Ren'Py - Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.13a] [Vénus Noire]

Fantastic art and decent writing (as far as porn games go) marred by terrible gameplay. This is more unique than many games, and is certainly far above most things made in RPGM, but still lacks intuitive design and QOL. It's easy enough to get a bad end that essentially breaks your save unless you made numerous check points, and there isn't much that you, the player, have control over. There are choices you make, but they're few and far between in terms of anything meaningful.

Progress through the game itself is slow, and though the scenes are grand, they take a while to get rolling. Once they do, it's much less like a stone rolling down a hill and more like one moving on a treadmill. The pace only picks up slightly, and by the time you start really enjoying, you either game over or hit a gap with no scenes at all.

A lot of my disdain for this game comes from a very personal opinion on the core tenants of what makes a good porn game, and that involves not having hard game overs. This story does not captivate me enough to read every last line, and in doing so, I might miss a very important line of dialogue that isn't mentioned anywhere else, and thus, lose. I don't want to have to follow a walkthrough or spend 5 hours reading through everything just to have a wank for a game that I enjoy the style and setting of.

Tl;dr
I'm mainly here for porn, and you know that, so stop punishing me for not clicking on the right tile in a boring, slow paced game.

Berserk but Guts is a bitch and is also serving Femto, only it's worse because there's two of them and even the one with the vagina gets to cuck him. Not badly written, and the art is pretty great, but really feels like a setting and story that are dark just for the sake of being dark.

Would've liked the whole thing much better if the protagonist were a demon making his way through the ranks or something like that. Being the bad guy can be fun, being the bad guys' bitch gets tiring after a while.

Every year, I check for updates on this game, and when it looks like there's enough new content, I give it another tumble. Every time, it's worth it.

As excellent as the artwork is, lewd or otherwise, it is the writing that is the most enthralling part of this game. Whatever your initial choices might be, or what you may decide to become later on, the writing pulls no punches in regards to detail and nuance of the setting or characters.

As long as this game has been in development, it is pretty apparent that a lot of passion and commitment has gone into it. I hold no small amount of hope that this project is completed eventually.

It's a great game in concept, with a lot of excellent visuals a dark but not overly grimdark setting.
The main character Rowan and his wife are put in compromising situations and it always feels like they walk a fine balance between control and surrendering to the same level as their surroundings.
A lot of different kind of characters as well, it's nice to see a good variety of both body types and of both gay, lesbian and straight schnupping going on.

The overworld map and build mechanics appeal to my strategy gamer senses, but is often quite slow and sometimes more trial and error than actual strategy. I'd like to progress a bit faster or at least have clearer objectives. Maybe more side missions and less random events would solve this.

I have also had a few game crashes that have ruined at least one playthrough. There are apparently some issues with the coding.

I still recommend it and I have bought it on Steam and earlier was a patron. But the three star rating is there to show that there is some stuff that needs work before it can be called truly great.

I feel like this is very much a "your mileage may vary" game. The people who are into a super-dark world filled with rape, ntr, and making the best of only shitty situations will love it while those who don't won't get much of anything at all.

The overall gameplay is mediocre at best. You wander a world map trying to find things to do and eventually roll a dice to see if you pull it off. It's forgettable at best and tedious at worst. Fortunately the art redeems the gameplay to at least a degree, as it's quite good.

The story... is the hit or miss part. I can roll with a certain level of grim dark. Unfortunately, Seeds of Chaos is more than a bit much. In my opinion, the fun of a grim dark world is struggling against the grim darkness. The world can try to drag you down into crapsack it's become, but your character is too brave, smart, or just stubborn to give up.

Seeds of Chaos manages a little of this, but the "good guy" path is basically rigged. No matter what you do, you just keep getting punished. The world can't ever get better through your choices. Your best result is less bad. The game doesn't feel like it's designed to truly have a good guy path, just brutal speed bumps if you struggle on your way to almost inevitable corruption.

Speaking of which, I have a major bone to pick with the corruption. I'm down with a nice slow burn fall from grace. I think Seeds of Chaos can actually deliver on this to a degree as well. The thing that I hate though, is that Seeds conjoins sexual corruption and moral corruption.

