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Dragul17

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I think a lot of the players forget that you were 100% using Delane in the first place. Rowan even feels some guilt for manipulating her feelings like that. So any true romantical feelings the player has has very little correlation to Rowan's true feelings. And even if he did truly fall in love with Delane just imagine how the relationship with Alexia would be after that. She could barely live with Helyana since it was either take her or see his student fall to corruption. With this he actively pursued Delane as a lover. this if Alexia found out would completely destroy a happy marriage unless her corruption led her to accepting swinging in which case she would definitely be banging Andras.
 
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I think a lot of the players forget that you were 100% using Delane in the first place. Rowan even feels some guilt for manipulating her feelings like that. So any true romantical feelings the player has has very little correlation to Rowan's true feelings. And even if he did truly fall in love with Delane just imagine how the relationship with Alexia would be after that. She could barely live with Helyana since it was either take her or see his student fall to corruption. With this he actively pursued Delane as a lover. this if Alexia found out would completely destroy a happy marriage unless her corruption led her to accepting swinging in which case she would definitely be banging Andras.
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Demon Jhim

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manscout There will be signifigant effects and sometimes advantages to having done Werden route throughout the game. The different political situation and different fates of certain cast members will have myriad consequences and you'll see it pretty soon into Act 2.
Okay so I guess I'm keeping that save then.
 

Demon Jhim

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I want to have more seen o Rowan and Jazeera bt I want the option to be the dominant one I tried the submissive part not my thing.
 

Bolbokor

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Artwork is some of the best 2D I've seen in a long time, and gotta love the attention to the redheads. Shame about all the NTR content, though, cuck stuff really doesn't do it for me.
Dude, you can literally avoid ALL of it, you don't even have to turn the NTR of in order to avoid it. God knows how the devs must feel every time someone complains about it.
 

AlexWildfire

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i will have to ask , is the werden route simply the "not worth if you are not masochistic" route? The whole no good action goes without punishment seems to go over the charts in it. Its early for real going against the twins in ways that mater but still, they seem to just have the power of never having problems and rowen gets all the bad stuf.
Andras is a brute that depending on what the plot demands goes from beserker that feels no pain to being able to being hurt "the arrow when taking the keep, Rowan being able to hurt him (even if just a little) by elbowing him in the stomach, to being and aparently good strategist with an interest in clocks before going back to being a brute.
Jezera, from all i can get of her character, is a wanna be mistress of intrigue that knows stuf but a real one could probably run circles around her and has 0 alience making skills beond wanting people to follow her because her blood.
But, going back to the point , for some reason, the 2 characters that from what can be seen in theory just had the fact that they are the children of the last demon lord and brute strenght (fisical in the case of Andras and magical in Jezera's), seem to be all powerfull, with no aparent weaknesses that do something.
If they are aparently all knowing and cant be beat, even when one of the twins spels can in theory be resisted, why did they need to bother on geting Rowan? Aparently they are good without him if they can just off him no matter if they are about to get defeated by an army.
What is the point of going against it if it gives nothing ( i am taking the " There will be signifigant effects and sometimes advantages to having done Werden route " with a grain of salt because it can be anything betwen "in the last half of the final chapter things start to go right and then Rowan either becomes the new dark lord or is executed" "Once per chapter he will recieve a smal thing good for him" or "This was just him in his worse , from chapter 2 beyond he gets better at not geting caught") In the end the whole route seems to be there just to show that Rowan cant do good stuf, he saves dellane , in universe the people in next villages become slaves and he loses the girl after a very unlucky coup.

I am not asking to be able to hurt the twins in chapter 2 of.. howmany there will be, i would like to know if its intended to be a "the futility of trying to go against the twins before the final chapters" or just a low beggining.
That sends to another point that the game seems contraditory at times, rowan aparently can resist the strongest mind control magic cliohna can use, still cant resist the twins ,who are said to be weaker, fair enough, it would be a very short game if in the prologue he just standed up and gutted Andras, but things like he in chapter one being already told that he is "the streght behind the twins" or something of the sort, but then he can still get killed some turns later like he is easily replaced, the game seems to not be sure if Rowan is important, or just weak and replaceable, strong , or pityfull. Just like it cant decide the twins power, amount of content aside. Are the twins unbetable or do they have limits? (Andras being aparently not impossible to hurt , the arrow did not break agaist his skin and, even if it was like hiting a wall of bricks he felt and was hurt by the elbowthing).

In a last point to this unnecessarily long, badly written post, are the twins going to get separated at some point? The whole chapter with Andras being the one with the most event provoking Rowan makes me think at some point either he will die/be betrayed by Jezera, or one of them is going to die and leave the other has the big bad, its just me? Is it a product of the limitations of events made by month?
 
