Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.11a Patreon] [Vénus Noire]

[mostlylurk]

T51bwinterized Have you tought about separating sexual corruption and overall corruption? Also, what about repeating scenes in-game? As when people tell you to "come back whenever you want" (yes, i'm thinking the peasant girls)

 

[05841035411]

I don't necessarily think that Andras views Rowan as an Inferior necessarily. I have the feeling that initially Andras did not trust Rowan, and thus he acted arrogantly and 'show-offy'. I may be speaking solely of myself... But I've been down that route myself towards people I didn't trust. Is that dickish? Probably.

However, once you have been successful in accomplishing some of the missions, Andras seems to open up a bit more towards Rowan, to the point that I think Andras will eventually become more respectful towards Rowan in the future. What makes me say this? What Andras says at Raeve Keep.

"I must say that you've really impressed me on this day. Your grasp of strategy and my might took this place far more easily than I thought we would. Lots of prisoners and loot to bring back home after this. The results speak for themselves."

Immediately after this, Andras then offers Rowan an apology. Here is the quote from the game. "I... apologize for arguing against your plan before, that was foolishness."

And evidently, this came as a surprise to Rowan himself. "That was very surprising coming from the ever arrogant Andras! Rowan looked at his master and found him smiling in-spite of his self admonishment."

This to me, was a fairly provoking moment in the game and it certainly made me rethink his character when I first saw it over a year ago. That doesn't necessarily mean I'm going to join the Griffith, I mean the "Andras did Nothing wrong!" crowd, nor is it going to stop me from stabbing him in the back if possible in the future, but this scene made Andras feel more... well, human. In a way that I haven't really felt from Jezera.

As to his Impulsive behavior and relative 'murder-hoboness' towards his own Orcish troops... Yeah, that's another issue entirely. And It is possible that these could be curbed in time, or alleviated.

Edit: Changed colour of the Quotes to make them more visible.

Well, there are a lot of theories regarding Andras's behavior that fit the data we've seen thus far, ranging from the plausible ("You're a hero that killed our father and would like to kill us if we didn't have a hostage; of course you'll try to betray us") to the stupid ("I have a massive crush on you, and this is my way of pulling on your pigtails"). Your explanation makes sense as well, but I think we'll have to wait for a change in their relationship one way or the other to reveal the core of the rift between them. It could be as simple as Andras viewing Rowan as an enemy they're forced to work with, after all; if the tables were reversed and Rowan was the one forced to employ Andras against more dangerous demons, would he necessarily treat Andras any better?

I was more concerned about discussing the result of Andras's behavior - that until he gives the player a reason to think otherwise, the player's going to view him as a jerk that they want to see something bad happen to.

Though while we're on the topic, my personal theory is that Andras is more insecure than his arrogant demeanor would suggest, and he hates having to rely on Rowan to do something he believes he should be able to do himself - I think this shows through more in the passages where Rowan favors solutions Andras would have pursued. If Rowan takes Raeve Keep by force instead of by guile, Andras is notably warmer towards Rowan, and is a bit peeved if Rowan instead uses spies; in my opinion, this is motivated on at least some level by the fact that, given time, Andras knows that he could have offered a military solution of his own, while he knows that he's not the kind of person who could have effectively facilitated Jezera's solution. When Rowan agrees to Andras's solutions, he's being a useful tool for Andras's vision at best, and a mentor at worst - it doesn't threaten his self-worth, because the results are something that would have just been a matter of time. When Rowan pursues Jezera's solutions, though, it risks making Andras obsolete as a leader - because he's all about force aggressively applied, and if that won't work, than where does that leave him? A general without an open war? A footsoldier sent to end conflicts that are over before they began? He already has reason to fear, given the failure of his father and the fact that secrecy is the only thing protecting them now, against his own instincts. Every time Rowan decides in favor of his sister is just another fact confirming the truth behind those fears.

...At least, in my own reading. Motivated reasoning is a powerful drug, though; if one starts from the premise that "There's a deeper reason behind Andras lashing out", then it's easy to find an explanation that fits the facts, especially when we have different scenarios to compare his reactions to. That doesn't make it true, though; he could just as easily have grown up with far too much power, and learned to view every problem as a nail to be cowed into submission.

 

[DaddyGrond]

The new update said there are 6 new medium corruption things for alexia jobs.

Anybody knows what those are?
Thanks in advance.

 

[88Michele88]

In this game I wish paly as female protagoist form start, without take control on male protagoist. This will be possible or this don't be implament in this kind of game? I think I love play more with female protagonist, and I hate play as male protagonist, becous I hi Die I se this fuking game over, who I hate so, so much.

 

[jonatansavinon]

Can someone give me a save with the scene replay and gallery? I was playing the game and my PC just shut off because of electrical problems... i have the save but all the scenes/gallery cg are locked (because i need to close the game before Ren´py save that info into the persistent) ... SO SAD!

Btw, how i can search for info in the tread? People comment about that... but i just don't know how.

 

[TheSexinati]

...At least, in my own reading. Motivated reasoning is a powerful drug, though; if one starts from the premise that "There's a deeper reason behind Andras lashing out", then it's easy to find an explanation that fits the facts, especially when we have different scenarios to compare his reactions to. That doesn't make it true, though; he could just as easily have grown up with far too much power, and learned to view every problem as a nail to be cowed into submission.

I'm not saying that my example 'Fit the facts'. I was merely showcasing how Andras could be capable of changing his 'attitude' towards Rowan.

