Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.13a] [Vénus Noire]

[diebesgrab]

Since the subject of gay and lesbian content has been brought up just recently, as has avoiding certain kinds of content, I’m curious: is it currently possible to avoid heterosexual content? At least for our protagonists; the twins being who they are, they’ll take any partners they like and if that’s necessary to advance the plot, so be it. But would it be possible to have a playthrough where Rowan only has sex with men, or Alexia only has sex with women?

 

[lamebrain]

All I know is that Rowan is a little baby bitch boy. NTR gang rise up. It's one of the few games that has well-written NTR and that's something that makes it actually interesting (unlike the vast majority of harem games which are boring as shit). Alexia is hot as fuck and basically, she needs to get some non-human dick all up inside her. Liurial is also a babe, but there ought to be a scene where Liurial gets tentacle-fucked, idk, feed that hot little blonde piece to the Wompus or the Weemple or whatever the fuck the devs named the big, grey tentacle thing. Food for thought.

 

[T51bwinterized]

Since the subject of gay and lesbian content has been brought up just recently, as has avoiding certain kinds of content, I’m curious: is it currently possible to avoid heterosexual content? At least for our protagonists; the twins being who they are, they’ll take any partners they like and if that’s necessary to advance the plot, so be it. But would it be possible to have a playthrough where Rowan only has sex with men, or Alexia only has sex with women?

Not abosultely 100% I don't think? There's a few scenes off my head where there was some kind of coding problem that would prevent dodging. Also some of the mandatory scenes like the Sack have lots of M/f in them. But, we can't exactly cut them either.

That said, you can come pretty fucking close to 100% no straight run. Lots of the MF scenes in the game are avoidable (partially for gay players, partially for people who want to rmeain faithful).

 

[diebesgrab]

Not abosultely 100% I don't think? There's a few scenes off my head where there was some kind of coding problem that would prevent dodging. Also some of the mandatory scenes like the Sack have lots of M/f in them. But, we can't exactly cut them either.

That said, you can come pretty fucking close to 100% no straight run. Lots of the MF scenes in the game are avoidable (partially for gay players, partially for people who want to rmeain faithful).

I mean it’s a big wide world and we’re playing on the side of sex fiends, so I expect some het sex going on in general; but what about Rowan and Alexia, specifically? Can they avoid heterosexual content as things currently stand without avoiding sex entirely? I know a lot of people who are primarily interested in gay content aren’t going to be super into SoC in the first place, but it’d be nice to have the option.

 

[T51bwinterized]

I mean it’s a big wide world and we’re playing on the side of sex fiends, so I expect some het sex going on in general; but what about Rowan and Alexia, specifically? Can they avoid heterosexual content as things currently stand without avoiding sex entirely? I know a lot of people who are primarily interested in gay content aren’t going to be super into SoC in the first place, but it’d be nice to have the option.

I think so. There may be one or two scenes that fall in between the cracks. But, for the most part it's also skipable.

 

[T51bwinterized]

Me returning to the thread be like
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Its bizarre how you want to degrade the SoC story to simple harem
Also degrade my argument to simple kink shaming.

The funny part of it is that my fav girl is Helayna and she is part of the harem story line. So im not even on the other side of this bizarre "kink war" you apparently waging.

For me it is not about silly argument what kinks are better, its about demand to oversimplify story and sacrifice plot lines because some people think "ugh i hate these dude Andras, he bullies me, when can i kill him? "
Killing off Andres will remove entire ntr plotlines and deprive people who in to this stuff. Do you even though about that?

Andras is a very well written character this why he provokes emotions, that the hole point of it! This mean writers did a great job at creating a well defined villain, in this case a "bully type character". But he is more then that he is essential plot device to move story forward.

That's basicly my point. i dont wnna see writers being bulled in to favoring one particular kink and derail entire storylines that were build up for litarally years beacuse the vocal minority wants oversimplification.

Just drop it. It looks like you read too much into Ori was saying. There;s no point in arguing against no one.