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i will have to ask , is the werden route simply the "not worth if you are not masochistic" route? The whole no good action goes without punishment seems to go over the charts in it. Its early for real going against the twins in ways that mater but still, they seem to just have the power of never having problems and rowen gets all the bad stuf.
Andras is a brute that depending on what the plot demands goes from beserker that feels no pain to being able to being hurt "the arrow when taking the keep, Rowan being able to hurt him (even if just a little) by elbowing him in the stomach, to being and aparently good strategist with an interest in clocks before going back to being a brute.
Jezera, from all i can get of her character, is a wanna be mistress of intrigue that knows stuf but a real one could probably run circles around her and has 0 alience making skills beond wanting people to follow her because her blood.
But, going back to the point , for some reason, the 2 characters that from what can be seen in theory just had the fact that they are the children of the last demon lord and brute strenght (fisical in the case of Andras and magical in Jezera's), seem to be all powerfull, with no aparent weaknesses that do something.
If they are aparently all knowing and cant be beat, even when one of the twins spels can in theory be resisted, why did they need to bother on geting Rowan? Aparently they are good without him if they can just off him no matter if they are about to get defeated by an army.
What is the point of going against it if it gives nothing ( i am taking the " There will be signifigant effects and sometimes advantages to having done Werden route " with a grain of salt because it can be anything betwen "in the last half of the final chapter things start to go right and then Rowan either becomes the new dark lord or is executed" "Once per chapter he will recieve a smal thing good for him" or "This was just him in his worse , from chapter 2 beyond he gets better at not geting caught") In the end the whole route seems to be there just to show that Rowan cant do good stuf, he saves dellane , in universe the people in next villages become slaves and he loses the girl after a very unlucky coup.

I am not asking to be able to hurt the twins in chapter 2 of.. howmany there will be, i would like to know if its intended to be a "the futility of trying to go against the twins before the final chapters" or just a low beggining.
That sends to another point that the game seems contraditory at times, rowan aparently can resist the strongest mind control magic cliohna can use, still cant resist the twins ,who are said to be weaker, fair enough, it would be a very short game if in the prologue he just standed up and gutted Andras, but things like he in chapter one being already told that he is "the streght behind the twins" or something of the sort, but then he can still get killed some turns later like he is easily replaced, the game seems to not be sure if Rowan is important, or just weak and replaceable, strong , or pityfull. Just like it cant decide the twins power, amount of content aside. Are the twins unbetable or do they have limits? (Andras being aparently not impossible to hurt , the arrow did not break agaist his skin and, even if it was like hiting a wall of bricks he felt and was hurt by the elbowthing).

In a last point to this unnecessarily long, badly written post, are the twins going to get separated at some point? The whole chapter with Andras being the one with the most event provoking Rowan makes me think at some point either he will die/be betrayed by Jezera, or one of them is going to die and leave the other has the big bad, its just me? Is it a product of the limitations of events made by month?
The twins are all force no strategy. Just because the Twins CAN kill Rowan and WOULD kill Rowan doesn't make it SMART. It can be both true that Rowan is the secret power behind the Throne and that he can be killed on a whim.

The twins are also merely strong and not unbeatable. They get a lot of mileage from the use of a hostage.

Rowan can specifically resist mental domination, btw. He'd be the same as anyone if hit by a fireball. Ultimately, we have very specific plans for Act 2, and they reflect Rowan's changing mindset and Powerbase. As I'm sure you can understand, the ending of Act 1 is not something that allows the status quo to continue unbroken.

The rest I cannot answer.
 
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AlexWildfire

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The twins are all force no strategy. Just because the Twins CAN kill Rowan and WOULD kill Rowan doesn't make it SMART. It can be both true that Rowan is the secret power behind the Throne and that he can be killed on a whim.

The twins are also merely strong and not invisible. They get a lot of mileage from the use of a hostage.

Rowan can specifically resist mental domination, btw. He'd be the same as anyone if hit by a fireball. Ultimately, we have very specific plans for Act 2, and they reflect Rowan's changing mindset and Powerbase. As I'm sure you can understand, the ending of Act 1 is not something that allows the status quo to continue unbroken.

The rest I cannot answer.
Thanks for the aswer, the point about magic it was more because i remember reading in the description that the power Andras uses in the prologue can be resisted with willpower, the same strategy he used when faced with mental domination. But yes, thinking a bit more deeply would not change much when the twins were together.
Trying to be more direct so i dont sound like an asshole complaining that game does not let the mc win in chapter one, i just fail to understand where the "point of view" becomes "contradiction" or the fact one can, if luck decides it, get a full event chain that makes rowan seem stronger by the end, and still go to another, or the story events, where, since it would be humanly impossible to make every scene react to every past event, Rowan or another npc seems to regress.

