Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.11a Patreon] [Vénus Noire]
Alleykatt
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Excuse my philosophical naivety, but why would a deontologist not reward doing the right thing? Many religions are deontological and have divine rewards for their followers. To hold a deontological perspective one must only beleive that there exists a "right" action irrespective of consequences, but does not necessarily require reward or whitholding of reward for taking that action.
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I think you underestimate our planning and payoff if you think that the situation hasn't been laying set up for a resistance plot line. We've been laying pipeline for it for years. The Act 1 route ending is supposed to feel like shit. But, worry not. We understand that people want a meaningful hero pathway and we're preparing for the future of it.
Our philosophy for it is that "Rowan must earn his heroic ending". And golly gee willigers are we going to make him fight for it. But, the greater the challenge the greater the victory.
Also, I think the determining factor of reward in deontology is the meta-ethics. Kantians are the deontologists who don't believe in reward. And let me tell you, the bossman ain't exactly aboard that jesus train.
Our philosophy for it is that "Rowan must earn his heroic ending". And golly gee willigers are we going to make him fight for it. But, the greater the challenge the greater the victory.
Also, I think the determining factor of reward in deontology is the meta-ethics. Kantians are the deontologists who don't believe in reward. And let me tell you, the bossman ain't exactly aboard that jesus train.
Complex games with a wide array of possibilities tend to be the death of many deontologists. When given a number of reasonable choices, the "beauty" of being uncompromising tends to fade away pretty fast, and it starts feeling a lot more like inconsideration.
Part of the problem is that one of the main defenses of deontology is that you can't really tell a moral from an imoral action in an utilitarian framework until it is too late, but that's not really the case with video-games. Even if you get like, the most honest player in the world, who will never reload after a failed check, who will not look up any spoilers, you'd still have to deal with the thing that plagues just about every piece of fiction: the arbitrarity of the writer. And even if the writer was intent on quelling his own biases, and say, rolled a dice before deciding if the outcome for any moral action was going to be good or bad, you'd still have to deal with the issue of flawed information from imperfect communication, the doubt if a decision feels arbitrary because it is meant to feel arbitrary, or if it feels arbitrary because there is something the writer failed to successfuly convey to the reader.
I mean, and even then that's all assuming anyone actually wants that level of uncaring realism in their games, I definitely don't. I know being an utilitarian in video-games is easy as shit, but that's one of the main reasons I play video-games, the fantasy that there is an identifiable ideal set of actions (and I might even be able to take them one of these days).
Part of the problem is that one of the main defenses of deontology is that you can't really tell a moral from an imoral action in an utilitarian framework until it is too late, but that's not really the case with video-games. Even if you get like, the most honest player in the world, who will never reload after a failed check, who will not look up any spoilers, you'd still have to deal with the thing that plagues just about every piece of fiction: the arbitrarity of the writer. And even if the writer was intent on quelling his own biases, and say, rolled a dice before deciding if the outcome for any moral action was going to be good or bad, you'd still have to deal with the issue of flawed information from imperfect communication, the doubt if a decision feels arbitrary because it is meant to feel arbitrary, or if it feels arbitrary because there is something the writer failed to successfuly convey to the reader.
I mean, and even then that's all assuming anyone actually wants that level of uncaring realism in their games, I definitely don't. I know being an utilitarian in video-games is easy as shit, but that's one of the main reasons I play video-games, the fantasy that there is an identifiable ideal set of actions (and I might even be able to take them one of these days).
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I would be very happy to see my most positive theory (The ending of werden route just being the wake up call to Rowan to get his A game on) , but even that best solution just sounds like something that can not do much depending on the circumstance, ignoring the possibilities of things like, not knowing exactly the limitations of powers like Jezera's hability to teleport armys around or Andras hability to run head first into batles with no armour and exiting unscratechd, and saying that because Werden is alive he can prevent that 1 case of slaughter, was that worth in the long run?. The twins seem to have an almost omnecient amount of knowlagle when convenience apears (Not saying impossible to know knowlege but a bit more that it probably should for a beserker and a wana be mistress of intrigue/corruptres , at least without explanation on how) and by the look of it there is few things that make them react , they win they win, they lose a battle, would they even care that much beyond the pride?
Looking at the whole picture, and trying not to be bias, it looks to me that, at least for now, most of the hability to go against the twin in a way more that slightly annoy them seems to be the infiltration of Rowans own agents in the castle. Wich goes.. slow but steady at least , the beastmaster seems to like Rowan , altoght the extend of how far will he go for him is unknown, he can get an incubus inside X'zaratl brood, clan-min likes him, and for what its worth Skordred acepts Rowan has the power behind the throne of 2 arrogant demon childs , now, i dont know what the writers will do for the "do a bit of good where Rowan can" route, has far has i know he might has well go full sith and turn the anger into power, eventualy have the cultist guy undo the mask magic or something of the sort. But i am curios on how "worth it" that route might be since there is a great amount of uncertanty on what can be espected
I remember buying equipment from cla min and the Forge before, but I can't on this playthrough. Already week 60 but the shop option isnt there.
what happened to her exactly? I can't understand from her CG. I don't wanna start from the beginning.
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I'm sure this question has been asked before, but are there still time-limits to the main stories or can you take your time with the game, allowing you to find as many of the sex scenes as possible?
There are, but i am not sure what is , or if there is, a third time limit, there is the one for if you dont take over the keep in time and one if you get to week 60 without having done the orchiad and rastadel thing, after that i am not sure, probably not since the story does not go beyond that point.
That sucks. I'm not a big fan of games with time-limits...
Part of me so happy you have such great ambitions.
Another part of me don't wnna wait another 4 years =)
I mean not all of us survived long enough to see Hal Life Alex.
Friends we lost along the way...
OK is it intended for the night time scene where you discuss the Jaques coup with the skinny lady in black to trigger when you are on the Patricia route? It happens right after the parade after taking that outpost for warden.
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Here is a save file at the parade. I would just ignore this and play through it, but I feel like it would break my game somehow, because it opens up areas that are mentioned in what seems like the Jaques path (barracks, northside alley).
Cuhulu Disciple
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Time limit is temporary, you are free roaming after main quest is done, just dont trigger game over and you can explore the game.