All I know is that Rowan is a little baby bitch boy. NTR gang rise up. It's one of the few games that has well-written NTR and that's something that makes it actually interesting (unlike the vast majority of harem games which are boring as shit). Alexia is hot as fuck and basically, she needs to get some non-human dick all up inside her. Liurial is also a babe, but there ought to be a scene where Liurial gets tentacle-fucked, idk, feed that hot little blonde piece to the Wompus or the Weemple or whatever the fuck the devs named the big, grey tentacle thing. Food for thought.

Liurial is mostly sexually focused on the maledom crowd. That's fine, because not every charachter or plot arc has to be for the same audience.

That said, one of my goals in the upcoming Liurial rework is to make her more intiresting as a person. So it should allow players more ways to engage with her outside of sexual contact. So the entire playerbase should be able to enjoy the new work being done to one extent or another.

 

[lamebrain]

Liurial is mostly sexually focused on the maledom crowd

Yeah, that's super chill. I get it. It was just some wishful thinking from my end, y'know?

Anyway, my wider goal here is just to make the idea of more tentacle scenes with the Worple (or whatever the fuck that thing is called) more widespread; spread the seedlings of that idea into the minds of the devs, Inception-style...

 

[Lurker_555111]

Whenever I play this game I feel like Rowan should just instigate a rebellion against demon twins and become a new Demon Lord.
Like, what are those two even doing all their time? I've only seen Andras being Rowan's guard in the orc camp, all the other time he's shown either trying to fuck Rowan's wife or Rowan himself. Same with Andras's sister, she only opened a couple of portals on breaks between attempts to fuck Rowan and his wife.
All their success relies solely on Rowan doing all the work.

 

[lamebrain]

Whenever I play this game I feel like Rowan should just instigate a rebellion against demon twins and become a new Demon Lord.

The reason why he doesn't rise up in the game is because he's canonically about 5'10".

 

[T51bwinterized]

Whenever I play this game I feel like Rowan should just instigate a rebellion against demon twins and become a new Demon Lord.
Like, what are those two even doing all their time? I've only seen Andras being Rowan's guard in the orc camp, all the other time he's shown either trying to fuck Rowan's wife or Rowan himself. Same with Andras's sister, she only opened a couple of portals on breaks between attempts to fuck Rowan and his wife.
All their success relies solely on Rowan doing all the work.

How's he going to do that exactly?

He can't just fight the twins. Jezera has a complex set of defensive spells and enchantments. Andras is far and away a stronger fighter. Both of them are ludicrously hard to kill and basically impossible to poison so a quick assassination is out the window.

The bulk of the military forces inside the castle are orcs loyal to Andras and the only practical way to leave or come to the tower is controlled by Jezera.

Also they put a bomb around Rowan and his wife's neck.

The most plausible answer is build up a network of allies and a power base and use it to support the effort. But that takes time to develop, no?

 

[Rein]

The reason why he doesn't rise up in the game is because he's canonically about 5'10".

That doesn't sound right but I cannot be arsed to check the height chart.

 

[lamebrain]

That doesn't sound right but I cannot be arsed to check the height chart.

He has 5'10" vibes.

 

[Lurker_555111]

How's he going to do that exactly?

He can't just fight the twins. Jezera has a complex set of defensive spells and enchantments. Andras is far and away a stronger fighter. Both of them are ludicrously hard to kill and basically impossible to poison so a quick assassination is out the window.

The bulk of the military forces inside the castle are orcs loyal to Andras and the only practical way to leave or come to the tower is controlled by Jezera.

Also they put a bomb around Rowan and his wife's neck.

Idk, maybe choke the demon bitch with his dick while his wife rides Andras to death?

So they are completely defensive? Rowan should just die and let those idiots rot in their tower to the end of times.

I'm not demanding anything, just voicing how it feels playing this game for me.

 

[T51bwinterized]

Idk, maybe choke the demon bitch with his dick while his wife rides Andras to death?

So they are completely defensive? Rowan should just die and let those idiots rot in their tower to the end of times.

