Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.13a] [Vénus Noire]

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wait they didnt finished first act yet? that is crazy that game is in development like 10years? and on their website in FQA they plan to make act 3
 
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Will Rowan attempt to remove the necklaces from himself and his wife? He’s afraid to trust anyone in the castle because those people are loyal to the Twins, but he could turn to the Fae for help. They arrived as a third party; the Fae were initially even hostile towards the Twins. But from the dialogues, we learn that the witch wants Rowan to help her. Rowan could strike a deal with the witch in secret from the Twins to remove the necklaces. Whitescar seems to genuinely not want unnecessary sacrifices and is on the side of good. Why hasn’t the wolf offered help? And Rowan himself isn’t asking for help. If he removes the necklaces, it would free him. He doesn’t ask them, ‘Is there any spell or artifact to get rid of this necklace?’ Of course, the necklace can teleport, allows telepathic communication, but doesn’t let them read his mind (or so it seems). Otherwise, Rowan couldn’t occasionally deceive the Twins; perhaps they allow him to bend the truth a little and pretend they don’t understand, but it seems like the necklace doesn’t allow mind-reading. He could at least take a risk. He could try to find a section in the library where knowledge about magical necklaces or artifacts giving control over an opponent is gathered, to understand how to resist such magic. He carries out the Twins’ orders well, but doesn’t try to take steps towards liberation. I’m just thinking that it wouldn’t cost him anything to remove the necklace from himself and his wife simultaneously if he’s allowed to see her. But he’s not looking for that means.
 
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Will Rowan attempt to remove the necklaces from himself and his wife? He’s afraid to trust anyone in the castle because those people are loyal to the Twins, but he could turn to the Fae for help. They arrived as a third party; the Fae were initially even hostile towards the Twins. But from the dialogues, we learn that the witch wants Rowan to help her. Rowan could strike a deal with the witch in secret from the Twins to remove the necklaces. Whitescar seems to genuinely not want unnecessary sacrifices and is on the side of good. Why hasn’t the wolf offered help? And Rowan himself isn’t asking for help. If he removes the necklaces, it would free him. He doesn’t ask them, ‘Is there any spell or artifact to get rid of this necklace?’ Of course, the necklace can teleport, allows telepathic communication, but doesn’t let them read his mind (or so it seems). Otherwise, Rowan couldn’t occasionally deceive the Twins; perhaps they allow him to bend the truth a little and pretend they don’t understand, but it seems like the necklace doesn’t allow mind-reading. He could at least take a risk. He could try to find a section in the library where knowledge about magical necklaces or artifacts giving control over an opponent is gathered, to understand how to resist such magic. He carries out the Twins’ orders well, but doesn’t try to take steps towards liberation. I’m just thinking that it wouldn’t cost him anything to remove the necklace from himself and his wife simultaneously if he’s allowed to see her. But he’s not looking for that means.
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You have a point, i guess that the only reason why this is not the case is that Rowan has been too focused in being a good servant in order to survive, however, he is still making comments here and there about using his connections againts the Twins eventually, so this should be an option later on.
 
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gfgdg said:
Will Rowan attempt to remove the necklaces from himself and his wife? He’s afraid to trust anyone in the castle because those people are loyal to the Twins, but he could turn to the Fae for help. They arrived as a third party; the Fae were initially even hostile towards the Twins. But from the dialogues, we learn that the witch wants Rowan to help her. Rowan could strike a deal with the witch in secret from the Twins to remove the necklaces. Whitescar seems to genuinely not want unnecessary sacrifices and is on the side of good. Why hasn’t the wolf offered help? And Rowan himself isn’t asking for help. If he removes the necklaces, it would free him. He doesn’t ask them, ‘Is there any spell or artifact to get rid of this necklace?’ Of course, the necklace can teleport, allows telepathic communication, but doesn’t let them read his mind (or so it seems). Otherwise, Rowan couldn’t occasionally deceive the Twins; perhaps they allow him to bend the truth a little and pretend they don’t understand, but it seems like the necklace doesn’t allow mind-reading. He could at least take a risk. He could try to find a section in the library where knowledge about magical necklaces or artifacts giving control over an opponent is gathered, to understand how to resist such magic. He carries out the Twins’ orders well, but doesn’t try to take steps towards liberation. I’m just thinking that it wouldn’t cost him anything to remove the necklace from himself and his wife simultaneously if he’s allowed to see her. But he’s not looking for that means.
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He'd have to find a way to do it simultaneously. If he removes Alexia's he better be able to hide her away from the Twins in moments because they would be snatching him up immediately. If he removes his own, Alexia is still captive. I do think he should be considering it but imo this should be a central plot in Act 2 with the decision made either in the middle of Act 3? So we are far, far, far away from that point.
 
