Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.12a Non-Patreon] [Vénus Noire]

[blufalcon]

Is there like a beginner guide to this game? I'm constantly failing because I'm missing skillchecks all the time. The Walkthrough in the OP is just how you see the scenes, but I'm just trying to not constantly get the Eternal Prisoner game over.

 

[Deleted member 40068]

What's the usual timetable till public release/here? Don't mind waiting, just wondering...

 

[Bababoooey]

Oh, by the way. Nice update.

I managed to get it through... the 'usual suspect'... Y'know, the one that got banned in Australia because of the actions of a certain person who I will not name.

Suffice to say, I had to do some dark-webby shit in order to get around the block in order to get my thieving, Piratey-ass Aussie hands on the new Update. Fuckin' Worth the risk of being virused or assasinated!

All because I want to see Rowan taking it up the ass.

If you have the update, do you mind sharing it, please?

 

[TheSexinati]

If you have the update, do you mind sharing it, please?

Here they are. But first, you must listen to the Pirate music, preferably whilst downloading! Listening to Pirate music whilst Pirating is non-negiotiable.


PC:

You must be registered to see the links

Mac:

You must be registered to see the links

 

[Rein]

You know Sexinati, seeing you, of all people, sharing that link... I know most pirates don't really care for the dev team, but I thought you at the very least would know better than this.

I suppose not.

 

[Hekzow]

You.

Gonna asked here because it might be quicker.
If I, in theory, wanted to become the lowest tier patron (yeah yeah cheap bastard) would the time to do it be tomorrow, to start off the new month, or today? Will it charge me for March if I do it today?

I have zero idea how patron works by the way.

 

[TheSexinati]

You know Sexinati, seeing you, of all people, sharing that link... I know most pirates don't really care for the dev team, but I thought you at the very least would know better than this.

I suppose not.

It's been several days since the last update came out, whilst the links I got them from have been up since the very first day it came out. I could have just as easily posted the links when I found them, but I held back on doing so because I have my own sympathies regarding SOC.

In the grand scheme of things, the game was going to be leaked anyway. You'd be lucky if F95zone wasn't able to obtain a version outside of a week. It is pretty much inevitable that F95zone would get their hands on the new version within a week of the release.

People were going to get their hands on it. At least they can, partially, get it through someone who actually enjoys the product. The leaker probably wouldn't have given two fucks about your game. I held off of posting it for a day or so. For no other reason but my own feelings regarding SOC. Of course, you are free to write about "Your loyalty is false loyalty" "You are not a real fan!" or some similar diatribe, as is your right.

Any other game, if I had links for them... I would have shared them in a second.

If this in anyway changes your opinion of me, that is fine. This is a site that is pretty much catered towards Piracy. If you expected me to not be a Pirate, on a Piracy site, don't be alarmed when I start singing shanties out of the blue.

Honestly, I've been broadcasting it out that I am a pirate, on here and on SOC's Discord. I'm surprised you didn't think that I was.

In regards to the game, I have stood where I have since March 7th 2017, Where I first laid my eyes down on a post written by Arioch on Fenoxo's forum, where I first witnessed the game. I stand here today, with same-said feeling. This is a feeling that, somewhere, somehow. This game is going to be great.

You need only to look below, to see where I stand.

 

[Rein]

Depends on how the Patreon account is set up. I believe we charge upfront on subscription, so you'd be charged today for march, and on the first of April as well.

It's better to subscribe on the first of the month. This is also why there's always a dip in backers at the end of the month, as people choose not to renew the subscription, but it doesn't register till the first of the next month.

 

[pizbia]

That new scene with Alexia x Jezera was really well written. I think whoever wrote that deserves a pat on the back, because I think they really nailed what Jezera's appeal is. They're actually succeeding in creating a legitimate character with personality in a porn game, which isn't easy. Not all the characters, but you can actually take certain snippets of dialogue, e.g. from Jezera, Andras, Alexia, Cliohna, and Nasim, and you can probably distinguish which line is said by whom based on how they speak. It's really cool seeing how the devs seem to care about the game.

And now that I think about it, what's also so good about the writing and what you almost never have in these games is how the characters actually seem to have motivations of their own, and aren't just acting for the sake of exposition.

I'm actually a bit torn, because I thoroughly hate the patreon system and the site itself and how it incentivises scummy behaviour, but it is actually really cool to see how far this thing has come since the first version when it was basically an introduction and a small maid trainer thing.

