Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.11a Patreon] [Vénus Noire]

[Hekzow]

Pervert.

 

[aesir150]

I just realize in a previous post I typoed and typed;

For a game like this I have problem giving them a large one time donation of $20-60 once the game is finished considering how much time I already sunk into it for the past few days and how good quality the writing is. Not really a fan of the subscription based donation websites since there is no guaranteed that game will ever get finished... and depending on the website most of the money you donate doesn't even go to the content creator. Since most of it is eaten up by processing fees.

What I meant to type was;

For a game like this I don't a have problem giving them a large one time donation of $20-60 once the game is finished considering how much time I already sunk into it for the past few days and how good quality the writing is. Not really a fan of the subscription based donation websites since there is no guaranteed that game will ever get finished... and depending on the website most of the money you donate doesn't even go to the content creator. Since most of it is eaten up by processing fees.

I must of accidentally started typing into a tab that loaded an auto save that didn't have the most recent thing I typed after I clicked on a notification and opened up a different thread.

 

[iainmore]

"Redoing large stretches of art when we can't even afford to add CGs for every CG in the game yet is not a feasible usage of resources."

It isn't a wise choice of time available either winterized as there are only 24 hours in the day and we all have to sleep some time as well dude. The one thing that annoys patrons more than anything is also a failure to finish a game for whatever reason.

 

[TheSexinati]

I usually do three playthroughs, the third being exactly like this. It's fun to see what changes.

Pervert.

It's not Perversion... It's Science! (TM)

 

[diebesgrab]

I've mentioned this in the past and I'll say it again here, this is one thing in a circumstance where Alexia hasn't fucked anyone else, but it gets quite dumb in those cases where she has fucked one to multiple other people already. I mean, I am well aware that work is still being done here, but this is one of those things that should be worked on a bit.

It’s worth pointing out that most of Alexia’s “trysts” have fairly dubious consent from her; she’s almost always either trying to protect Rowan or is under some sort of mind-altering influence. This changes a bit as she progresses down certain paths or becomes more corrupt, but for the most part, she’s not engaging in extramarital affairs for the giggles.

Granted, Rowan isn’t necessarily either with Helayna and a few other partners, but I’m just trying to say that the situation is pretty emotionally messy for both of them.

 

[BranTheBrokenDick]

I haven't played this in a while, did they change the artist? Some art looks very different, it still looks good, my ravens approve

 

[360 Danny DeVitos Later]

It’s worth pointing out that most of Alexia’s “trysts” have fairly dubious consent from her; she’s almost always either trying to protect Rowan or is under some sort of mind-altering influence. This changes a bit as she progresses down certain paths or becomes more corrupt, but for the most part, she’s not engaging in extramarital affairs for the giggles.

Granted, Rowan isn’t necessarily either with Helayna and a few other partners, but I’m just trying to say that the situation is pretty emotionally messy for both of them.

That's a good point actually. Outside of Liurial, Greyhide and I think Jezera (with Jezera and Greyhide been a little questionable) there isn't many scenes where she fucks someone other than Rowan just because she's horny.


I think it's easy to forget that part as players because the devs always give us a way out. From an in universe perspective saying no isn't that easy especially when drugs, threats or magic are involved. We the players can so no to Andras easily because we know there is no comeback, to us it's a scene skip. If the big red fucker was in front of m........ well yep I'm sucking a dick that day because I like living and having my heart behind my sternum. It does make sense why she'd do the things she does it's rarely as simple as her just been unfaithful....Rowan on the other hand , he can literally enter a contest to breed an Orc with zero thought of Alexia. Definitely emotionally messy. Be interesting to see what happens if you keep one faithful and the other fucks everything in sight further down the road .

 

[kaorok]

Bisexual men make up about 15% to 20% of our audience based on the most recent polling data, actually.

Yeah, I think this is because the games is a rarity in the erotic game market - one where a male protagonist can fuck both hot women and hot masculine men without getting sissified or transformed into a girl first. Thank you for this!

And yes, you can fuck a pregnant woman in the Orciad quest. None of the cast members can currently get knocked up. Not for a lack of interest in pregnancy and impregnation. A lot of games kind of just have impreg as a box you click. It doesn't meaningfully alter your relationship to her, to other people, or the game world.

This is not that kind of game.

More impregnation content is planned. Not soon, so don't wait on the edge of your seat. But it's coming.

OKAY NOW YOU HAVE ME EXCITED AND AROUSED.

