Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.10] [Vénus Noire]
So is there a way to get an 'ultimate version'. I'd love to play this looks right up my alley but bummed that some scenes were pulled because of Patreon rules. Are those scenes available in a patch? Does the Subscribestar version have the material pulled from the Patreon build? Or maybe I can play the version prior to the Patreon changes (which were just a few months ago if I'm not mistaken) and then grab the latest build and continue. Not too concerned about a gallery and whatnot would just like to play the most complete version scene and story wise and wondering what's the best way to do that.
Gicoo
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Harry Potter is very flawed and all, but it was completed in a reasonable timeframe. One year for the first four books, then 3 years for the largest one and two years for the final ones.
Book 1 97
Book 2 98
Book 3 99
Book 4 00
Book 5 03 (Pregnancy and Warner Bros)
Book 6 05
Book 7 07
Imagine Rowling pulling a Martin and simply not finishing SoIaF. We'd be a book 5 and waiting decades for book 6 and 7, which aren't worked on anymore and at best will be adopted by other writers once Martin dies.
Obviously you can't equalize books written by a single author with videogames done by a few people, but its very clear that SoC development is flawed. 9 Years and we are still finishing up part 1 of 3, with no indication what could happen in the next parts.
It's most likely gonna be doomed to end rushed when the dev realizes they've worked on this game for over a quarter of their real world life on top of having made enough money to not feel forced to finish it.
The devs clearly aren't interested in the things you and me are interested in by how the game is looking now. 9 years into development and I doubt anyone still playing this game gives a fuck about any of the content we'd be into.
The biggest crimes the devs are guilty of is including names like The witcher, Dark souls and Berserk as their inspirations. As of 2025 it's still just a grimdark NTR slave game with no indication of a satisfying playthrough for us that aren't into the slave sub cuck experience.
And that is a sad part honestly, this game had chance for proper Rowan's corruption but both demon siblings are lost cause in some way or another which allowed Rowan to fight back. That's a good thing too in its own right but Rowan himself will counter in later arc which will become a different game altogether.
Personally, feminization of Rowan would have been great for me, but if that is not on the cards because of weak siblings then I would prefer total dom path for him but that too will take another decade before coming into light because Andras NTR took way too much space that it should have.
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PhoenixRage23
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Not what I asked, but thanks for that. I guess I was expecting too much to get a decent answer.
JoeSte91
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No, I'm saying just because A Song of Ice and Fire is well-written doesn't mean readers can't complain about it taking 14+ years for The Winds of Winter.
I'm also saying that this is a subjective standard. For you, hitting basic English creative writing skills is the competency level within visual novels that deems them 'not bad'. You might as well be saying that it objectively jumped this bar, when you're the one that set that bar low enough for it to cross.
It's nothing to do with sophistication though. It's better than a lot of games, but people who say 'well, it's better than most games so that's good enough for me' are still being affected by bias. The games they've played that have let them down has effected them to the degree that they'll now accept something that does the basics as being 'not bad'. Other people haven't had that experience, but you're unfairly labelling the latter as subjective and the former as unbiased.
0.4.10
- Release Notes: EVENTS
- One new Zii-Zii Blackholt path event (with two sex scenes)
- One new Che-Lin Blackholt path event (with one sex scene)
- One new Jezera NTR arc event (with one sex scene)
- One new Jezera Favour Event (with one sex scene)
- One new cucking Helayna room event (with one new sex scene, and two repeat variants)
- A new branch has been added to the scene where Rowan meets Alexia before the battle of Astarte if she has abandoned the Andras NTR path (with two new sex scenes)
- Sixteen new CGs (with fifty-six variants)
- Save files can now be renamed
- Work shop building prerequisites bug fix
- Prisoner icon added
- End of week reports screen adjusted
- Added research thumbnails, research details and implementations
- Raeve keep - restricted access on top part of the keep
- Chaos incursion quest icons placements
- Chaos incursion elf smuggling repositioned
- Tutorial screens added for all major mechanics
JoeSte91
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Multiple ending tags doesn't really apply, yet. The differences between patreon and non-patreon versions is that there's censored and uncensored versions because some non-human scenes had to be removed for patreon.
