does anyone know how to burn down all of rastedel i can't figure it out. i recruited that maud girl instead of the barracks guy is that what is did wrong?
Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.11a Patreon] [Vénus Noire]
Don't think that's possible.
Imo there should be a route for a completely corrupt Rowan to get Rastedel clear.
- Oct 17, 2017
- 1,456
- 3,493
If my memory does not fail, he was dumb enough to go alone and without plan (for someone praised for being resourceful) into the twin's lair. What was he expecting, kicking demonic asses after he got one shot by Andras?
I guess he was desperate to save his wife? And generally disillusioned with the idea that the capital would help any of the villages.
I dunno, he made a name for himself during the last war, he has at least some influence, he could write letters or something to at least warn other people of possible return of demons.
He had some hardship during the last war, and probably made hard decisions in order to get the job done (protecting a fort IRC). With that kind of man, I have a hard time connecting that war hero to the Rowan in prologue, who act like he didn't experience the previous war. He should thought a plan, seek help, anything, instead of going in like some shounen protagonist. He should already know life isn't some fairy tale where the good guys defeat the bad guys. Again, the war made him aware of his limits, of what he can do, he should know going there alone was just suicidal.
- Oct 17, 2017
- 1,456
- 3,493
We want to actually touch up the intro and make this clearer.
But, the answer above is basically correct. Rowan is too marginalized politically during peace time to actually get much help. Had he come to Rastedel for help, Werden would have burried the request.
But, the answer above is basically correct. Rowan is too marginalized politically during peace time to actually get much help. Had he come to Rastedel for help, Werden would have burried the request.
Rowan : "I need Help plox my wifu stolen by chad Demon!"
Warden : "Sorry Rowan you too marginalized!"
Ps. I pointed out this plot hole at the very beginning of the game development. Basically , if Rowan was master strategist it doesn't sum up that the best plan he come up with is to venture in to the demons pit alone + after all his adventures (quite successful) he had not a single friend to ask for a favor?
I dropped this issue because it's hentai game and we have bigger plot holes in most movies and AAA games.
Pss. Yet i do think mayyyy be our "master strategist" should have had enough common sense to try and warn someone about the impending demonic invasion Before his suicide mission.
Warden : "Sorry Rowan you too marginalized!"
Ps. I pointed out this plot hole at the very beginning of the game development. Basically , if Rowan was master strategist it doesn't sum up that the best plan he come up with is to venture in to the demons pit alone + after all his adventures (quite successful) he had not a single friend to ask for a favor?
I dropped this issue because it's hentai game and we have bigger plot holes in most movies and AAA games.
Pss. Yet i do think mayyyy be our "master strategist" should have had enough common sense to try and warn someone about the impending demonic invasion Before his suicide mission.
- May 8, 2017
- 809
- 3,047
Do you want to fuck demon bitches and noble ladies or not?
Eh, that makes a lot of sense. Unless something happened between the Six Heroes after the end of the war that we don't know about and that would be the cause why Rowan wouldn't ask for help from them either. The nobles already loathe the very notion of a peasant like him being a hero so it's a no brainer that no one in the high ranks would listen to him or anyone affiliated with him that could act as a messenger.
IRC, Rowan is not a "master strategist", he was more described to be willing to do dirty deeds to get the job done. Competent, but nothing "genius" or having special talent.
Does he have no allies he made during war that are at least willing to hear him out and that have at least some influence to help? If so, before doing some suicidal solo like he did, he can at least spend some time to wrote letters to any people (either to send help or to warn his hometown razed to the ground by demons).
I think we are hitting the wall of logic here, for the story of the game to happen the twins need Rowan, a hero and , has the later points of the story show, relatively respected person, to go alone to their place and be captured for months with no-one knowning. But also needs him to be a hero with experience,and smart enough to be a strategist and that leads it to the poit off:
Has a hero, veteran and smart guy makes no sense he has no friends, alies or people he could warn even with the "come alone", just say "if i dont give news in x time send help" , but if that happened the game could not work because then there would be people knowing. Could it be fixed? Sure, things like having the sometimes all knowing twins hand waving at "we killed those that were warned" can be made and be a quick and dirty fix, or saying fuck it and using that has a plotpoint so we can pull a "In this place you find that one friend you warned, here some options to be a lesser evil or (masoquist)good guy" out of the hat.
Now going from the wishfull thinking , the writers already seem to have to much on their plate and no-one can have a totaly hole free story without taking from the fun of the game, or from the new content via forcing old one to need to be adjusted and re-writen everytime someone goes "Hey, i have an idea for a cool new character that has a relation with Rowan's past, but how many scenes do we need to alter or scrap for it to make sense".
Has a hero, veteran and smart guy makes no sense he has no friends, alies or people he could warn even with the "come alone", just say "if i dont give news in x time send help" , but if that happened the game could not work because then there would be people knowing. Could it be fixed? Sure, things like having the sometimes all knowing twins hand waving at "we killed those that were warned" can be made and be a quick and dirty fix, or saying fuck it and using that has a plotpoint so we can pull a "In this place you find that one friend you warned, here some options to be a lesser evil or (masoquist)good guy" out of the hat.