Sluts are not war criminals. I feel like I shouldn't have to say it, but Seeds makes me feel like it needs to be stated. Just because Rowan and Alexia sleep around and cheat on each other does not mean that they'll suddenly enjoy rape or murder. Enjoying a big cock does not mean you desire the fall of civilization. Fucking a succubus or seven does not mean you must be down with a demonic uprising. It's really brutal to watch Rowan and Alexia become worse people as they like sex more. I understand that it probably made the game much easier to code, but it pretty much killed my appreciation for their characters.

Overall, I feel like having the two of them fall to sexual corruption, even inevitable sexual corruption, while maintaining their morality would have made for a better character arc overall. It would also have allowed the main story to feature the two of them trying to save as many people as possible even as their bodies slow begin to belong to demons. Remember that whole fighting against the grim dark bit?

Anyway, between mediocre game play, good art, and a story that made me legitimately uncomfortable through sheer darkness at a point or two, the game just wasn't for me. I guess I'd recommend it to people who are extremely into ntr and bad shit happening to good people.

Seeds of Chaos is an excellent VN with two maps to bring order to the huge amount of content. It is true that the fate of our protagonists is far from being decided.
As a good element, the story allows us to react in different ways to various situations, allowing us to influence the moral system individually for each main character in a much more noticeable way compared to other games of this style..
100% recommended if you like this type of game. By the way, the art is very good.

You pilot an established hero MC who saved the world from the demon lord and slaughtered countless demons. He is a macho alpha male MC... who will now just surrender to demons and help them destroy the world on flimsy reasoning. Also he will suddenly become a submissive bitch for the duration of sex scenes then immediately bounce right back to his alpha personality when done. It is rather jarring how fast the MC personality changes and I am lead to conclude that MC is suffering from dissociative identity disorder

The story is utterly nonsensical and illogical, it is edgy for the sake of edge.
There are countless plot holes that would make it tumble down but you are supposed to just ignore it or something.

The mechanics suck. It uses D20 system with rolls, so success or failure is almost entirely up to luck. You can go into great effort to raise your sneak stat to a +3 but this just means you are rolling a D20 + 3 vs DC15. Even with that +3 it is still all down to luck. And they included anti cheat mechanics too just fo fuck with you (disabled rollback).

The game tries to appeal to far too many conflicting fetishes. So the odds are on update you won't find any new content that appeals to you.

Their "disable NTR" option allows a bunch of NTR scenes to go through.
"oh this does not count. You cheated on your wife so you are being punished with NTR"
"oh this does not count, you and your wife are being raped together so it is not NTR"
etc

Seeds of Chaos is amazing, I love the world, the atmosphere, the kinky sex. I love everything about it. If the sex were completely removed, I suspect I would still love it, the hallmark of, if not a great story, at least a good one. It doesn't use sex or violence as a crutch. Rare praise for an adult game.

Sigh.

Ive been following this game for a really long time but Ive continuously been losing hope for the latest updates now.
The game has huge potential, one of the best story premises of the entire site, brilliant art, really hot scenes and a bunch of different fetishes. Its one of the games where the story really draws you into it and makes most of the scenes way better than they were, if you looked at them isolated.
But thats about it.
It seems that the developers are focusing so much on unimportant sidestorys, about secondary character arcs that noone gives a fuck about, that they completely neglect a healthy progression rate. They try to please every fetish on their huge list simultaniously while completely lacking the capacities to support their development.
This unfortunately leads to painfully slow development progress. Every two months im looking into the game just to find out they reworked another scene again, added a completely optional scene with some goblins that noone really asked for and another gay scene that probably doesnt appeal to the majority of their audience. On top of that they spend rediculous amounts of time reworking their gameplay mechanics, that lacked a lot in the previous versions but imo didnt really get that much better in the latest updates either.
Its still a game where a lot of the scenes are locked behind some dubious and completely intransparent chains of decisions or some stupid rng mechanics that offer no gameplay value at all. The lack of a rollback option is especially frustrating and kinda forces you to savescum a lot if you dont want to replay the whole game, once youve randomly failed an rng check.

All in all I really want this game to be good. I want this game to succeed and to progress. But the amount of money the developers get via patreon compared to the actual value the players get leads me to the conclusion that its gonna share the fate of all the uncounted cashgrab, milking cow patreon games that will probably never be finished.

