Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.12a Non-Patreon] [Vénus Noire]
Avaron1974
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He was a famous hero then he got forced to work for the demons he once worked against.So how long is it going to be when I'm not anyone's bitch in this game? All this talk of me being a famous and powerful hero but all I'm doing is being forced to eat pussy or suck dick. There will probably (hopefully more like it) be a point, as the game updates, where hopefully you become stronger and dominate them but at the rate this game gets updated, Luffy would have found the One Piece before this gets close to being completed
It doesn't say anything about dominating them.
It also doesn't say anything about him being powerful, he was aided by a goddess.
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He was also part of a team, if I am not mistaken, who defeated the demon lord.
Rowan is a skilled swordman and tracker but never the game said anything about him being all powerful. Othen than his resistence to magic there is really nothing outstanding about him so far.
Rowan is a skilled swordman and tracker but never the game said anything about him being all powerful. Othen than his resistence to magic there is really nothing outstanding about him so far.
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This is sad. Sad that ppl NOT making the game had to so this. Since a map is what should have been in the game from day 1. As if a multi kingdom alliance that has fought multiple wars against demon armies wouldn't know the lay out of their nations. Almost as if basic mapping has been a thing since ppl started drawing shit.Thanks to both of you. I went ahead and used Stes's map as my base, andbutchered itcobbled together a version with highlighted points of interest. Which took about 1000 hours in GIMP since I'm used to Photoshop but my version of Photoshop doesn't frigging work on my new computer and rarrghfragglbraaztiglh—er, never mind.
(Apologies to both Stes and Venus Noire for doodling all over your hard work.)
Anyway, I'll be cobbling together another version showing optimal routes eventually, but for now this should maybe be helpful. I'll post a link to this post in both my previous guides. Also if you're gonna Like, Like Stes's and HK51's posts instead of mine, I was too lazy to make my own damn map.
Without further ado, the Annotated Map of Rosaria:
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Important Locations
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Portals
These are locations you can warp directly to at the start of each week of exploring (you can also resume your explorations where you'd previously left off). The southwestern portal is where you start out when you begin exploring; the one in the extreme northwest can only be accessed after first discovering it.
Villages
One of your main goals while exploring Rosaria will be to make contact with villages, either conquering them outright or negotiating their submission to the twins under trade agreements.
Abbeys
Cloisters dedicated to Solansia scattered around Rosaria. Capturing them can help boost your research capabilities.
Mines
Capturing mines will secure a steady stream of iron ore for the twins' forges, which in turn will let you better equip your soldiers.
Orc Camps
Small independent orc camps are scattered around Rosaria. Play your cards right, and you might be able to win their support.
Drider Nests
If you can sneak into a drider's lair and steal a few eggs, you can breed your own horde of monsters of... questionable loyalty.
Vineyards
Also scattered around Rosaria are several vineyards. Capturing these may lead to a happier army, if not necessarily a more effective one.
Avaron1974
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Forgot to mention the team thing.
I don't quite know what some people are expecting here.
Yes they treat him like he's their bitch .... because he is.
He's a guy that's half decent with a sword and has a resistance to magic but still just a guy. They are quite powerful demons. I don't know why people thought he'd get more powerful ... he's just a guy. He has no power.
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Maybe in the future befriending some characters like Cliohna, Greyhide or X'zaratl will be the key to backstab the twins. Since none of them seem overly loyal to the twins but instead having their own interests that just happened to align with the demons for the time being.
I get the scene where Liurial goes finds you with alexia but no threesome (used console and the event of rude coworkers to raise alexia's corruption). She just smirks at the idea but nothing happens
That event was all kinds of bugged. I'm assuming it hasn't been patched yet so it worked like this in the previous version (0.2.49):
If you have a low corruption Alexia (<=30), you just need to avoid Alexia storming out of the room (the event is missing the low corruption branch of dialogue for the threesome so you automatically get a pass), if Alexia has been faithful you need to lie to her about having slept with Liurial. If Alexia has cheated on Rowan you can tell her the truth and then pick "I need to keep her loyal", you may only pick "She was in trouble and needed protection" if Alexia has NEVER slept with Jezera.
If you have a high corruption Alexia(>30), you need Rowan to also have high corruption (>=30). Then you need to tell Alexia the truth that you have slept with Liurial before. You can choose "You can use her too if you like" if Alexia's corruption is REALLY high (>50), you can choose "I need to keep her loyal" no matter what, and you may only choose "She was in trouble and needed protection" if Alexia has NEVER slept with Jezera.
