Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.11a Patreon] [Vénus Noire]

[monk_56]

Some would say the feminized bitch boy fits better the NTR aspect of the game.

Agreed of course Fleep. But then again the SoC devs vehemently posit that SoC is not a NTR game- rather, it is a game with NTR routes. Its supposed to be a kink route- not the whole plot; so the new art direction in regards to Rowan makes more sense. He shouldn't always be portrayed as weak and sexually incompetent- that vibe should be specific to the Kink routes that benefit from the vibe. Still pretty annoyed by how incredibly tiny Rowan looks in general- but at least its a little better.

I would not Subscribe to the old school SoC game- but now that it is starting to have things like tasteful poly femdom (X'zaratl), Maledom route for Rowan (Liurial), the inkling of a FxFXM poly route (Hel, eventaully) / harem route for Rowan (Cla tribe, that new art on Patreon; fuckin wow friendos!), I am very interested in the title. Previously I loved the story- but I found the game really un-sexy; it has started to be both for me.

There are still many areas of the game that smash your face into the concept that Rowan is sexually unequal or inept (art in particular)- but it is not as pervasive as it used to be- and the vibes are more tangible / extreme to the specific routes that are supposed to include it. Which is appropriate.

I'm looking forward to similarly robust routes that that sexually empower Rowan instead of diminishing him; but the game should also have more routes that diminish him as well.

(IIRC, Fleep is looking forward to that Rowan x Jezera NPC route- when it gets worked on- I imagine it will allow for either vibe depending on how the Player navigates it.)

The devs are constantly having to find a middle ground in some of the content b/t dis-empowering and empowering the MCs- sexually, artistically, and narratively.

It is a difficult balancing act for the company- particularly in regards to Alexia who has a stupid number of variables for a NPC. The whole thing should get easier as the specific narratives get pushed further down their paths in game two.

 

[Nym85]

I have to say, I would appreciate if down the line, the few outdoor male/male encounters for Rowan actually let him be versatile, CHOOSING whether he wants to be top or bottom (or possibly allowing for flips). I know that would require additional art but given that those encounters, as well as I can remember them have nothing to do with dominance but rather are more about camaraderie, shouldn't automatically make Rowan bottom.
The ones in the castle are with harder defined characters that have a more clear relationship with Rowan but a friendly adventurer or smuggler should not automatically be a top.

Also, being a bottom does not mean you are submissive. It's sad how prevalent that concept is in media but it's just not the truth.

 

[perles75]

It's been quite some time since I haven't checked on this title so I'm curious... is the m/m content decreased or increased (or stayed the same) in the recent updates (say, during this year)?

 

[Ano85]

I have to say, I would appreciate if down the line, the few outdoor male/male encounters for Rowan actually let him be versatile, CHOOSING whether he wants to be top or bottom (or possibly allowing for flips). I know that would require additional art but given that those encounters, as well as I can remember them have nothing to do with dominance but rather are more about camaraderie, shouldn't automatically make Rowan bottom.
The ones in the castle are with harder defined characters that have a more clear relationship with Rowan but a friendly adventurer or smuggler should not automatically be a top.

Also, being a bottom does not mean you are submissive. It's sad how prevalent that concept is in media but it's just not the truth.

I complained about this some time ago. The devs here frequently mentioned that the players should have the option to decide the sexuality of the characters they play, but I guess that doesn't involve the slight nuance of M/M stuff. I don't expect that to change sadly.

Among castle characters, Rowan still defaults as submissive/bottom to Greyhide, despite Greyhide himself being submissive to both Rowan and Alexia even outside their sexual relationships. The only time Rowan has the guts to lead is during one of the threesome scenes after the Andras conflict and I'm not sure what the explanation for that is. I think Greyhide is being mishandled and reduced to just big minotaur dick. This is just my opinion here, but it feels forced.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

It's been quite some time since I haven't checked on this title so I'm curious... is the m/m content decreased or increased (or stayed the same) in the recent updates (say, during this year)?

I believe the proportion remained mostly the same but don't quote me on that. One of the devs should be able to better answer this.

 

[helical_mode]

Well, I prefer the old style (brighter), but I don't really care that much either way.

 

[azel1]

This ''game'' has been around for over 5 years and it's not even halfway done. Who would play this pile of shit? I don't care how much effort goes into it, there's no excuses for making/releasing a game like this. Ridiculous. I played (and quite enjoyed) it a year or so ago but when I saw the development progressing at a snail's pace and the creators constantly changing and overhauling things, I said ''screw this'' and never touched it again. I hope the 15 year wait is worth it, folks. We never waited this long for Final Fantasy Versus XIII, and yet some people will wait for a fucking porn game

 

[helical_mode]

You can't compare it to a fucking commercial video game made by Square Enix, that's absurd. And Seeds of Chaos is probably the best done fantasy 2D game there is around, period, though I don't really know that many.

