Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.11a Patreon] [Vénus Noire]

[GrubaKielbasa]

I mean Cliohna route is clearly finished for Act 1, Rowan is either her slave or her master lol.Now Act 1 still not being finished after 9 years of development is a completely different problem which basically every AVN eventually faces once patreon cash starts flooding in.unfortunately patreon supporters are dumbest and most pathetic people on earth who are going to either lead dev astray or allow them to milk them like the good little cows they are, you can bet act 2 would be at 40% right now if patreon cuckholds didnt cry for 50+ andras x alexia scenes

My only problem with the patrons is that they support a project manager that clearly isn't capable of managing. If he lets patrons lead him around by the nose it's just more proof of his incompetence. A simple directive, "we're behind schedule and we're prioritizing other things. no more x + y scenes for a while", and the discipline to enforce that directive is all he needs to solve the problem of patrons demanding detours.

 

[GrubaKielbasa]

Theoretically what could these devs do if some asshole ran their entire game through AI and finished it? I bet they couldn't do jack. I just wonder how much of a dent that would make in their patreon?

 

[Angelcrush]

Theoretically what could these devs do if some asshole ran their entire game through AI and finished it? I bet they couldn't do jack. I just wonder how much of a dent that would make in their patreon?

Haha you expect an AI to come up with creative ideas and good writing ? As AI's are now, they are simply incapable of creation. They can only fumble around what they already got fed and rehash it. It's immitation without the understanding of what made the copied thing good in the first place.

 

[Fleep]

Rein the plot and the writing of this game is easily the best in any porn game. It's hot, it's interesting, it's easy to read. I don't think anyone has a problem with that, and I'd say we all love it. I don't find gobbos arousing at all, like physically speaking, but I can't wait to see how you wrap their arc up. So, know that the whole community supports you and we are dying to keep reading the story that you guys write. The discontent, that I too share, is precisely because of how much we like the game that we want to see our favorite arcs moving forward, and for some of those it's been too long. I won't deny I'm disppointed that we are already past half the yearly updates and none of the open plot threads seem to be even close to completion once again. But I will keep coming back after every update to see what you guys are cooking.

 

[GrubaKielbasa]

Haha you expect an AI to come up with creative ideas and good writing ? As AI's are now, they are simply incapable of creation. They can only fumble around what they already got fed and rehash it. It's immitation without the understanding of what made the copied thing good in the first place.

You can run the art through an AI generator, give it directions, and get brand new CGs. You can do the exact same thing with the story. A lot of writers and artists lean heavily on AI to help with projects. I promise you've seen AI art and read AI writing without knowing it.

 

[GrubaKielbasa]

I don't think anyone has a problem with that, and I'd say we all love it

and you'd be wrong

know that the whole community supports you and we are dying to keep reading the story that you guys write.

oh I'm afraid not

I won't deny I'm disppointed that we are already past half the yearly updates and none of the open plot threads seem to be even close to completion once again.

a seed of truth floats in the chaos of the storm. One can only hope it falls in fertile soil.

 

[feralx]

Theoretically what could these devs do if some asshole ran their entire game through AI and finished it? I bet they couldn't do jack. I just wonder how much of a dent that would make in their patreon?

They are quite against AI, specially the artists working on it, sadly is what takes more time, but that is another tale, and AI depends on the user, it quite good for narratives, specially geminy and grok.

 

[Gicoo]

You can run the art through an AI generator, give it directions, and get brand new CGs. You can do the exact same thing with the story. A lot of writers and artists lean heavily on AI to help with projects. I promise you've seen AI art and read AI writing without knowing it.

If AI is that good, it would've already be implemented to that extent for this game If not by the devs, then by fans.

 

[feralx]

If AI is that good, it would've already be implemented to that extent for this game If not by the devs, then by fans.

the thing with it is that ai used should have permision to use the asset used for it, so, for comercial purpouse is not viable, only if the own artrist trained his own checkpoint and plugins and speed a sketch to finish it it could work, but we cant be so demanding, there are already many screens and ai images based on the game made by fans, server of the dev had an area for AI but they erased it too

 

[Gicoo]

here are already many screens and ai images based on the game made by fans

A bit of fanart is hardly a substitute for a whole game. There is a huge difference copying the original and expanding from the original.

Again, if AI is that good, it would've been used already.

