPlum]

I just manually select the scene from the scene list. You do need dev mode for that though.

Thing is cheat doesn't work at all, i get this when i type cheat: File ''<string>'', line 1: expected statement.
all_actors[''alexia''].corruption = 100
I think i typed cheat correctly, tried even previous save when i'm on the map, and it doesn't work.