Maybe it's because my Rowan agreed to work with the Twins out of an honest belief that it was no worse than feudalism, but he's never really felt especially powerless to me. Andras is constantly threatening Rowan, yeah, but he knows he needs Rowan so long as he gets results - it's all bark* to cover up the fact that Andras really hates needing someone. Jezera keeps toying with and taunting Rowan at every opportunity, but she usually knocks it off (for a time) when asked, especially if something actually important is happening.
He's basically their babysitters. They have the power to kill him at a whim, but all three of them know that's not going to happen so long as they need him to conquer their world - and so long as he's not as unpleasant to them as they are to him, he's probably going to be handsomely rewarded at the end of all of this in a way that the human kings would never dare to offer to a peasant.
They might sulk if Rowan doesn't play their games, and Andras might tantrum, but it's ultimately up to him how much he wants to give in to their demands. Ironically for a game where the entire point is that he has a metaphorical gun to his head, he does actually have a fair amount of power and freedom.
*Well, so long as Jezera is alive to remind him of that fact, I guess. Who knows what he'd do without her. Kill everyone in the castle one by one out of depression and rage?
He's basically their babysitters. They have the power to kill him at a whim, but all three of them know that's not going to happen so long as they need him to conquer their world - and so long as he's not as unpleasant to them as they are to him, he's probably going to be handsomely rewarded at the end of all of this in a way that the human kings would never dare to offer to a peasant.
They might sulk if Rowan doesn't play their games, and Andras might tantrum, but it's ultimately up to him how much he wants to give in to their demands. Ironically for a game where the entire point is that he has a metaphorical gun to his head, he does actually have a fair amount of power and freedom.
*Well, so long as Jezera is alive to remind him of that fact, I guess. Who knows what he'd do without her. Kill everyone in the castle one by one out of depression and rage?
so for me when i got to delane anal scene there's no pic but there's the text. is there something i can do about this?
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Use Unren.bat, there is a thread on the forum tools & tutorials area.
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use the search function next time, most common questions are usually answered by that.
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I wouldn't go that far. It is certainly true that Rowan is a normal man, on the otherhand he has practical experience in a way that Neither twins have when it comes to leading a coherent military force.
Without Rowans aid, and the aid that Rowan managed to acquire from the Orcish (Or in future Goblin) camps, The Twin's would have been forced to abandon their plans of conquering Rastedel for quite a long time, and their loss would have alerted the rest of the Continent that a new Demon army was 'on the rise', which would likely make any future plans of conquest much, much more difficult to achieve.
It wouldn't surprise me if after conquering Rastedel, the twins will be slightly more respectful and less aggressive towards Rowan.
This is where I think Rowan does have power. However, I have the feeling that Andras is probably going to learn quite a bit from Rowan's example (He is already beginning to change in my opinion)... and Jezera will probably become less temperamental in her dealings... which may affect the actual power that Rowan actually wields as time goes by.
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By power I was more referring to the kind the twins have with regards to superior physical and magical abilities.
Rowan, while far more military minded, is just a human. I see people expecting him to grow in power and challenge the twins but he doesn't have that kind if ability.
Sure he could build a force on the side and eventually overthrow them in a war but he doesn't have anywhere near the capability to go against the twins in a fight, they would tear him apart, while eating breakfast, and reading a newspaper and having a massive hangover.
Not only that but the woman (or women) he loves are also there so going straight up against them would by madness.
I just find it hilarious that people are expecting to overthrow 2 quite powerful demons.
The only way he'd have a chance would be to set the twins against each other or join up with a more powerful demon. Either way it's not going to happen how some here think it will.
The most amusing thing is when people complain about being the bitch of those 2 demons when it's right there is the description.
What are they thinking the game is?
Oh, I could also see Rowan catching them in some clever trap (it is his whole schtick from the war, after all, and they are letting him plan their battles), or using his position in their employ to raise an elite force loyal to himself over the twins - or perhaps raise a force of powerful, mindless beasts and use those. They don't know loyalty, after all.
The twins are only two demons, even if they are powerful; indeed, that's the reason they're hiding their return from the world. There are plenty of ways that Rowan could eventually overcome his lack of personal power and kill them, because being able to effectively run an army is simply that much of an advantage.
Really, Jezera's Secret Maid Service is a bigger obstacle to Rowan's ambitions than her being able to kill him with a few magic whips - he literally has no idea when he's being watched, or how closely. Just look at how much he had to plan to aid a simple escape, when the prisoner was someone that Jezera didn't terribly care about, already had the right to move freely, and barely needed any supplies.