Now going from the wishfull thinking , the writers already seem to have to much on their plate and no-one can have a totaly hole free story without taking from the fun of the game, or from the new content via forcing old one to need to be adjusted and re-writen everytime someone goes "Hey, i have an idea for a cool new character that has a relation with Rowan's past, but how many scenes do we need to alter or scrap for it to make sense".
Well the easiest fix is just to kidnap Rowan alongside his wife, and blackmail him into working for them using Alexia as hostage.
diebesgrab
Active Member
- Feb 25, 2019
- 597
- 1,202
- May 2, 2017
- 680
- 1,016
- Oct 17, 2017
- 1,456
- 3,493
I mean, I can go into political theory and feudal logistics if you want.
But, Rowan really didn't have access to anything resembling a force that would actually be able to take the castle. If you'll recall from the first Rastedel quest, the belief of the leadership of the realms was that this was just some minor demons going on raids. In the story, this belief doesn't actually get broken until the Rosarian army is ambushed and destroyed. If the realms percieved this as a true "Greater Demon" war, then they'd be more inclined to march. But, two demon wars so soon is unprecedented and they werne't about to believe it just because Rowan said it was the case.
Rowan's political power is basically directly tied to "how fucked the situation is". And at the start of the game, things were mostly fine. This is because his power is entirely derivative of utility and connections and not from intuitions. The lower his utility the lower his power.
He could have called up some friends and personal connections, but even then he'd need to persuade them on a months long trek north through a famously hard to supply area. In Feudal society, the only people with access to serious military powers are governments or feudal lords. And calling levies for an extended campaign is a thing feudal lords are not inclined to do. If the demon force at Bloodmeen really had been inconsequential, then the cost of the expedition in terms of manpower and lost resources (Feudal Levies are also the civilian workforce) would have been huge.
Among the major political factions, the only ones in the entire world I could plausibly see helping him might be the Knights in the Tundra. But, we haven't really established that fully, and on a practical level getting the knights to comit to a forced march to the Rakshan wastes is unlikely. And the trip south and then back north would at least double the movement time.
So the only real question is "Why didn't Rowan try to go with a small strike force of allies or mercenaries". And that's a more fair question. Helayna, some war buddies, maybe even one of the heroes could have been persuaded to help him. But, even then his behavior isn't that out of character. Adding 4 or 5 people wouldn't make them anymore likely to win via frontal assault and might make stealth more difficult.
And Rowan, for all his fame in working as a unit, is by nature something of a loner. He likes to travel light, alone, through hostile country. He did it at Karst, at other points during the war, and does it frequently in the game.
So, once it became apparent that Duke Raeve and Rastedel weren't about to march an army to Bloodmeen because a small village got burned by some "minor demons", he probably deciding that a solo-stealth infilitration was his best bet.
TLDR: Since when can a literal peasant just call up an army to send on a massive months long march based on a personal testimonial?
But, Rowan really didn't have access to anything resembling a force that would actually be able to take the castle. If you'll recall from the first Rastedel quest, the belief of the leadership of the realms was that this was just some minor demons going on raids. In the story, this belief doesn't actually get broken until the Rosarian army is ambushed and destroyed. If the realms percieved this as a true "Greater Demon" war, then they'd be more inclined to march. But, two demon wars so soon is unprecedented and they werne't about to believe it just because Rowan said it was the case.
Rowan's political power is basically directly tied to "how fucked the situation is". And at the start of the game, things were mostly fine. This is because his power is entirely derivative of utility and connections and not from intuitions. The lower his utility the lower his power.
He could have called up some friends and personal connections, but even then he'd need to persuade them on a months long trek north through a famously hard to supply area. In Feudal society, the only people with access to serious military powers are governments or feudal lords. And calling levies for an extended campaign is a thing feudal lords are not inclined to do. If the demon force at Bloodmeen really had been inconsequential, then the cost of the expedition in terms of manpower and lost resources (Feudal Levies are also the civilian workforce) would have been huge.
Among the major political factions, the only ones in the entire world I could plausibly see helping him might be the Knights in the Tundra. But, we haven't really established that fully, and on a practical level getting the knights to comit to a forced march to the Rakshan wastes is unlikely. And the trip south and then back north would at least double the movement time.
So the only real question is "Why didn't Rowan try to go with a small strike force of allies or mercenaries". And that's a more fair question. Helayna, some war buddies, maybe even one of the heroes could have been persuaded to help him. But, even then his behavior isn't that out of character. Adding 4 or 5 people wouldn't make them anymore likely to win via frontal assault and might make stealth more difficult.
And Rowan, for all his fame in working as a unit, is by nature something of a loner. He likes to travel light, alone, through hostile country. He did it at Karst, at other points during the war, and does it frequently in the game.
So, once it became apparent that Duke Raeve and Rastedel weren't about to march an army to Bloodmeen because a small village got burned by some "minor demons", he probably deciding that a solo-stealth infilitration was his best bet.
TLDR: Since when can a literal peasant just call up an army to send on a massive months long march based on a personal testimonial?
Last edited: