Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.12a Non-Patreon] [Vénus Noire]

[WatsonJohn]

Yes, There is a new Alexia F x F scene this release. No it doesn't involve Mary.




The NTR remains, as always, optional. Alexia can turn down Andras and Jezera, and if she does she canonically never sleeps with them.

I'm aware that people have complained that she's too open to Andras in the prologue, and while that's still not her agreeing to cheat on Rowan, we are just straight up rewriting that scene for the September release.

The choices won't carry over to the next chapter? So even if Alexia cheated on Rowan, the next chapter still assumes nothing really happened??

 

[XxxADOxxX]

Se Need a real Hero!!!

 

[jakerayyan18]

Can't wait for more Alexia x Andras scene!! love the NTR route hope she get pregnants with Andras's childrens in the future

 

[ronadan]

Can't wait for more Alexia x Andras scene!! love the NTR route hope she get pregnants with Andras's childrens in the future

same here. but based on what I read here, we're in the minority. People love to hate Andras. I don't care about him myself, but can't wait to see more major corruption events for Alexia, especially if he is the focus there

btw is there any chance we get to know more about the original Demon Lord? Andras and Jezara's father? or their mother? I would like to at least know how much each of them represents their father's methods. was he a cunning schemer? A ruthless conqueror? or a mix of both?

 

[Trapitalism101]

Can't wait for more Alexia x Andras scene!! love the NTR route hope she get pregnants with Andras's childrens in the future

I love you but I respectfully disagree.

The best NTR route is Greyhide, because he is adorable and deserves to have 2 new cockleeves/cumdumps.

 

[Oriandu]

Am I completely misremembering things or didn't she blow any and all chances for a powerful Dark elf alliance because of a minor jab at her ego?

I always got the impression that for all of her successes there are plenty of plans that don't pan out do to her arrogance or childishness. She does have contingencies and by the nature of her dealings failures won't always be as visible but she shows strong inclinations to the same destructive temper tantrums when things don't go her way. It hurts her ego in a very different way than Andras' since she wants to be, or at least be seen as, a great schemer and expects herself to not allow bad situations to arise, unlike Andras who just gets angry at the world for not being as he wants/expects.

Both of the twins are extremely childish, they're just childish in different ways and with Andras it's more obvious and more impactful on everything he does. With Jezera she does show how immature she is a few times throughout the story, but she's still far more likely to go through a situation showing little to no emotional response than her brother is and is capable of controlling herself far better. Their childish tendencies are part of why I view Rowan as absolutely integral to their plan. Ignoring the fact that Rowan is a talented warrior, a skilled strategist, and when necessary a shrewd negotiator, he's also able to keep a level head during difficult situations, he's observant, quick thinking, and very intelligent, and on top of all that he's an adult. If it wasn't for the overt sexual nature of the game it would not be hard to write Rowan into a paternal figure for the twins.

 

[gamingdevil800]

Within reason, but we still feel that we were inexpert with our portrayal of it. At the end of the day, sometimes if a scene is producing more varied reaction when we intended, it implies that the communication was imperfect. So, while we're clearing up and improving the rest of the intro (RIP Trap Door) we want to do a better job making that scene feel consistent with the rest of the Alexia NTR. One element of that is giving the player more control of her reaction to him.



That's a new CG for the "Confrontation" branch of the Shaya Finale. What's being portrayed is something of a spoiler.

 

[gamingdevil800]

Despite all of his obvious flaws, Andras is perhaps a better leader than Jezera. Sure, he is in many ways primitive and brutish, also has anger issues. But Jezera is even more incompetent: despite being good at scheming (and often succeeding at it), she is completely childish, irresponsible and seems to be less focused on her duties than Andras. The red demon spends most of his time in barracks, training and commanding orcs, while also supervises forge work and driders - overall he seems to be very focused on his duties. Jezera on the other hand tends to spend most of her time playing with maids or devising petty schemes. She doesn't seem to be taking her role seriously at all. While Andras often cooperates with Rowan on his missions (we can see it during orc tribe events and village occupation events), Jezera spends most of her time in her chambers. If Rowan contacts her during his missions, she is interested only when it looks enjoyable to her (e.g. how she helped Rowan with corrupting the traveling nun or how she came to the witch convent). In other times, she simply doesn't care. During the event with Darla the Huntress, when Rowan contacts Jezera to consult with her a possibility of recruiting a large group of mercenaries, she tells him to stop bothering her because she is currently having some fun. I don't remember Andras being ever so negligent, despite also liking to have fun.

Also, Jezera's schemes, even if they succeed, are often very one-dimensional. Sleeping with an enemy general is a nice idea, but can succeed only against a man of lesser character (I sincerely doubt that someone like Werden could have fallen for a trick like that). In the prologue, Jezera lures Rowan away from Arthdale to capture Alexia, but when Rowan returns she is caught by surprise and is nearly killed/wounded by him. Even Andras calls her out on that after he comes to rescue her. We could also argue that each of the twins has an area of responsibility. Andras is in charge of the military and munitions, Jezera is in charge of spies and foreign relations. But whereas Andras does his job very well, Jezera is only partially successful. She succeeds in gaining Ameraine as an ally in Rastedel but miserably fails during her negotiations with the dark elves. Also, despite being a spymaster, she completely fails to stop plotting of important castle staff members. Both Cliohna and Shaya manage to take Rowan (who is supposedly monitored by Jezera) under their control in their respective paths (the only one who can stop them is Rowan himself, not Jezera) and Cla-Min is running wild with corruption, counterfeit money etc.