Ah, and if I remember my Bad Ends correctly, Rowan is under the belief that he can kill Jezera, if he's lucky and has the advantage of surprise. He fails, because Jezera was expecting it, but it does imply that she's not that far out of his league.
That said, I do agree that some people are a bit hasty to see late-game content when they've barely conquered their first realm. I understand the desire to see the conclusion of a good game, but one does still need to see the middle of it written if it's to be satisfying .
The twins are only two demons, even if they are powerful; indeed, that's the reason they're hiding their return from the world. There are plenty of ways that Rowan could eventually overcome his lack of personal power and kill them, because being able to effectively run an army is simply that much of an advantage.
Really, Jezera's Secret Maid Service is a bigger obstacle to Rowan's ambitions than her being able to kill him with a few magic whips - he literally has no idea when he's being watched, or how closely. Just look at how much he had to plan to aid a simple escape, when the prisoner was someone that Jezera didn't terribly care about, already had the right to move freely, and barely needed any supplies.
Ah, and if I remember my Bad Ends correctly, Rowan is under the belief that he can kill Jezera, if he's lucky and has the advantage of surprise. He fails, because Jezera was expecting it, but it does imply that she's not that far out of his league.
That said, I do agree that some people are a bit hasty to see late-game content when they've barely conquered their first realm. I understand the desire to see the conclusion of a good game, but one does still need to see the middle of it written if it's to be satisfying
.To add to your point, here's a few more examples of the Twins not being invincible and invulnerable:Oh, I could also see Rowan catching them in some clever trap (it is his whole schtick from the war, after all, and they are letting him plan their battles), or using his position in their employ to raise an elite force loyal to himself over the twins - or perhaps raise a force of powerful, mindless beasts and use those. They don't know loyalty, after all.
The twins are only two demons, even if they are powerful; indeed, that's the reason they're hiding their return from the world. There are plenty of ways that Rowan could eventually overcome his lack of personal power and kill them, because being able to effectively run an army is simply that much of an advantage.
Really, Jezera's Secret Maid Service is a bigger obstacle to Rowan's ambitions than her being able to kill him with a few magic whips - he literally has no idea when he's being watched, or how closely. Just look at how much he had to plan to aid a simple escape, when the prisoner was someone that Jezera didn't terribly care about, already had the right to move freely, and barely needed any supplies.
Ah, and if I remember my Bad Ends correctly, Rowan is under the belief that he can kill Jezera, if he's lucky and has the advantage of surprise. He fails, because Jezera was expecting it, but it does imply that she's not that far out of his league.
That said, I do agree that some people are a bit hasty to see late-game content when they've barely conquered their first realm. I understand the desire to see the conclusion of a good game, but one does still need to see the middle of it written if it's to be satisfying
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Those are the physical examples, but there are a few others where one can infer they aren't that powerful:
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A few other examples that are more my personal pet peeves rather than something the game outright says:
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Generally because when it comes to siege warfare, when you are the attacking force, You need a force at least ten-times larger (Than the number of defenders) in order to have a fair chance at success (This is true even to this day).
And no, I am not joking. Attacking a fortified position is fraught with much peril, because even though the Defenders will be in much smaller numbers, they have almost all the advantages. Arrow loops, murderholes, sometimes even artillery in the form of Perriers or Springalds. If the enemy knows beforehand that they are about to be besieged, they can also set up wooden hoardings (Unless they have a castle that has machicolations).
If they also know that an attack is eminent, they can also set up some really nasty shit for the enemy in the field. Caltrops, miniature ditches with emplanted spikes, cheval de frises, anything that will make an advance/entry really fucking nasty and devastating.
Do your orcs feel that simply 'laddering' up is a good idea? Expect people to be dropping innocuous things such as fire heated sand (Which is probably anywhere within excess of 300-400 degrees celsius), boiling water, javelins, stones and perhaps even the contents of the piss or shit bucket. Is that what I want to do... escalade that enemy castle over-yonder "No siree, fuck that shit I say!"
So if you don't want to die in these minutiae of horrific ways, then there are only two relatively painless ways of going about a siege, starving out the enemy... or undermining the walls.
"But what about Artillery!" Some might be saying. It certainly looks cool in Hollywood, but the reality is that siege engines are not really great at battering walls into bits. Their primary usage seems to have been destroying the tops of walls, so that the enemy has fewer safe places to launch shit at your people. Ancient/Medieval siege artillery just don't have the effective power to batter through large stone walls 'efficiently' nor 'effectively', unless you are talking the 'Big guns' of the Ancient/medieval world... such as perhaps Warwolf (A fuck-off huge trebuchet), or possibly 'Three Talent' fuck-off huge Balistae. When it comes to knocking walls down into nothing... you want cannon. But even in this situation, you will likely have to clear out the rubble first before you have an access point.