 

[AidsDelivered]

im just waiting for roselin as a nemesis

 

[UncleVT]

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This week, on the SoC writing team.
Sup, Rein here, with a Paradox style Dev Diary. I’ve decided to take a moment and shed some light on what I’ve been working on in my spare time and recently have focused on entirely – the SoC skill rework.
As it stands now, Rowan has 5 attributes, 19 different skills, on-level feats and 10 equipment slots. As you probably realize, most of that is not used all that often. To a degree, that’s because the design work on how it all should work was never finalized. But this also because the game evolved since its initial conception, from a free roam RPG to a Visual Novel with greater structure. More emphasis was put on character development and plot progression, and less on character and castle management. So the game moved forward, while the skill system lagged behind, growing increasingly disjointed from everything else.
Well, not for much longer.
Over the last 13 months, since April 2018, I’ve been working on overhauling the entirety of it. I went through 8 different skill system drafts, testing and theorycrafting various solutions, and ping-ponging ideas with the rest of the team. I’ve been trying to come up with a system that would build up from what we already have, adequately accommodate for our existing and future needs, and won’t be weighted down by mechanics that are difficult to implement and don’t really add much to the gameplay.
For the most part, the internal discussion often ended up with someone asking: “Do we REALLY need this?”
Do we REALLY need different armor types?
Do we REALLY need different weapon types?
Do we REALLY need attributes? Perks? Nineteen different skills?
And the answer was usually a meek “Not really?”
Of course, one can make a VN without bothering with skills at all, but that was out of question. For all the frustration the system was bringing us, we wanted it to exist in some capacity. We wanted Rowan to evolve through the course of the game, grow stronger from both doing the twins bidding and fighting his secret war against them. We wanted to have the Nemesis system, and that was impossible without a working skill system.
So in the end, I embarked on a quest: Trim all the fat from the skill system - leave only the essentials, and use 100% of them. Have less of everything, but make everything we have MATTER.
The first thing that went out of the window was swappable equipment, for two reasons: It added a layer of micromanagement that really didn't add much to the game itself, and because no matter what items Rowan would use, his sprite would always show him wearing the same clothes and using the same sword anyway. So what few items will remain in the game, will behave as static bonuses that apply automatically. Cliohna got you a cool ring from completing her side quest? Boom, you now always wear it. Simple, and effective.
The second thing that went out of the window were level up perks, which, for the time being, simply doubled as +skills/attributes. In the future, when we flesh out some of the game’s other mechanics, level up perks might be reintroduced into the game. For the time being, there’s simply no need for them.
The third thing that went out of the window was the majority of the skills/attributes, and the distinction between the two. There simply was not enough gameplay in the game to justify having that many of them, separated into two groups to boot.
And so, once that was decided, utilizing trial and error, intuition and some really wonky math, I’ve started cutting and merging skills and attributes, until I’ve narrowed the system down to 8 universal skills:

• Combat Prowess – Handles all the combat checks.
• Brawn – Handles most physical checks, and physical intimidation.
• Agility – Handles dexterity checks, reflexes, might also handle speed checks.
• Stealth – moving silently and hiding.
• Perception – Listening and spotting. Might find occasional use in conversations.
• Deception – Both verbal bluffs and combat feints, sometimes sleight of hand.
• Diplomacy – Persuasion, composure, and verbal coercion.
• Wilderness Survival – First aid, archery, everything concerning outdoors survival.

(You might notice the lack of more traditional rogue skills, like Open Locks and Disarm Device. For these, we went through Rowan’s backstory again, and decided it doesn’t really make much sense for him to have them in the first place, as he’s not a rogue by trade. So we simply cut them. But I digress - back to the topic at hand.)
So, now that we had, more or less, a good idea of what skills we wanted in the game, the next step was bending all of the past events to fit the current philosophy.
And so, for the last 2 months, I have been going through. Every. Single. Bloody. Event in the game, changing skills checks and adjusting descriptions. I have thus far checked 48 Rosaria Exploration events, 54Rosaria Resource events, and 80 Castle Ruler events. By my estimates, I’m 60% done with the rework, with only Orciad and Helayna Escape Investigation remaining as the two big blocks that need to be dissected.
Of course, not every event required changing. But I have also used the rework to expand on some of the less developed events that I felt did not give the player the freedom of choice I expect from SoC. Many events now sport additional responses and dialogue options, depending on skills levels, past Rosaria actions and whether or not Rowan has access to spies. Usually it’s just a paragraph or two, but some events, like the forest “Necromancer Lair”, have doubled in size.

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The other big chain that had a lot of work done on it was the Helayna’s escape arc, which has been cleaned up and expanded. The whole chain now checks every skill possible, though depending on your choices, you will only see some of them.

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The investigation arc will likely receive similar treatment, so all branches hold up to a similar standard. But that’s next week, along with Orciad.
So the big question is: once I am done with checking and adjusting everything, what remains to be done, and when the rework will go live?
Well, there is still some design work to be done, in particular on:
- Wounds, and how to prevent the death spiral that comes with them.
- Level ups, and making sure they’re sparse, but meaningful.
- Guilt impact on skills, and how to prevent putting the player in unwinnable states.
In general, I have ideas on all of these (I’ll discuss them at length in further Dev Diaries later on), so it shouldn’t take that long. But of course, the primary issue is - I am a writer, not a programmer. I will try to have everything on my part wrapped up by the end of the next month, but once that is finished, it will take some time to code all of this into the game in one, big update. So I can’t give you a precise ETA on the rework, but I can say real progress is being made, as seen above.
That’s all from me for now. As always, thank you for your continued support. We will continue to work hard to make SoC rise to your expectations.

 

[TheMagister]

Should've had a cuck skill

 

[diebesgrab]

I haven't played this in a while, did they change the artist? Some art looks very different, it still looks good, my ravens approve

I believe there are two different CG artists, and a third artist for the sprites, though I’m not really positive.

 

[Sillnill]

Big rework is so hype

 

[kaorok]

Wow I'm hyped for that rework. It takes a lot of courage to decide to rework rather than keep building on to a bloated and busted system.

 

[TheSexinati]

I haven't played this in a while, did they change the artist? Some art looks very different, it still looks good, my ravens approve

I believe there are two different CG artists, and a third artist for the sprites, though I’m not really positive.

Yep, I believe one of the developers 'doubles' as an artist for some of the work. From what I can understand, they did the work on the Alexia x Rowan picnic scene, the Alexia 'Tree' scene and the scenes with Wulump or whatever the hell that Tentacle-thingo is called...

Other than that, I believe Momdadno does most of the Sexual CG's, and another artist does most of the background CG's, AFAIK. I think that the earliest background works where done by another artist but I am not completely sure if they are still working on the project (Andras's magical circle, Jezera in red robe, Rowan in a defensive ward against an Orcish attacker etcetera).

From what I understand, a fair proportion of the music in the game was made by Leet music. They have done work for other VN's before. Personally, I am not that big a fan of the music, but that is probably up to my tastes. Wardruna or Heilung is what I usually play instead, or failing that, I beat up my minstrels and force them to play music from the Cantiga's. I've even managed to find Andalusian Quiyan music... so that can fit a Harem setting quite well!

Ahhh, nothing better than playing a game with a medieval setting with music that dates back to the 1200's.

 

[T51bwinterized]

Head of art is Sommelier. He does backgrounds, some of the CGs, and works on elements like colors and correction. The recent CG of Rowan arriving at Rastedel we showed was his work.

MDN does the CGs, and a third artist does the sprites.

 

[pizbia]

More impregnation content is planned. Not soon, so don't wait on the edge of your seat. But it's coming.

Is this distinct from Nasim's fertility treatment with the (coming soon) placeholder?

Not sure what you guys' ITT issues with Alexia not currently having many scenes with Rowan are tbh. Initially Alexia didn't have that much meaningful interactions of her own outside of Rowan so focusing too much on a slightly isolated character would have lead to underdeveloped worldbuilding. I think people would probably have found those scenes boring if they'd got them any sooner, and it's only being noticed now because Alexia is now a much more developed character in her own right.

 

[BranTheBrokenDick]

Head of art is Sommelier. He does backgrounds, some of the CGs, and works on elements like colors and correction. The recent CG of Rowan arriving at Rastedel we showed was his work.

MDN does the CGs, and a third artist does the sprites.

Well, they are all talented artists I must say, I only like some of the paths of this game, but I believe that the choices/options are what makes this game good

 

[Pseudonymous Pervert]

It’s worth pointing out that most of Alexia’s “trysts” have fairly dubious consent from her; she’s almost always either trying to protect Rowan or is under some sort of mind-altering influence. This changes a bit as she progresses down certain paths or becomes more corrupt, but for the most part, she’s not engaging in extramarital affairs for the giggles.

Granted, Rowan isn’t necessarily either with Helayna and a few other partners, but I’m just trying to say that the situation is pretty emotionally messy for both of them.

True, but with the Helayna thing in particular Rowan has a very good reason to want to claim her simply to keep her safe from some of the other less pleasant(to say the least)inhabitants of the castle.

 

[Rein]

Honey I'm saving her with mah diiiiiiiiiiiiick.