If I recall correctly, Andras can also be quite critical towards Rowan, regarding some of his ideas on who should be made the 'puppet' ruler of Rastedel, and he can still be quite Arrogant depending on your options in the Rastedel questline.

However, I am sure that with Rowans silver tongue and fine ass, I can get Andras to come around... eventually. Rowans tight ass can fix many a problem!

 

[05841035411]

I'm not saying that my example 'Fit the facts'. I was merely showcasing how Andras could be capable of changing his 'attitude' towards Rowan.

Ah, I wasn't saying that you were; I was just trying to avoid sounding like I felt my own opinion was the incontrovertible truth . I can sound a bit too much like I'm forcing my opinions on others, at times. My apologies if it sounded like that was directed at you, instead .

 

[TheSexinati]

Ah, I wasn't saying that you were; I was just trying to avoid sounding like I felt my own opinion was the incontrovertible truth . I can sound a bit too much like I'm forcing my opinions on others, at times. My apologies if it sounded like that was directed at you, instead .

No problem bro, It's all good!

 

[Agent-Alexa]

So, I decided to keep Helayne (I think thats her name) as a personal prize after Reave Keep fell and admitted to Alexis that I sort of loved the female knight and then tested her in submission & training. Then the option of keeping her as a slave or training her back to knighthood (I think) came long.

This is where I have two different save files for each route. I decided to play the route where I train Helayne (I’m assuming back into a knight and I will play the route with the submissive slave route later) but it just gives me the option to cuck her with a maid.

Is there more content with this route further on in the game? (I just got into the Rosaria capital if that helps. Raeves Keep —> Rosaria capital)

 

[manscout]

So, I decided to keep Helayne (I think thats her name) as a personal prize after Reave Keep fell and admitted to Alexis that I sort of loved the female knight and then tested her in submission & training. Then the option of keeping her as a slave or training her back to knighthood (I think) came long.

This is where I have two different save files for each route. I decided to play the route where I train Helayne (I’m assuming back into a knight and I will play the route with the submissive slave route later) but it just gives me the option to cuck her with a maid.

Is there more content with this route further on in the game? (I just got into the Rosaria capital if that helps. Raeves Keep —> Rosaria capital)

I believe the knight route is not implemented yet, I'm pretty sure you get the submissive slave route no matter what.

There is some inaccessible dialogue for a knight Helayne in some later events so it should be just a matter of time before it is added into the game.

 

[Deleted member 40068]

Does anyone have an up-to-date save with full Alexia corruption/NTR with Andras and no gay scenes? Haven't played this in so long, and a bit lost. Thanks!

 

[demondragon]

If I made contact with the Orc camp before week 22 am I screwed? I cant remember what option I selected once I was inside the camp but I cant seem to advance that mission no matter what I do.. Now that I think of it I talked to Tarish. But again no matter where I go in the map I havnt been able to do anything.

 

[Pere]

could anyone share me save file for whipping or spanking scene?

 

[Revering]

Where is the debug menu? I cant find it anymore

 

[fengshui]

The Rastadel plotline is sort of evocative of the early French Revolutionary period. You have the Three Estates (the First Estate/clergy/Blues, the Second Estate/nobility/Purples, the Third Estate/everyone else but especially the merchant and lawyer class/Coppers) all vying for power while the threat of war looms over the realm (what would eventually become the War of the First Coalition/war with the demons' army). The clergy losing legitimacy in the metropole, a nobility gorging itself on the misery of its subjects, and an ambitious bourgeoisie willing to take the reins on the mechanisms of state after it's become clear that the old feudalistic order has decayed beyond any hope of salvation. French Revolutionary history extremely rules and the plotline slaps, is what I'm saying

 

[T51bwinterized]

The Rastadel plotline is sort of evocative of the early French Revolutionary period. You have the Three Estates (the First Estate/clergy/Blues, the Second Estate/nobility/Purples, the Third Estate/everyone else but especially the merchant and lawyer class/Coppers) all vying for power while the threat of war looms over the realm (what would eventually become the War of the First Coalition/war with the demons' army). The clergy losing legitimacy in the metropole, a nobility gorging itself on the misery of its subjects, and an ambitious bourgeoisie willing to take the reins on the mechanisms of state after it's become clear that the old feudalistic order has decayed beyond any hope of salvation. French Revolutionary history extremely rules and the plotline slaps, is what I'm saying

I have no comment on this besides saying that an especially astute observer might notice some things about the urban architecture/planning/city design of Rastedel.

 

[fengshui]

I have no comment on this besides saying that an especially astute observer might notice some things about the urban architecture/planning/city design of Rastedel.

Neat, I don't know shit about architecture but I hope there are especially astute observers around

 

[Agent-Alexa]

I've been playing this game for a few days now and I already enjoy playing it.
I just now realized that you can level up Rowan's skills and i feel incredibly stupid now. (i'm 84 weeks in btw)

 

[T51bwinterized]

I've been playing this game for a few days now and I already enjoy playing it.
I just now realized that you can level up Rowan's skills and i feel incredibly stupid now. (i'm 84 weeks in btw)

I don't think that's as bad as you think. The entire RPG system underlining the game was under-designed for the longest time. We have a big post coming soon where we'll be talking about it. But, the systems rework is entering into it's final stages. Everyone is optimistic that it will be ready for the new release, but the process is complex enough (and I'm not involved enough) that I can't say that for sure.

 

[TheSexinati]

Talk about architecture

Me: "Alas, I only specialize in Ancient/Medieval weapons, armour and warfare."