Even if you manage to get through the castle/fortification walls, you will now likely have to attack the keep. Which is yet another large, fortified position... likely with all the arrow-loops, murderholes and 'tricks-of-the-trade' bits that make attacking a fortified position hell-on-earth for the enemy attacker.
This is why, in my opinion... in IRL history, most attackers resorted to two methods of resolving a siege. Either they asked for their opponents to surrender within three days (Or be liable to being utterly slaughtered upon defeat), or they played the long game of starving out their enemy whilst hoping that their own forces had enough food and logistical support to out-wait their opponents.
That said, this could be shook up by the addition of magic, depending on the strength and effect. Either way, attacking the fortress with a large-ish force of Orc's is not necessarily unwarranted, because if Rowan had failed in opening up the gates for their entry... those orcs would likely have had to go about camping it up and waiting for the Demon's to figure out a way to do something. Because attacking fortified, static positions... is just plain shitty no matter which Era you are in.
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A thing that im not understanding in the last update , it's the point of trying to do the rastedel plotline the hero way that trying to do it only causes problems? Saving Delane only makes her go to the city that the twins want to conquer next and in universe makes it so the next villages taken are made slaves for the orcs , and deciding to ally with Duke Werden makes the twins and tarish correctly guess that, if Rowan, a man with every reason to try and betray them, goes with the guy that is the less likely to obey them its because he has some reason beyond what he say to them and in the end the scene ends with Rowan saying he is going to kill werden. So my point is , if Rowan does not find a way to change that, what difference going with the duke makes compared with going with others? From what i see he makes adras agree with not burning the city of they open the gates either way so im not understanding the plan there.
In another point i so "Love" to repeat in every coment i make, am i the only one that finds it a bit strange how the story seems to go way to quick in certain things? Like, the story has not even gone beiond the first realm and theres already one character that says to Rowan that he is the true strength behind the twins (Warning, geting off point here) , wich is not untrue since from all i see from them without Rowan they would have lost because all other npcs seem to only folow them because of. A- They are the children of the last dark lord B- They give oportunitys or C- they just play along for their own reasons. Not totaly sure about that last one, but Arzyl seems to give that vibe. i might be wrong since i dont know if in the events that i have not seen it shows more but the twins seem to not be that dangerous, they are powerfull, but in the end they seem to only have one trick and to much pride and arrogance to be true conquerors, Adras is strong but if erraged seems to be easy to defeat, he almost losses to a orc and only does not because he cheats with his one power, Jezera has ilusions and the ribons, and that as far as i know is it, she is a wana be intrigue mistress but probably would be defeated if put against someone o realy knows how to do it (Going back to the point). Then we have the event chain of Cliohna, in wich something starts and we get the transiction off the relacionship betwen the two from , guy who does the things and the researsher ,to Rowan aparently becoming someone that Cliohna wants to break because of her pride (Did not remember any event chains that seem slow). All in all the point of this is, its the "Rowan starting to get more influence in the court of the twins" going to be a thing before the second to last or last realm or the skordred thing is just a thing and i am over-complicating that?
In another point i so "Love" to repeat in every coment i make, am i the only one that finds it a bit strange how the story seems to go way to quick in certain things? Like, the story has not even gone beiond the first realm and theres already one character that says to Rowan that he is the true strength behind the twins (Warning, geting off point here) , wich is not untrue since from all i see from them without Rowan they would have lost because all other npcs seem to only folow them because of. A- They are the children of the last dark lord B- They give oportunitys or C- they just play along for their own reasons. Not totaly sure about that last one, but Arzyl seems to give that vibe. i might be wrong since i dont know if in the events that i have not seen it shows more but the twins seem to not be that dangerous, they are powerfull, but in the end they seem to only have one trick and to much pride and arrogance to be true conquerors, Adras is strong but if erraged seems to be easy to defeat, he almost losses to a orc and only does not because he cheats with his one power, Jezera has ilusions and the ribons, and that as far as i know is it, she is a wana be intrigue mistress but probably would be defeated if put against someone o realy knows how to do it (Going back to the point). Then we have the event chain of Cliohna, in wich something starts and we get the transiction off the relacionship betwen the two from , guy who does the things and the researsher ,to Rowan aparently becoming someone that Cliohna wants to break because of her pride (Did not remember any event chains that seem slow). All in all the point of this is, its the "Rowan starting to get more influence in the court of the twins" going to be a thing before the second to last or last realm or the skordred thing is just a thing and i am over-complicating that?