Too bad, as it really could be one of the best games this site offers.

Gameplay :
the game is story driven Choose your own story "dungeon and dragon" type of game with multiple dice to roll an outcome of an event based on related character stats point.

you can assign stats to your character for better RNG roll and each character stats will generate randomly between 1 as minimum and 6 as maximum value for the requirement.

you will pass the RNG roll if your dice outcome is higher or equal to the event requirement which usually often to be 24.

both main quest and side quest are available for player to explore.


personal view of current seed of chaos :

this is erotic visual novel hence my rating will focus on Erotic part of the image.

i spent time comparing old art style with the new.
it's basically the same as comparing warcraft III Frozen throne VS the brand new Reforged.

both seed of chaos and warcraft III new version image, picture and CG is worse compared with the older version.
they are forcing on realistic aspect to much.

i am convinced this series is a big fail because reforged has proven to be fail.
People prefer clear image over a realistic one hence why lightning and brightness is very important in movie making.

just look at how much time they spent on 1st chapter and they do bunch of rework instead of going forward to chapter 2.
ironically artistic value is very subjective and art replacement is not mandatory but they are going hardcore into it.

i read some review and acording to chambord review
bad :
- Some content from previous versions have been gone

it seems i am not the only one prefer the older content.
i read further into review and some dude called out bad contrast which i completely agree with since the new art is just not appealing.

[personal rating]
2 out of 5
i masturbated 30 times at older version CG while having 0 attempt on the reworked version.

This is a really good game, with lots of very good sex scenes. I also actually like the SFW aspects of the game; it has an engaging story and great mechanics.

However, it's also an unfinished game IMO. The stat mechanics aren't as relevant as I hoped they would be, and the ratio of time spent grinding to time spent doing interesting character development is too high. For instance, with Alexa you can have her doing the same repetitive tasks which are kind of boring. If the game was 25 - 30 percent shorter while keeping the same number of sex scenes or dialogue scenes in, I'd like it a lot more. I'd also like an option to change the MC and Alexa's name, shouldn't be too hard to implement.

Overall it's a very good game, probably one of the best 2dcg games I've played.

LIIIIKE IT!

First reason : Drawings, wow,wow,wow,wow,wow, a great Bravo to the one that is at the pencils.
Second: the Sheer nastiness of the whole thing. It force you to break some bonduaries and test your own definition of sexy.
Naturally, I have to make a point here, I strongly believe both in egality of sexes and honor so I will play it in a certain way:cheating is ok with me , NTR is however always on! Also because some of the most sexy and nasty scenes involves a certain pair of redheads, so...
Usually gay is a turn off for me but in this case I would gladly make exceptions, futa on male, always one of the best (the Dwarf just not, please).
Only absolute NO for me is about blasphemy and sex with Nuns and priests but since there aare all heatens...Fuck Solansia!
The only defect I see is a certain running in circles and casuality of encounters and statistics, and yes a VERY slow start although it's completely understandable storywise: no one want an Hero that bend on at the first pressure!

Allow me to add an update : as I play it back from beginning when a new release is made , only now I have reached the (provisional) end of Shaya investigation storyline.
Well, it's a fantastic plot and an unexpected turn, ABSOLUTELY ROMANTIC one I have to add.
In this orgy of debauchery and kinkiness, such one and Baron Casimir's Fate (no spoiler) shine of the pure light of Love itself.

Fcking add virtual novel to this because its spacebar simulator. Content and porn are good though, just novel levels of text between everything. Like, I can literally close my eyes and press space bar for 5 minutes straight and still not be done with a section of non-porn text, and its unskippable.

v0.3.02A

Good :
- Artworks are very nice
- The story is well written and interesting
- Lot of options
- Lot of potential love interest
- Lot of sex
- I love the music

Bad :
- Not enough scenes involving the MC and his wife
- Too many NTR/gay/sharing content
- Too many black screens during dialogues
- Impossible to change the MC's firstname
- Text is needlessly too long
- Can't trigger contents without the right lvl which takes too long to XP, i had to use the console commands
- A mix of RPG and VN gameplay while it could be fully VN
- Random events are too hard to trigger
- Some content from previous versions have been gone