 

[feralx]

A bit of fanart is hardly a substitute for a whole game. There is a huge difference copying the original and expanding from the original.

Again, if AI is that good, it would've been used already.

You should have to take a look at it, some ar expanded scenes of greyhide and andras, and maybe they arent showing it all due well, the possible reaction of the devs and people against the AI, and even i have seen mods

 

[Ragnar123456]

how to get greyhide cg they no longer show up the event starts but it just missing cg

 

[Teshay]

Is it just me or the real reason Jezera wanted to forcibly recruit Rowan because she wants to mold him into someone worthy of ruling alongside her?

To recap:

1. When they talk about demon bastards, according to X'zaeratl for a demon lord and a human to have children they must genuinely love each other. She also comments that the previous half-breed she met before the Twins had a sad and lonely ending, as she never found an equal to share her ambition and stay by her side.
2. As Arzyl has proven and taken advantage of, Jezera is quite possessive and jealous that Rowan will be taken from her. In this specific scene, Rowan himself also notes that Jezera had been teasing and denying him up until then, but in her eagerness to humiliate and rub in Arzyl's face that he belongs to her, she decided to abandon her strategy because she basically felt threatened of losing him.
3. In the scene where Jezera teaches him how to dance and etiquette, in a rare moment where he catches her off guard he notices that she seems genuinely happy while they dance, only to revert back to her manipulative and seductive self when she notices him looking at her.
4. In the Rastadel battle scene, if Rowan is submissive to her, Jezera will say that he is the only man worthy of her and being by her side, and during their sex she comments that for a demon lord to have children they need to love each other and tells him in other words to impregnate her. Assuming this wasn't a tease and she was sincere here, it would strongly imply that she was genuinely in love with him.
5. Referring to the same Astarte scene where Rowan is not submissive, if he chooses to "praise" Jezera during their sex he tells her that he hates and loves her for pushing him beyond his limits, which surprises and distracts her enough for him to be able to win their sexual battle. I don't think it was a coincidence that Jezera was defeated essentially because Rowan declared his love for her when she wasn't expecting it.

My point is that while Jezera is certainly an evil seductress, dialogue and events in the plot lead me to believe that she actually desires to have someone to be by her side with whom to share her ambition, which is why I assume that behind all the teasing and manipulation she does with Rowan, at some point she chose him as the one who would be worthy of her, hence why she is so seductive and possessive of him.

In other words, Jezera ultimately, and in a delightfully ironic twist, wants to have a sort of healthy romantic relationship with Rowan.

1.I somewhat disagree. It depends on your choices, but she didn't initially choose you to be her lover or anything. She just knows your value, and you are an easy get because the kingdom does not protect you or watch over you.

2. Jezera sees you as a toy, a possession she wants to play with. She wants to own Rowan, the hero, and corrupt him. It's like a conqueror's fetish, she gets off knowing how much power she has over you.It's been shown time and time again that Jezera is pretty childish. She wants to be the top bitch and doesn't want to give away anything she has. Which is why she killed the dark elf because the elf tried to make them equals. She doesn't humiliate Arzyl because she loves your anything,you are her toy, and she doesn't want you taken from her. Arzyl is a old friend of her but any relationship with her requires you to be lower than her for it to work. She will not accept any equals, there may be a path where you shove that in her face and make her accept you as a equal but I wouldn't take it.

3.Never got that scene, so I'll take your word for it. I have played the 5. scene version. But I can kinda see your point about her, but I also don't really think she sees that in rowan. Only time will tell, but knowing me I'm going to end up killing her brother and enslaving her. Once they gave the choice.

 

[Angelcrush]

She will not accept any equals, there may be a path where you shove that in her face and make her accept you as a equal but I wouldn't take it.

I personally am hoping for such a Route

 

[ggez14]

Haha you expect an AI to come up with creative ideas and good writing ? As AI's are now, they are simply incapable of creation. They can only fumble around what they already got fed and rehash it. It's immitation without the understanding of what made the copied thing good in the first place.

Nah just feed all the art and then do some "Prompt Engineering" More or less set after that, I wish the dev used it will increase their efficiency, they could just make what the AI could not

 

[danteppr]

1.I somewhat disagree. It depends on your choices, but she didn't initially choose you to be her lover or anything. She just knows your value, and you are an easy get because the kingdom does not protect you or watch over you.

