Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.11a Patreon] [Vénus Noire]

[FluffyBunnyCarrotStick]

Finally got around to playing a version of 0.3.x, or at least part of the new intro. Just finished the new Andras-Alexia scene, and I have to say, I'm not sure this really does the intended job of making her feel like she has more agency. Yes, the decision to have sex with Andras is entirely hers now, but it feels out of character (though obviously this is subject to interpretation) and, more importantly, feels very similar to how the female lead will eventually just melt for the half-decent-looking asshole protagonist in your typical 80s B-movie despite having zero reason to do so in-character. And yes, while you can, on Alexia's behalf, choose NOT to do that, the way the choice is written after making the choice—not to mention the choice itself—suffers pretty significantly from these problems. As currently written, I really don't feel like Alexia has any reason to choose "Kiss him" beyond the player just wanting to see what comes after, which is also reflected, I think, in how many people have posted here asking how to get to that scene—they're not making the right choice to get to it because that choice feel weird and OOC.

I think I preferred (one of?) the previous way of doing it, where she chooses to sleep with him in order to protect Rowan without knowing he's already in the castle. It feels more in character, and while it IS for the sake of her husband, it still felt like her choice. The way it's currently written sort of hints at her attraction to Andras, but not nearly to the extent that she jumps his bones almost immediately after learning he's been lying to her the whole time and her beloved husband has been tortured and imprisoned for months; and the lack of agency implicit in that at least reinforced Alexia and Rowan's positions, where the current scenario does nothing of the sort.

I know another rework at this point is unlikely, but personally, I think the way I would have done it would be to preserve Rowan's choice on whether to try to find Alexia or not, and then either way, given Alexia the choice on whether to sleep with Andras afterwards. In the event Rowan didn't visit Alexia, I'd have left her choice about whether to sleep with Andras as a guarantee of protection, and in the event that he did, I'd have the choice for the hate fuck scenario, with some modifications—perhaps have Andras forcefully kiss her before the choice to at least give some potential build-up of passion, and then have the choice be between "Pull away" (with slapping and yelling afterwards) and "Kiss him back" (leading to the hate fuck).

In fact, I could see a scenario where you have both—Alexia choosing to fuck Andras to protect Rowan one week, only to learn after the fact that Rowan is still alive but succumbing to the passion built by that initial round for a hate fuck scenario afterwards, though fitting that in, writing another scene, and making art for it would certainly be more of an ordeal.

I dunno, the new sex scene just rings hollow to me as is. On the positive side, I do think giving her the choice on whether to warm up to him earlier on was a good move, and most of the rest of the new intro (that I've played) feels at least equal to, or even an improvement on, what came before.

I completely agree with your assessment. The changes made, feel more shallow and actually quite weird vs. what they originally were. I was disappointed with the change, and it seriously took away from that entire story line for me. Just my opinion though.

 

[diebesgrab]

I'm hoping the game allows for Rowan to be more 'active' in the sex scenes with Jezera instead of just doing whatever she wants. Femdom isn't really my thing so I took the chance for Rowan to try and put her in her place in a dominant way. She blue balled Rowan but its not like he doesn't have willpower. I shrugged it off and figured that Rowan would have another chance to play with Jezera on his own terms particularly if he's been supporting her and not Andras. Who knows she like Cliohna and X'Zaratl could be possible love interests for Rowan in the endgame so I'm hoping there isn't just a singular route with her as her being the dominant. An equal or Rowan dominant relationship could be worked towards as the plot progresses and Rowan gets more powerful.

There are certain characters that, within the realm of the sex scenes, are there to fulfill a single fetish. Jezera is pretty much THE femdom character—I think the odds of getting femsub scenes with her before the ending are about as good as the chances of getting femdom scenes with Liurial.

 

[monk_56]

There are certain characters that, within the realm of the sex scenes, are there to fulfill a single fetish. Jezera is pretty much THE femdom character—I think the odds of getting femsub scenes with her before the ending are about as good as the chances of getting femdom scenes with Liurial.

Maybe. I more or less agree- particularly within the scope of game one.

But I do think the fact that Jezera is a more major character, while Liurial is a more minor character might add an extra layer of duality to Jezera's sexual content in the second and third game before the ending.

Overlord path won't be much of a path if you stay a Sub all the way up until the end of the title.

 

[WatsonJohn]

Kinda sad that the mods are still not updated.

 

[diebesgrab]

Maybe. I more or less agree- particularly within the scope of game one.

But I do think the fact that Jezera is a more major character, while Liurial is a more minor character might add an extra layer of duality to Jezera's sexual content in the second and third game before the ending.

Overlord path won't be much of a path if you stay a Sub all the way up until the end of the title.

Because you can't have an overlord path without Jezera sex scenes? If you don't want to be a sub, don't sleep with Jezera.

 

[jewtube]

Am I the only one who despises the scene where Andras drugs Alexia with an enchanted box? It's supposed to be their first "real" sex scene yet it feels the exact opposite of real.

The way the scene just throws away all of the carefully built up guilt/temptation/lust, simply turning Alexia into what's essentially a brainless sex-driven bimbo, not only undermines the narrative efforts made previously but also ruins what could've been an immensely satisfying climax to this very important subplot.

It's so exquisitely drawn, animated even, yet entirely sabotaged by the writing.

 

[Antera]

So from what I get and read. This game is NTR Fem Dom Orgy?
All I wanted was some good dark fantasy

 

[T51bwinterized]

So from what I get and read. This game is NTR Fem Dom Orgy?
All I wanted was some good dark fantasy

The game is a "pick what you want" in terms of kinks. NTR is optional. Femdom is almost entirely optional. If you just want dark fantasy, you can get it without needing to overburden yourself with kinks you dislike.

 

[spitfire335]

Maybe. I more or less agree- particularly within the scope of game one.

But I do think the fact that Jezera is a more major character, while Liurial is a more minor character might add an extra layer of duality to Jezera's sexual content in the second and third game before the ending.

Overlord path won't be much of a path if you stay a Sub all the way up until the end of the title.

My thoughts exactly. A player wanting to play as an Overlord and going through the game gaining power doesn’t make sense in submitting to Jezera later down the line when Rowan has actual power and influence. I assume there will be options for an equal at least relationship with Jezera if Rowan picks her as his primary love interest near the ending of the game. I’m just saying that there can be steps taken now that don’t necessarily equate to Jezera being submissive that hint at a more powerful Rowan getting Jezera to be his in another way rather than the femdom available now.

 

[polo12]

So I came across these pictures of a character called Roisin.
Are these fanarts? Planned content? Cut content?
Art style seems pretty consistent with momdadno's though.

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[T51bwinterized]

So I came across these pictures of a character called Roisin.
Are these fanarts? Planned content? Cut content?
Art style seems pretty consistent with momdadno's though.

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Planned character we didn't quite make work. There's still some desire to do her content, if only to do something with her assets. But we've got so much on our plate already that trying to tackle her is daunting.

 

[yanngolder]

I love this game. Anyone know when the next update is out?

 

[errte13]

I love this game. Anyone know when the next update is out?

Patreon ver update every 2 months, last update was late March so expect late May.

 

[monk_56]

Because you can't have an overlord path without Jezera sex scenes? If you don't want to be a sub, don't sleep with Jezera.

Making the primary antagonists submit sexually is pretty crucial to an overlord path in my mind- particularly since Jezera specifically uses sex and sexuality as a form of power and control. Gotta grab that uno-reverse card on her bitch ass at some point. What is the point of making such absolutely despicable antagonists if we cannot get all sorts of flavors of cathartic revenge?

For non-antagonist characters I agree. Where the fem-dom is more about what happens in the bedroom and less about antagonsim/control it doesn't matter. X'zaratl's content being fem-dom for example. So far it has been harmless fun and I've been happy to have Rowan submit to her and Alexia. It wouldn't detract from Overlord pathing to never have more dominant scenes with her.

 

[perles75]

with the current balance of power, if Jezera is dominated in a scene it's because she wants it (basically a role-playing): Rowan has no real control. I can't imagine any other scenario considering how her mind is wired. (same for Andras)

Of course, things can -and probably will, in some paths- change in the future (it will be interesting to see how), but the whole act I and probably a big chunk of the future is like that.

 

[perles75]

This game would have been much better if they had kept the original artist and if they didnt go back and rewrite everything. It had great potential to be the best game in existence, and then they began the rewrites and hired an artist who can't hold a candle to the original one, and let him erase the previous work. Too bad, its a cautionary tale of impermanence in games.

*in your opinion

 

[gamingdevil800]

This game would have been much better if they had kept the original artist and if they didnt go back and rewrite everything. It had great potential to be the best game in existence, and then they began the rewrites and hired an artist who can't hold a candle to the original one, and let him erase the previous work. Too bad, its a cautionary tale of impermanence in games.

I don't believe you've actually seen some of the "original" art for certain scenes. Loads of sex scenes in this game had really cartoony or inconsistent art till they started replacing them.

 

[Rein]

With the variety of content this game has, people should stop trying to categorize SoC. Just play the game, see for yourself if you like it.

 

[Nym85]

Making the primary antagonists submit sexually is pretty crucial to an overlord path in my mind- particularly since Jezera specifically uses sex and sexuality as a form of power and control. Gotta grab that uno-reverse card on her bitch ass at some point. What is the point of making such absolutely despicable antagonists if we cannot get all sorts of flavors of cathartic revenge?

For non-antagonist characters I agree. Where the fem-dom is more about what happens in the bedroom and less about antagonsim/control it doesn't matter. X'zaratl's content being fem-dom for example. So far it has been harmless fun and I've been happy to have Rowan submit to her and Alexia. It wouldn't detract from Overlord pathing to never have more dominant scenes with her.

Fully agree that this is something that should happen. But logically it would be something that happens in the final act, maybe at the finale for the second act. So you know, a decade from now.

 

[diebesgrab]

Making the primary antagonists submit sexually is pretty crucial to an overlord path in my mind- particularly since Jezera specifically uses sex and sexuality as a form of power and control. Gotta grab that uno-reverse card on her bitch ass at some point. What is the point of making such absolutely despicable antagonists if we cannot get all sorts of flavors of cathartic revenge?

Which makes sense—at the end of the story. Having equal or dominant interactions with ordinarily dominant female characters is a kink that’s already being developed—just not with Jezera. I don’t see why every dominant female character has to submit to Rowan by the start of act three; I hardly expect Draith or Liurial to start domming him in that time period.

It’s a bit of a shame, really—it seems like we have the seeds of dominant characters eventually submitting to Rowan, but I don’t know that we have the opposite. Alexia, I guess, but she’s a deuteragonist with her own choices separate from Rowan, and doesn’t start out especially submissive to him.