1/5 - DNF; Didn't get me off

Gameplay is split in two phases. A sandbox VN phase and a 4X style exploration phase. The sandbox phase is boring because of a lack of choices. You'll typically end up reading 10-20 minutes of text and then get a choice of watch/don't watch scene. In fact, 90% of choices are watch/don't watch scene. The other choices have little impact on the story. The 4X phase suffers because the map is barren. You walk around, get a random SFW encounter and then one of your resources goes up. That's pretty much it, there was only one NSFW scene I found when exploring and only one quest scene.
Porn consists of 2-3 drawings and ~15 clicks of text. Drawings are good, descriptions are bad. Over 2/3 of all porn scenes are either ntr, (submissive) gay, or femdom. Don't go into this expecting an evil tough guy harem game. But even if those are your kinks, the scenes fail because of the story, as described below.

The story doesn't make any sense. MC is introduced as a tough guy hero who selflessly saved the world from a demonic invasion, but now all of a sudden he's so selfish that he decides to destroy the whole world for personal reasons? What? And another thing, MC is a skilled warrior who has killed hundreds of demons, but now suddenly two are too much for him to handle so he becomes their slave? Ridiculous. Other reviewers praise the game for being "dark" - at one point early in the game you have a choice of killing your friend or watching as your master kills 12 civilians. But why can't you just kill your master? It doesn't make any sense, and it seems that the story is simply dark for the sake of being edgy, not because it naturally flows there.
And if you are interested in any of the submissive content, it's even worse. Again, MC acts like a tough alpha male yet in almost all of the submissive sex scenes he transforms into a whining bitch. There is absolutely no attempt to reconcile these two sides of him. Is he maybe a secret submissive, does Andras really turn him on, or what? Why the sudden transformation? And of course after the scene is over MC transforms back to normal as if nothing happened. There will be no mention of the events that happened. So if you choose to get immersed and stay in character none of the scenes will make sense. Here is a typical scene for example: "To prove your loyalty, you must suck my dick. Muhahahaha! Oh? You don't want to? Well ok I guess you don't have to..." It's the same for ntr and femdom scenes. There is no setup, no corruption, nothing. You either stay in character and skip the scene, or throw out immersion to watch a scene that doesn't make sense. It's almost like the devs wrote the porn scenes first and then clumsily wrapped a story around to fit.

When I play VNs, especially VNs with 10+ minutes of dialogue between choices, I want to get immersed in the story, in the characters. This story is so awful that I couldn't do that here. And because there is so much story, after I realized I wasn't getting immersed I just started skipping to the scenes so I could bust a nut. But the scenes here don't make sense without the story, so with the exception of two lengthy scenes, none of them did anything for me.
So in short, regardless of whether you're here for the porn, the story, or the gameplay, it's a hard pass.


- Skill checks are made using a D&D like DC system. Luck, not careful allocation of points, decides whether you pass the checks.
- The artist cannot draw faces. They are all ugly.
- A few scenes have very bright high contrast drawings.
- Very slow development speed.

This is a very well written game with incredible variety.

On the fantasy/adventure side of things, it has an interesting story with defined and diverse characters. You can see your evil or good choices having an effect on Rowan and on those around him throughout the game. The erotic side of writing is also fantastic. Not only do Seeds of Chaos’ developers write some very spicy scenes; the game is inclusive of many different sexualities, kinks, and general options. There might be one or two other games on this site that come close to this level of variety, but I don’t think any are as well-organized as SoC.

Without going into details, I also want to mention that I appreciate how dark this story can get at times and how many weird places it visits. I think it’s rare to see that in a game of this caliber. I just want to stress: really, you won’t be disappointed by the story.

The art is expressive and lovely. The castle management system can be fun. It also has a neat system of map exploration, if you’re into that kind of thing. Overall, there are so many mechanics in this game that impress and set it far above the average eroge.

However, there are some mechanical issues I don’t like, and unfortunately they’re kind of significant. Some events are locked behind stat checks—I think this would be fine if there were either an easy way grind stats early or a more convenient way to save-scum. However, because some scenes with high DC can trigger early, and some high DCs are outright baked into the story early, you end up with playthroughs where it’s like: “Week 6: I failed my perception check finding the noble woman, was blocked by this failure, and did nothing. Week 7: again, failed the check; did nothing. Week 8: again, did nothing… Week 12: I finally passed my perception check and was able to begin this storyline.”