Would just like to point out it's actually better to not let Cliohna and Shaya dominate you, turning the tables on them to make you an equal has better overall results. 100% with Shaya and definitely will with Cliohna too it may be important later on.

 

[Oriandu]

There's also the fact that the twins spend a decent amount of time knocking Rowan down a peg or two whenever they can to keep him under control, so not letting minor character dominate him is a good way to keep his development intact and remind the player that the twins are only really in charge so long as he's at a major disadvantage and that they wouldn't stand a chance against him if the power gap was smaller.

 

[Deleted member 3378174]

In times like these when the update has dropped and the thread is barren of links I ask myself...

 

[aykarin]

Would just like to point out it's actually better to not let Cliohna and Shaya dominate you, turning the tables on them to make you an equal has better overall results. 100% with Shaya and definitely will with Cliohna too it may be important later on.

You are right. If we look at things from the perspective of 'what actions can strenghthen Rowan's position and give him advantage for eventual future rebellion' then it's definitely worth to stand on even grounds with Cliohna and Shaya. In my previous message I just wanted to point out that Jezera as a castle spymaster is ignorant of these matters. She probably doesn't even know that both Cliohna and Shaya play their own game with Rowan and doesn't intervene in their efforts to subdue Rowan.

 

[cazala]

I have the fey emissary arrived in Bloodmeen, but where could I find them? They're not in living quarters.

 

[Nightmare800]

Se Need a real Hero!!!

I can't wait to see Rowan gut him like a fish.

By the way this game's tags have a female protagonist listed in them, where can I choose that?

 

[Nightmare800]

In times like these when the update has dropped and the thread is barren of links I ask myself...

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Judging from the acute lack of progress in the past five years I can guarantee you this will be abandoned eventually.

 

[Ataman87]

Judging from the acute lack of progress in the past five years I can guarantee you this will be abandoned eventually.

Tell me of a game with this kind of scope, hand made art , size and so on that is made on a donation model (on this site or elsewhere) where the progress is faster. These are small teams progress is slow . Here at least is frequent every two mounts. And the treat of abandonment lingers over every game that uses this model of development and funding.

 

[Nightmare800]

Tell me of a game with this kind of scope, hand made art , size and so on that is made on a donation model (on this site or elsewhere) where the progress is faster. These are small teams progress is slow . Here at least is frequent every two mounts. And the treat of abandonment lingers over every game that uses this model of development and funding.

What, you think I know the exact progress rate of every smut VN around? What I know is that this is a classic case of Patreon milking that has unfortunately became a staple of smut games nowadays unless they are japanese titles. I concede the art style is pretty good but for a VN to move to 0.2 in FIVE years stinks of either greed or laziness, or both. I can guarantee you that if patreon would work on the basis of pay-per-update (say six bucks per one tenth of the game) this wouldn't have happened.

Sure, it may sound awful rude for me to say this, considering I got the game for free, but this abhorrent practice of lazy assholes milking their patrons for meagre updates with endless development cycles is something I cannot simply agree with. To me it's betrayal of their trust and it's ultimately causing the donators to be cynical about donating at all, which hurts people who actually deserve it.

 

[rivon]

They have 13-14 k income.
They are in top 50 most founded projects on Patreon in Adult games subcategory.
So no.

 

[Nightmare800]

They have 13-14 k income.
They are in top 50 most founded projects on Patreon in Adult games subcategory.
So no.

Was that meant to be a reply to me or Ataman87?

 

[sickdude]

What, you think I know the exact progress rate of every smut VN around? What I know is that this is a classic case of Patreon milking that has unfortunately became a staple of smut games nowadays unless they are japanese titles. I concede the art style is pretty good but for a VN to move to 0.2 in FIVE years stinks of either greed or laziness, or both.

Well I agree, I bought this game on steam randomly and then supported them on patreon to make development bc I wanted this game to finish fast (how foolish I am ) but tho I love the quality and all updates, the content is too little for the amount of support they get. So I quitted the patreon and support other smaller developers on patreon.

Btw can anyone tell me when they will share new content link ? or update steam version?

 

[Ataman87]

Dude the model is flawed- yes. But before it there were zero western porn games of this quality (and i dont care about 99 % of jap games becouse they suck - maybe due to poor localisation or cultural diferences) . Japan games are made by actual comercial studios on a purchase - release model. Like a finished product that has development deadlines and a fixed preinvested budget. So there cant be comparison. I have couple of favorite games with 2d art that get upd regulary (slowly but again regulary) . As long as people are interested and the dev are alive and working we get updates piece by piece. Maybe with the money they make there shoud be noticable increese in development time - more artist , more coders, writers but i think with smaller studios there is no real project managment on that scale. I hope that this donation model will evolve in to actual profestional western porn game industrty. There are a few such studios like the one that made Subverse but there you have an other problem - the kinks. You see for a large studio to direct resources and make the nececery advertisment (since sells are more important and you cant hope only on donations) they need to tone down on the kinks. Or they will get heat from censors and other "moral" organisations. So no incest , no futa , no kinky demon sex , no violence , no monster fucking. Or not least on the depraved and erotic level we get here. Again i undestand what you are saying the model is flawed , but think about it before that we never got games like this one. Think it like this - the dudes here writers , artist , coders behind this game are freelancers and in the end amateurs (im not saying they lack the skills) but they have a fix resourse and they make things at a set phase. Its slow yes - but again its regular. The money they get is for them they dont have a real motivation or the know how to organise a large studio that can crank things on a pro industry level. The are developers (most 3d art) games that some how work faster but again we are talking about simple visial novels with 3d art.