2. Jezera sees you as a toy, a possession she wants to play with. She wants to own Rowan, the hero, and corrupt him. It's like a conqueror's fetish, she gets off knowing how much power she has over you.It's been shown time and time again that Jezera is pretty childish. She wants to be the top bitch and doesn't want to give away anything she has. Which is why she killed the dark elf because the elf tried to make them equals. She doesn't humiliate Arzyl because she loves your anything,you are her toy, and she doesn't want you taken from her. Arzyl is a old friend of her but any relationship with her requires you to be lower than her for it to work. She will not accept any equals, there may be a path where you shove that in her face and make her accept you as a equal but I wouldn't take it.

3.Never got that scene, so I'll take your word for it. I have played the 5. scene version. But I can kinda see your point about her, but I also don't really think she sees that in rowan. Only time will tell, but knowing me I'm going to end up killing her brother and enslaving her. Once they gave the choice.

1. I don't disagree that Jezera targeted Rowan to serve her because he's useful and unprotected, but given that the plot establishes that for a demon and a human to have children they need to love each other, something that Jezera herself mentions when asking a submissive Rowan to impregnate her in the Battle of Astarte, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that all the teasing and denial she kept playing was her way of molding him into someone worthy of being by her side, so that she wouldn't meet the same sad and lonely end that the half-breed X'zaeratl mentioned had in retrospect.

2. Funny, because I got the impression that Jezera was genuinely jealous here, hence why she felt the need to sexually humiliate Rowan and Arzyl when she (mistakenly) believed that he was going to be taken from her. Which is interesting because Jezera usually doesn't care about Rowan being married or having sex with whoever he wants, and she was up until then playing a game of teasing and denying him, but she impulsively abandoned her strategy because she was essentially afraid of losing him. Regardless of whether Jezera considered him her toy or not, I would say that her jealousy and fear of losing him were more than proven in this scene.

3. The dance scene I'm referring to is #272 in the current build.

Anyway, my point is that I believe Jezera doesn't want to have the same lonely end that the half-breed X'zaeratl mentioned had, and I think it will be revealed later that in addition to the reasons she gave for choosing Rowan to serve her, it was also because she thought he might be someone worthy of ruling, falling in love with, and having children with.

 

[LeviathanXXX]

Gawd I can't wait for all the pregnancy stuff to finally materialise, Jezera pregnant, Muh lil Gobby Wife, Greyhide knocking up Alexia or any other of the myriad of lovers, gonna be so fun

 

[Gormius]

2 things,

First: Are the twins finally being owned by our protagonist yet or not? How far is our MC from basically bringing about their downfall?

Second: Android port? Anyone have a version of it?

 

[sorjs53]

I can't wait for the full cuck route where Rowan and Alexia are in love, but Alexia is pregnant with Andras' child and Rowan is happy that he doesn't have to give her a kid

 

[Wiliam 1234567]

1. I don't disagree that Jezera targeted Rowan to serve her because he's useful and unprotected, but given that the plot establishes that for a demon and a human to have children they need to love each other, something that Jezera herself mentions when asking a submissive Rowan to impregnate her in the Battle of Astarte, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that all the teasing and denial she kept playing was her way of molding him into someone worthy of being by her side, so that she wouldn't meet the same sad and lonely end that the half-breed X'zaeratl mentioned had in retrospect.

2. Funny, because I got the impression that Jezera was genuinely jealous here, hence why she felt the need to sexually humiliate Rowan and Arzyl when she (mistakenly) believed that he was going to be taken from her. Which is interesting because Jezera usually doesn't care about Rowan being married or having sex with whoever he wants, and she was up until then playing a game of teasing and denying him, but she impulsively abandoned her strategy because she was essentially afraid of losing him. Regardless of whether Jezera considered him her toy or not, I would say that her jealousy and fear of losing him were more than proven in this scene.

3. The dance scene I'm referring to is #272 in the current build.

Anyway, my point is that I believe Jezera doesn't want to have the same lonely end that the half-breed X'zaeratl mentioned had, and I think it will be revealed later that in addition to the reasons she gave for choosing Rowan to serve her, it was also because she thought he might be someone worthy of ruling, falling in love with, and having children with.

I would just like to say that this possibility is not completely absurd because, of the two twins, Jezera is the one who has the most attachment to others, as we can see with Shaya or with the succubi (I like to think that this attachment is probably a consequence of having been abandoned by her father).