The fertility treatment with Nasim sounds like a really cool arc, btw. Alexia's plotline in general is really coming into its own.

 

[Bababoooey]

Here they are. But first, you must listen to the Pirate music, preferably whilst downloading! Listening to Pirate music whilst Pirating is non-negiotiable.


PC:

You must be registered to see the links

Mac:

You must be registered to see the links

thanks

 

[Rein]

In the grand scheme of things, the game was going to be leaked anyway.

Sexinati, I’ll answer with a quote to what I consider to be one of the best books I have ever read.

“Do you understand what I'm saying?"
shouted Moist. "You can't just go around killing people!"
"Why Not? You Do." The golem lowered his arm.
"What?" snapped Moist. "I do not! Who told you that?"
"I Worked It Out. You Have Killed Two Point Three Three Eight People," said the golem calmly.
"I have never laid a finger on anyone in my life, Mr Pump. I may be–– all the things you know I am, but I am not a killer! I have never so much as drawn a sword!"
"No, You Have Not. But You Have Stolen, Embezzled, Defrauded And Swindled Without Discrimination, Mr Lipvig. You Have Ruined Businesses And Destroyed Jobs. When Banks Fail, It Is Seldom Bankers Who Starve. Your Actions Have Taken Money From Those Who Had Little Enough To Begin With. In A Myriad Small Ways You Have Hastened The Deaths Of Many. You Do Not Know Them. You Did Not See Them Bleed. But You Snatched Bread From Their Mouths And Tore Clothes From Their Backs. For Sport, Mr Lipvig. For Sport. For The Joy Of The Game.”
― Terry Pratchett, Going Postal

I know that if people try hard, they’ll get a link somewhere. It’s impossible to prevent. But every day they don’t find one, every site they visit that doesn’t have it, there is a small, small, chance someone will go “You know what, I might as well subscribe, 5$ dollars isn’t that much”. And that is money that goes into scene, artworks, general programming improvement, and all the stuff that makes people go “Whoa, this game is really good!”. Every little bit helps up improve and expand.

But for some people, these 5$ dollars will be too much. I get it, I really do. Not everyone has the money to pay for porn, and I’m not going to expect someone who lives paycheck to paycheck to find the cash to support us. So if they have to pirate it, then fine – but at the very bloody least, I expect them to feel bad about it. Because there’s 1268 guys who pay real money every month for keeping SoC alive, and it’s their contribution that gives all of you a game to pirate.

So no Sexinati, I don’t expect you not to pirate. But I would appreciate you didn’t contribute to what is quite literally stealing intellectual property, and if you absolutely have to do it, then at the very least it, don’t act all jolly about it, because that just feels like a slap to the face for me.

And now that I think about it, what's also so good about the writing and what you almost never have in these games is how the characters actually seem to have motivations of their own, and aren't just acting for the sake of exposition.

A considerable amount of time is being put into character lore. Almost every character has a 6+ page google doc that summarizes their backstory, sexual preferences, character and goals. A good character isn’t just a couple of fetishes stuck together – it’s one with a personality.

 

[TheSexinati]

I expect them to feel bad about it.

don’t act all jolly about it, because that just feels like a slap to the face for me.

With the lyrics being...

"Piracy's a crime and crime doesn't pay
And we go home poor at the end of the day
But I'd rather live my life in rags
Than be chained to a desk with a wife that's a hag
We live each day like there's nothing to lose
But a man has needs and that need is booze
They say all the best things in life are free
So give all your beer and your rum to me"

Ironically, I have chosen the song exactly for the reason you are quoting me for. That we, pirates, are poor.

Why do I have a song about pirates when I provide links? Because I am unironically making fun of myself, and, others.

If you don't think I'm making fun of myself by the song choice, here is a earlier quote.

Once I can sell some spoons and shit... I'll see about becoming a Patron.

Like literally, selling spoons. Because that is what I do. I'm a novice wood carver, who says "Fuck you, I'm not going to work at a Macdonalds!"...

I do what I love, lol.

You will notice how the lyrics go. "But I'd rather live my life in rags, Than be chained to a desk with a wife that's a hag" Which is perfectly mirrored by my "Macdonalds" comment.

The song, therefore, is a massive diss at myself.

And upon posting the video, I want people to feel bad. At the same time, I want people to feel happy.

As you have quoted Terry Pratchett, Allow me to quote Francois Rabelais, from the introduction of his book Gargantua and Pantagruel. These words have been influential in my life.

"Readers, friends, if you turn these pages
Put your prejudice aside,
For, really, there's nothing here that's outrageous,
Nothing sick, or bad — or contagious.
Not that I sit here glowing with pride
For my book: all you'll find is laughter:
That's all the glory my heart is after,
Seeing how sorrow eats you, defeats you.
I'd rather write about laughing than crying,
For laughter makes men human, and courageous.
BE HAPPY!"

This is the reason why I have chosen the song. I have chosen the song because we should feel like shit, but we should also feel happy. We are alive.

The song, as far as my intention of using it, is to poke fun at us pirates in general. Let the words "Piracy's a Crime and Crime doesn't pay" be the first things that people hear from the song. Then let the music bring people back up.

Additionally, I feel you may have misconstrued 'Jolly'. My intent of the video was not to be 'jolly', it is meant to be Ironic on the part of us Pirates, in an upbeat manner. If it feels like a slap to you, I will apologize for bringing that feeling about.

I would not aim to slap you, because I am a writer myself, and therefore I know where you are coming from. It would never be my intent to hurt you in any fashion what so ever.

Edit: In other words, I am the temporarily impoverished person you are talking about, making fun of myself.

 

[Rein]

It would never be my intent to hurt you in any fashion what so ever.

Sexinati, providing the links and spreading the pirated content is quite literary hurting our financial situation. And no amount of self awareness is going to change that fact.

And upon posting the video, I want people to feel bad. At the same time, I want people to feel happy.

I commend you on on a wholesome philosophy, but perhaps you should consider if spreading joy though pirating other’s people work is something to take pride in.

Something to think about when the next update rolls out.

 

[Retromancer]

what I consider to be one of the best books I have ever read.

Not trying to derail the discussion, but this x1000. Making Money is just as good, on the small chance you haven't read it.

 

[Rein]

Making Money is just as good, on the small chance you haven't read it.

I’m afraid I can’t agree. Going Postal is *tight*. Moist Von Lipvig is an amazing character, but it’s the plot structure that really sells it. Everything is driven by character actions, it’s an elaborate game where Vetinari, Moist and Reacher are all trying to out-gamble one another. Every element of the story serves as purpose, even something as silly as Stanley’s pin obsession leading to the creation of stamps. And the overarching plot of Moist inadvertently conning himself into being a better person is probably the best redemption arc I’ve ever read.

No one does. I can’t stand this, Moist thought. “Look, I know what I’m like,” he said. “I’m not the person everyone thinks I am. I just wanted to prove to myself I’m not like Gilt. More than a hammer, you understand? But I’m still a fraud by trade. I thought you knew that. I can fake sincerity so well that even I can’t tell. I mess with people’s heads—”

“You’re fooling no one but yourself,” said Miss Dearheart, and reached for his hand.

Moist shook her of , and ran out of the building, out of the city, and back to his old life, or lives, always moving on, selling glass as diamond, but somehow it just didn’t seem to work anymore, the flair wasn’t there, the fun had dropped out of it, even the cards didn’t seem to work for him, the money ran out, and one winter in some inn that was no more than a slum he turned his face to the wall—

And an angel appeared.

“What just happened?” said Miss Dearheart.

Perhaps you do get two…

“Only a passing thought,” said Moist. He let the golden glow rise. He’d fooled them all, even her. But the good bit was that he could go on doing it, he didn’t have to stop. All he had to do was remind himself, every few months, that he could quit anytime. Provided he knew he could, he’d never have to.

Making money has the same wit and the same charming characters, but it lacks the narrative structure of Going Postal. Which makes it just very good, rather than amazing.

 

[Proto Persona]

You know Sexinati, seeing you, of all people, sharing that link... I know most pirates don't really care for the dev team, but I thought you at the very least would know better than this.

I suppose not.

You're posting on a site dedicated to piracy. Expecting any member of this forum, no matter how familiar you are with them, to have a stance against sharing your work is just silly.

The value of your work is inherently subjective, and for many that value is the same amount as what people pay for Pornhub. No amount of limiting access to your game is going to change that value assessment.

Not trying to derail the discussion, but this x1000. Making Money is just as good, on the small chance you haven't read it.

I’m afraid I can’t agree. Going Postal is *tight*. Moist Von Lipvig is an amazing character, but it’s the plot structure that really sells it. Everything is driven by character actions, it’s an elaborate game where Vetinari, Moist and Reacher are all trying to out-gamble one another. Every element of the story serves as purpose, even something as silly as Stanley’s pin obsession leading to the creation of stamps. And the overarching plot of Moist inadvertently conning himself into being a better person is probably the best redemption arc I’ve ever read.