 

[uncommonsence]

the best done fantasy 2D game there is around, period, though I don't really know that many.

dats super rofly

 

[perles75]

This ''game'' has been around for over 5 years and it's not even halfway done. Who would play this pile of shit? I don't care how much effort goes into it, there's no excuses for making/releasing a game like this. Ridiculous. I played (and quite enjoyed) it a year or so ago but when I saw the development progressing at a snail's pace and the creators constantly changing and overhauling things, I said ''screw this'' and never touched it again. I hope the 15 year wait is worth it, folks. We never waited this long for Final Fantasy Versus XIII, and yet some people will wait for a fucking porn game

you really don't know how these in-progress games work, do you?
Also, you played it and enjoyed it, but now it's a piece of shit? make up your mind.

 

[Rein]

This ''game'' has been around for over 5 years and it's not even halfway done. Who would play this pile of shit? I don't care how much effort goes into it, there's no excuses for making/releasing a game like this. Ridiculous. I played (and quite enjoyed) it a year or so ago but when I saw the development progressing at a snail's pace and the creators constantly changing and overhauling things, I said ''screw this'' and never touched it again. I hope the 15 year wait is worth it, folks. We never waited this long for Final Fantasy Versus XIII, and yet some people will wait for a fucking porn game

Alright.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

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Anyway Merry Christmas to everyone, even the troll.

 

[rivon]

Me and Jesus Christ waiting for Helayna update.
in the desert.


P.s. Meanwhile Winter: I think i've got Covid.

 

[azel1]

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Anyway Merry Christmas to everyone, even the troll.

Merry Christmas to you, too. Enjoy the wait for the next bit of content, I'm sure it'll be totally worth it

 

[azel1]

You can't compare it to a fucking commercial video game made by Square Enix, that's absurd. And Seeds of Chaos is probably the best done fantasy 2D game there is around, period, though I don't really know that many.

That's the point. People are giving it a pass *because* it's a smaller independent thing, even though that's no excuse. The amount of times they've fucking added something worthwhile or progressed the main story in any way..I can count them on one hand. From the way people on this thread are talking about it and analysing it like it's Tolkien or something, you'd think it *was* a massive AAA game. I mean, come on....

 

[Oriandu]

This ''game'' has been around for over 5 years and it's not even halfway done. Who would play this pile of shit? I don't care how much effort goes into it, there's no excuses for making/releasing a game like this. Ridiculous. I played (and quite enjoyed) it a year or so ago but when I saw the development progressing at a snail's pace and the creators constantly changing and overhauling things, I said ''screw this'' and never touched it again. I hope the 15 year wait is worth it, folks. We never waited this long for Final Fantasy Versus XIII, and yet some people will wait for a fucking porn game

Not sure if serious or unaware that Versus XIII was in development hell for so long it got turned into XV... Which was in development for significantly longer than SoC has been.

 

[Ixykins]

You can't compare it to a fucking commercial video game made by Square Enix, that's absurd. And Seeds of Chaos is probably the best done fantasy 2D game there is around, period, though I don't really know that many.

Check out Oathbreaker.

 

[azel1]

Not sure if serious or unaware that Versus XIII was in development hell for so long it got turned into XV... Which was in development for significantly longer than SoC has been.

That was my point. This thing has already been going on for over 5 years and it's not even halfway done! I doubt it's even a third of the way through...I remember someone mentioning that they're still on Act I. What?!? And for what?! A freakin' porn game...

 

[Big Green]

That was my point. This thing has already been going on for over 5 years and it's not even halfway done! I doubt it's even a third of the way through...I remember someone mentioning that they're still on Act I. What?!? And for what?! A freakin' porn game...

Because of people like you we get so little quality porn games. Do you rally think that if it's a porn game it has to be shit fast fap material??

 

[Oriandu]

That was my point. This thing has already been going on for over 5 years and it's not even halfway done! I doubt it's even a third of the way through...I remember someone mentioning that they're still on Act I. What?!? And for what?! A freakin' porn game...

That was most certainly not your point as it is completely incompatible with your point. FFXIII Versus was canceled and the remnants were turned into something else, which did not go through the same level of development hell that Versus did. You're using an example that is inherently different from Seeds of Chaos, made by a team of hundreds of people with experienced as opposed to a small handful people who quite honestly have no idea how to properly develop a video game. This is a patreon funded project and as a result is not something that can be compared to any kind of professionally developed and published project. Your example ignores the actual method in which the games are developed, how many people worked on them, the external forces they had to contend with, and many other elements of game development. Your point is without merit and quite frankly is moronic.