All in all, i still like the game and will keep playing it (obvios but by coments i have seen some people give up on games for strange reasons), just was not expecting the werden route to end in such "all trouble for no gain" way.
Well more reason to see if our most unlucky protagonist learns to steal some of the plot conviences to not get caught in all steps of the atempt :p
 

AlexWildfire

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how's the NTR in this game? haven't played this in a long time
Very optional has far has i have seen, even if you allow it the game gives you ample way of avoiding it.
In a content wise, i am not sure because i tend to not get to many of them, but the ones i have seen involve more kissing , the wife of the mc giving the demon lord a hand job and things of the sort
 

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The twins are all force no strategy. Just because the Twins CAN kill Rowan and WOULD kill Rowan doesn't make it SMART. It can be both true that Rowan is the secret power behind the Throne and that he can be killed on a whim.

The twins are also merely strong and not invisible. They get a lot of mileage from the use of a hostage.

Rowan can specifically resist mental domination, btw. He'd be the same as anyone if hit by a fireball. Ultimately, we have very specific plans for Act 2, and they reflect Rowan's changing mindset and Powerbase. As I'm sure you can understand, the ending of Act 1 is not something that allows the status quo to continue unbroken.

The rest I cannot answer.
I think you mean invencible? :p

Anyway i wonder if you have anything planned around Rowan's resistance to mental spells.:unsure:
Plus i look forward to him making his own web of power influence to maybe someday kick the twins butts.
 

AlexWildfire

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A point i forgot to add, the cultist guy seems like a very interesting new piece in the board, some other characters have showed interest in Rowan, but the guy says o Jezera's face that he and his group are interested IN Rowan and not on the Twins, still does his part on turning dellane into a..doll? But job and pleasure dont mix and all that. He seems like an interesting possibelity, and the option of having an incubus servant inside the sanctum also gives some potencial.. if it does not become an
"Actualy whe knew everything you did, let us destroy it in front of your eyes", part 2 , but i sure hope not
 

Maveric

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Hopefully someone will unlock full gallery mode for those player got hard to find those scenes
 

TylerJ

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I wrote this to rant to myself feel free to ignore lol. and may not be that readable anyways cause im a bit drunk anyways hahha

Is there literally any advantage to being a hero in this game ever in any situation. Or is the game just about a hero coming to terms with the fact if he does not want to suffer he must be evil. The twins are omniscient immortal gods allied with super powered eldrich beings who know everything and can't be resisted, why is rowan even needed or is it some kind of fetish the twins have by crushing his naivety and last specs of hope? They do seem to get immense satisfaction over being ass holes, I get that the games going for witcher tone where nothing is black or white. But I ironically find it to be insanely black and white, just from a decision stand point instead of a morality viewpoint. In the witcher trying to do good is tough and no one decision is perfect there are consequences and drawbacks no matter what you do. But in this game every decision feels more like pick the obviously evil option to get some benefits at the expense of everyone else or pick the obviously moral option where you lose everything and gain nothing.
A commenter mentioned "Werden's route would perhaps mean more immediate misery, but also plant the seeds for long term rewards and assets" but I just don't see that happen unless the plot gets an insane Deus Ex Machina. Maybe there will be big changes and I'm being presumptuous but I just feel like I completely wasted my time trying to do a "good" play through, I just wanted to get my thoughts out and hope I didn't sound to whiny. Because I did still enjoy my first play through where I just fucked everyone over with no consequence to myself to get as many h scenes as possible lol. I had a lot of fun roleplaying as subservient scheming general who never resisted to gain the twins trust and backstab them and take their place as overlord Maybe that researcher lady would help the player if she became overlord or a goddess lol. I personally find that more fun than putting in more work to get objectively worse outcomes.
I could pretend rowan killed himself after the Werden route than new game plus it with the knowledge that being anything other than evil is a waste of his time and play as a tyrant. Or maybe I'm just too sensitive or not masochistic enough for this game, because even in my time playing the witcher although constantly shocked at the consequences and celebrated the small victories. I never felt like I was punched in the dick. I hope I don't come across as bitter and am glad others enjoyed the update. The dev clearly works hard on this game and it shows. Best of luck and I had a lot of fun for the most part and will definitely buy on steam once the full game is released. Even if just for the satisfaction of killing the twins if it ever becomes possible or having power over them or laughing at them as they beg for their lives. Oh yeah and that cute wolf girl definitely buy for her
Cheers
 
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