Making money has the same wit and the same charming characters, but it lacks the narrative structure of Going Postal. Which makes it just very good, rather than amazing.

I liked both of those books, but I think my favorite is the 3rd entry:

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. The characters gain an interesting depth to them, especially Moist.

 

[TheSexinati]

Regarding Terry Prattchet, never read the discworld books, or any of his books for that matter, though I have wanted to read them as they have been recommended to me.

Sexinati, providing the links and spreading the pirated content is quite literary hurting our financial situation. And no amount of self awareness is going to change that fact.

I don't really see how I am literally hurting your financial situation... I'm not there in your house stealing your money, nor am I there nerd-spasming out about Seeds-of-Chaos things or saying you should write more Greyhide scenes, which is probably what I would do If I was literally able to be in your presence, I'd be too busy Nerd-gasming to steal anything at all. Virtually would be a better word to use in this instance, literarily speaking.

If the only people left behind who are not patreons are people who want the game but don't have money cannot become patreon subscribers, then in all reality I've not done anything except provide them with what they want... which can be good or bad. Once they have money, they could become patreons.

Someone who is 'financially-abled' could pick up the game and try it, and then decide to 'commit'.

But then, said 'financially-abled' person might go "Hah, I'm not paying for this" and still play the game. Because people can be just like this.

Essentially, who knows how it goes. I could be hurting your business, yes. On the otherhand, the piracy could be helping your business also. There have been cases were Internet piracy actually helped people become successful. It can also be harmful.

Additionally, I am sure there are other factors that could be hurting your financial situation other than piracy. People might have lost their jobs, the holidays might be coming up and don't want to pay, et cetera. This seems to happen a lot in Patreon. I'm also sure that the negative comments by butt-hurt people in 4-chan circles calling it "Seed-of-Cucks" and etcetera is not helping things either.

And I am speaking directly as a person who is in one of these categories. I've bought several games because I pirated them and loved them. I would not have bought them If I did not try them out. I would have never pledged $60 towards Kingdom Come Deliverance If I never tried the Alpha, which I had torrented. That game Is literally my favourite game of 2018.

I don't think you can say that I am literally hurting your financial situation. I could be, or I might not be. I might not even have any impact at all. I'd suppose the best you could say is that... I'm 'a variable'.

Overall, I'd say that my actions as a 'pirate' hurting the Seeds of Chaos team would probably have about the same impact as my Year 10 English certificate towards getting me a job recommendation. Which is to say, not very much, if at all.

Another variable, however, Is word-of-mouth. I've recommended this game to several like minded people over the internet. I'm not sure if any of them became patreons, but they've heard about it. I will continue to say good things about Seeds of Chaos.

Whether I am a net positive or negative, is up to viewer preference. Without having solid stats, who knows. What you have said could be fact. Or it could not.

Either way. The person you want to be pissed at are the 'fans' who leak the data. Without them, this conversation would not be happening And the world would be Hunky Dory. But this is the real world, unfortunately enough.

I guess you could look at this from the observance that I am a cunt, from your point of view. But At least compared to the asshole who laid out a bag full of dogshit on your front door, cunts are probably preferable. Although, If you are an Australian, the reference would be different. I would be a 'Good' cunt, and the asshole would be a 'Shit' cunt. Suffice to say, we have a lot of 'cunts' in our language.

I commend you on on a wholesome philosophy, but perhaps you should consider if spreading joy though pirating other’s people work is something to take pride in.

I never said I have pride in pirating anything. As for joy. Joy is joy, If joy has been gotten through conventional or other means, joy would still be joy. Though, that would probably be a matter of semantics rather than of philosophy.

 

[Theboss3213]

Is there like a beginner guide to this game? I'm constantly failing because I'm missing skillchecks all the time. The Walkthrough in the OP is just how you see the scenes, but I'm just trying to not constantly get the Eternal Prisoner game over.

Yeah agreed with this, the walkthrough in OP is for the scenes. Where is the one for the rest? i just need a picture of the map. Yeah i know the search thread option is there but for some reason it's not working for me.

 

[Rein]

Sexinati, you know where the SoC team stands on pirating. You can choose to either respect our wishes or not.

That’s really all there is to it.

 

[T51bwinterized]

Also, I will note as someone who spent way too much godamn time studying philosophy... semantics is philosophy. XD