There are also some events that are just entirely random. You could play this game 100 times and never see parts of this game or have them be a part in your current playthrough’s story. Again, this can work for other games where you restart often and quickly. However, because this game is so grindy and because the entire point of this game are its scenes, it’s very frustrating to replay/reload the game several times over and never find the story you’re looking for.

Regardless, I wouldn’t be so frustrated about those mechanical issues if I wasn’t so in love with the storytelling that I want to see all of its scenes so badly. Overall, I feel like Seeds of Chaos is a must-play for anyone who likes a good story.

Its not bad, in fact theres a lot of potential here. But this game being in development for 5 years or something like that, its next to barren. You literally have like 3 story points so far. Some fun porn scenes in between, for sure, but still its way to little for the time this games been in development. Really wish theyd drop this one and focus on the darkest dungeon one, its much better. 3 stars are mainly for the fact theres not much to do story wise, if you dont mind that you can easily give it 5 stars. I cant.

I liked:
- A genius premise. As one of the few western H-games where the main plot doesn't detract or distract from the sexual content but bolsters and improves it, SoC is in a league of its own.
- As someone who barely pays attention to visuals in these types of games and would normally prefer a full-on text game over anything else, the quality of art work is legitimately stunning at times.

I disliked:
- The game is in a dire need of an expanded 1st act. Include Alexia and Rowan's first kiss, their first heated quarrel, a couple of snapshots of their everyday life and maybe even some light infidelity in the past to show the SEEDS of the CHAOS inside of her. This would both improve her weak characterization and help with the NTR aspect of the game, clearly its main theme and purpose.
- Alexia every so often feels like a secondary character. While the idea of her being a bird stuck in a golden cage and gradually falling for the few people that offer her positive attention while her husband is forced to bear the weight of the world on his shoulders is arousing, the level of execution is uneven, not to mention how unfocused the game becomes at times with its mediocre side content.

I would argue that the game would be much better off being laser-focused on Alexia's corruption arc, slowing it down, showing more of it as it progresses and definitely NOT using a contrived horny-spell that demolishes tension reducing Alexia's character to 'brainless whore' throwing, once again, all the buildup into the garbage bin FOR NO REASON.

This is one of the biggest, most ambitious games on this site. And somehow they do a fantastic job with it, unlike 99% of other ambitious 2d games. All the art is detailed, there's a ton of it, and somehow they made it all a consistent style. And a lot of the recent art has been animated! I have no idea how they're doing it. So, in terms of production values, this game is a 5/5.

In terms of lewd-content, this game is a definite 6/5 for me, because I happen to enjoy all the fetishes. Particularly transformation, corruption, and NTR. There is also some fantasy harem thrown in if that is your thing. The corruption/NTR of Alexia (Rowan's wife) is really master-class and I can't wait to see where it goes. I'm really happy to see that there has been a ton of Alexia content added since I last played this game a few years ago. I am really strongly considering becoming a patron because of how great the additions have been. If the next few updates are solid, I'm sold.

Keep up the good work devs. Great job so far.

While the art and all of the sex stuff is amazing quality in this game, that isn't why this game inspired me to share my opinion and heartfelt reccomendation. This is the type of story that stays with you. As Rowan, you are thrown in a very desperate situation that keeps spiraling out of control. And trough the fire and the flames savoury character development ensues. There are a LOT of choices to make and all explicit content is optional. It's a great work of art.
The music is a definitive downside though as the same few tracks play in almost every situation. It can become grating and sometimes unfitting to what happens in the game. I would recommend turning it off and perhaps playing music from a playlist of your own to enhance the experience. There's a misspelling or a grammatical error here and there, especially with newer content, but it doesn't take much away from the experience. The writing overall is pretty good.
Gameplay is a mess but at least it isn't grindy so you can focus on the story itself. That is where this game shines. I would say that the game would benefit if it was done more as a visual novel.
All in all I am excited to see what will became of Rowan Blackwell in the end.
Version as of the time writing this review: v0.2.65