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He'd have to find a way to do it simultaneously. If he removes Alexia's he better be able to hide her away from the Twins in moments because they would be snatching him up immediately. If he removes his own, Alexia is still captive. I do think he should be considering it but imo this should be a central plot in Act 2 with the decision made either in the middle of Act 3? So we are far, far, far away from that point.
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He has no choice anyway. He could gather an army of allies, but they’ll just teleport him and kill him. Until he removes the damned necklace, he can’t do anything. Since he has to do it anyway, no matter what his goals are, and no matter what role he plays—good or bad—he should be looking for possible ways to remove that necklace right now. He’s like an RPG player who won’t proceed with the main story until all the side quests are done:
  • F*ck Alexia - completed
  • Go with the drow for beasties - completed
  • Drink beer with the minotaur - completed
  • ‘Oh right, I don’t look majestic enough… dwarf, build me a statue!’
He should be seeking answers right now. If he starts looking for them in Act 1 and only finds the solution in Act 3, that would sound logical. If you’re going to say he should only start searching in Act 3, that’s nonsense—he might not have enough time. Yes, he needs to remove two necklaces simultaneously. If we find a solution against one necklace, that same solution is applicable against the other; they’re two identical necklaces, they perform the same function. These are the kinds of options a reasonable hero would be considering. Yes, it might not be possible, but I’m saying he’s not even trying to find answers. Let’s face it, in the main storyline, he hasn’t gotten a single step closer to freeing himself from the collar. Yes, he’s secured the support of some individuals in the castle. But the dwarf is loyal to the Twins, the merchant (Cla-min) won’t betray Jezera because the portals provide profit, the succubi aren’t fighters and won’t openly conflict with an orc army, the orcs are afraid of the red demon. All his allies are unreliable. And the more unreliable allies there are, the greater the chances that the Twins will find out everything.
‘No, my Lord Aragorn, we are alone.’
 
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I think there cannot be any uprising within Act 1. Rowan being enslaved by the twins is the central part of the story, and that status quo changing is such a big deal that it gas to happen in a new act.
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I agree, but the preparations for a rebellion should be done in advance. He doesn’t even have a plan of action. Right now, Rowan is more like a tool who only does what he’s told. If you’re playing the role of a good guy, he just does it a little slower, but he still does it.
 
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gfgdg said:
Will Rowan attempt to remove the necklaces from himself and his wife? He’s afraid to trust anyone in the castle because those people are loyal to the Twins, but he could turn to the Fae for help. They arrived as a third party; the Fae were initially even hostile towards the Twins. But from the dialogues, we learn that the witch wants Rowan to help her. Rowan could strike a deal with the witch in secret from the Twins to remove the necklaces. Whitescar seems to genuinely not want unnecessary sacrifices and is on the side of good. Why hasn’t the wolf offered help? And Rowan himself isn’t asking for help. If he removes the necklaces, it would free him. He doesn’t ask them, ‘Is there any spell or artifact to get rid of this necklace?’ Of course, the necklace can teleport, allows telepathic communication, but doesn’t let them read his mind (or so it seems). Otherwise, Rowan couldn’t occasionally deceive the Twins; perhaps they allow him to bend the truth a little and pretend they don’t understand, but it seems like the necklace doesn’t allow mind-reading. He could at least take a risk. He could try to find a section in the library where knowledge about magical necklaces or artifacts giving control over an opponent is gathered, to understand how to resist such magic. He carries out the Twins’ orders well, but doesn’t try to take steps towards liberation. I’m just thinking that it wouldn’t cost him anything to remove the necklace from himself and his wife simultaneously if he’s allowed to see her. But he’s not looking for that means.
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I agree that lack of events regarding the necklace in act 1 is an oversight. I had plans for Rowan pressuring Nasim to look into it if the player discovers more about his backstory in act 1, but it's one of the things that simply fell out of focus with time.

In the end the matter of the necklace will be further explored in act 2.
 
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Nym85 said:
I just think it makes better sense to find a way to get the twins killed though?
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I think the most realistic way to end them is to trick them into killing each other, it's not uncommon for brothers in monarchies to stab each other in the back for power, so rowan and alexia could work to plant the seed of discord between them and make them want to kill.
 
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Birdnman993 said:
I think the most realistic way to end them is to trick them into killing each other, it's not uncommon for brothers in monarchies to stab each other in the back for power, so rowan and alexia could work to plant the seed of discord between them and make them want to kill.
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I could see plenty of scenarios
a) as you said, get them to kill each other or at least Andras kills Jezera, she mortally wounds him, you get to finish him yourself or vice versa
b) you gain a boon by Kharos for being a true champion of Chaos (the Twins were absolutely ready to drop the ideology and be feudal lords and probably would prefer that) which lets you enslave one or both of them though perhaps you have to gain their favour first. This would be the perfect ending to an Overlord path imo, have them as your slaves or heck have them as your champions and/or consorts
c) you get the Living Saint to kill them
 
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Nym85 said:
b) you gain a boon by Kharos for being a true champion of Chaos (the Twins were absolutely ready to drop the ideology and be feudal lords and probably would prefer that) which lets you enslave one or both of them though perhaps you have to gain their favour first. This would be the perfect ending to an Overlord path imo, have them as your slaves or heck have them as your champions and/or consorts
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The ending most people want, but such an idyllic scenario seems almost as far away as the ending of One Piece.

Maybe in the end the seeds of chaos were the friends we fucked along the way. :LUL:
 
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