Is the censorship between Patreon/non Patreon just the removal of bestiality scene or something else?
JoeSte91
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Yes, I believe it's just bestiality scenes that use non-human genitalia that have been removed.
aren't y'all tired of complaining about all the same issues every time?? I am not saying one shouldn't complain, but I've read the EXACT same rants 10,000 times at this point: yes, the game is taking ages; yes it's just the first act; yes they made quite a mess in development during the first years; yes, the MC is relatively powerless and humiliated, especially at the beginning; yes, they removed quite a lot stuff (not willingly); and I'm not even discussing personal preferences not fitting the game tags. Etc etc.
After a while, just accept it and move on.
After a while, just accept it and move on.
Hi! I haven't played the game for a long time. Is there any Gallery Unlocker for the latest version?
JoeSte91
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I don't complain about it that often because it is what it is at this point. For the most part I just go focus on other games while I wait.
But other posters acting like it shouldn't be complained about, or that people should just shut up about the development issues is what I'm debating against. These are reasonable concerns so it's not surprising that it comes up often. You can look at the steam reviews. Recent reviews have been mixed compared to the overall which was positive. But even the positive reviews comment about the development time and whether the game will ever actually be completed. So it's not surprising that these are reoccurring issues.
Honestly I feel like they should just minimize the branching and start pushing for maybe 4 or 5 completed paths. Maybe Hire more writers and coders, train a custom AI model and then use some sort of sketch -> AI -> manual fix pipeline.
Because this is actually taking ages.
Because this is actually taking ages.
dude, that's the point. taking ages and milking all that patreon money. have you checked their patreon page? they get a lot of money from it per month for doing barely anything at a slow enough pace. they will never want this cashcow to end because ppl keep paying them.
EvolutionKills
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So your problem is entirely based on some arbitrary end point for the story. So because SoC hasn't hit this arbitrary end point it is flawed because some other creator in another medium reached their arbitrary endpoint sooner?
The development timeline is quite long, no doubt. But at this point I imagine the problem is the double edged sword that is Patreon. In order to keep their Patrons happy, they probably need to pump out X amount of smut consistently to keep them paying. This would be like racking up a huge pile of credit card debt and then only paying the bare minimum; 5 years later and you're devoting a sizeable chunk of your spendable income just to maintain the debt without even touching the principle in a way that actually diminishes it (e.g. 30 year mortgages are outlawed in most first world nations outside of the US for this very reason). So I can imagine them finding themselves needing to pump out more content, even if that content largely fills things out and eats up most of their time and resources, leaving little at the end of each month to dedicate to pushing things ahead.
Had J.K. Rowling made her living paycheck-to-paycheck off of her Wizarding World work by posting short stories per month, she could have very well also found herself in a position where she was constantly filling in tangents and following up with interesting side characters if doing so is what kept her audience happy and the lights on; progress on the overarching story be damned. So are they 'milking' their Patrons, or are they being backed into a corner by them? I dunno. But given their nearly decade long track record of delivering solid engaging content (again, main overarching story be damned), I am comfortable in saying they aren't scam artists.
Serialized content doesn't need to be your thing, but it's not necessarily a mark against the game or the quality of its current content just because it hasn't reached a (once again) arbitrary self-imposed end point. You're looking at a team slowly treading water successfully and bemoaning that they haven't finished their self imposed race, entirely oblivious to the idea that failing to tread water as a swimmer means you drown.
It also completely misses that the point of the post where you quoted this from; where I was using popular YA literature as an example to lambast someone who was trying to move the goal post and argue the game fell into their subjective definition of 'bad' because being solid or competent wasn't good enough for their taste.