I'm not demanding anything, just voicing how it feels playing this game for me.

I mean. From an ethics standpoint there's a real argument to be made about "Should Rowan just kill himself?"

 

[lamebrain]

I mean. From an ethics standpoint there's a real argument to be made about "Should Rowan just kill himself?"

It would be really fucking funny if you added that as an option and it just game over'd and also deleted the save folder.

 

[Lurker_555111]

I mean. From an ethics standpoint there's a real argument to be made about "Should Rowan just kill himself?"

I mean, he should. It's narratively suggested that the only reason demon twins have accomplished anything, aside opening portals, is thanks to Rowan.

 

[Lurker_555111]

It would be really fucking funny if you added that as an option and it just game over'd and also deleted the save folder.

Better, showed a "Happy end" screen and deleted the entire game folder.

 

[T51bwinterized]

Well there is several dimensions to that question.

The first is that it's only an ethical choice if we narrowly accept that no twins is automatically more moral then yes twins. Which is probably true, but is more complex then it looks because Solense is shit, and it begs the question if not overturning the world order now would have worse consequences down the road.

Second, regardless of ethics it may or may not be a reasonable choice, because not all Rowan's are entirely or even mostly motivated by broader ethics. He may care about him s wife, himself, revenge, etc etc.

Third, there's the question of what the twins would accomplish without him. We leave it an open question on purpose. But, you also should consider that if Rowan died the twins would look for another Major Domo. Would that new Major Domo be as effective as Rowan? If less, how much less? Would they be more Evil then Rowan? What if Rowan is either effectively mitigating the harms of the twins or else hastening their downfall?

Then there's the question of when Rowan does it. How much so have his actions already taken the genie out of the bottle? If he kills himself during the sack of Rastedel, how much more good does that to relative to doing so in the dungeon?

 

[Lurker_555111]

Well there is several dimensions to that question.

The first is that it's only an ethical choice if we narrowly accept that no twins is automatically more moral then yes twins. Which is probably true, but is more complex then it looks because Solense is shit, and it begs the question if not overturning the world order now would have worse consequences down the road.

Second, regardless of ethics it may or may not be a reasonable choice, because not all Rowan's are entirely or even mostly motivated by broader ethics. He may care about him s wife, himself, revenge, etc etc.

Third, there's the question of what the twins would accomplish without him. We leave it an open question on purpose. But, you also should consider that if Rowan died the twins would look for another Major Domo. Would that new Major Domo be as effective as Rowan? If less, how much less? Would they be more Evil then Rowan? What if Rowan is either effectively mitigating the harms of the twins or else hastening their downfall?

Then there's the question of when Rowan does it. How much so have his actions already taken the genie out of the bottle? If he kills himself during the sack of Rastedel, how much more good does that to relative to doing so in the dungeon?

I believe Rowan being one of the heroes that defeated Demon Lord and his role in it, makes him several dozen times more efficient than anything that twins could find. So he either kills himself which leads to twins inevitable downfall or conquers the world and still gets backstabbed at the end and dies, because demons are treacherous bastards and can't be trusted.
Regarding Solense: I don't give a fuck about the world, I just want demon twins to fail and die in agony.

 

[Nym85]

I am fairly certain I have managed to run through the game without ever having sex with a female with Rowan but that did involve rolling back liberally.

On the ethics of Rowan killing himself, his assumption probably is that Alexia would then be raped, tortured and killed and not necessarily in that order. If Rowan was willing to discard Alexia's life, he has far better options than killing himself. He can betray the twins at several points and lead to their destruction. Sure they'd use the amulet to kill him (and do the above to Alexia) but he could really raise the alarm and destroy their chances.

Which is why I see the corrupt route as the most convincing route. Rowan was a folk hero whose contribution is barely acknowledged in a feudal society that only cares about politics in the major population centers leading to his village being destroyed and the countryside ravaged without the nobles making any significant effort until one of their defenses falls. Having him be completely disillusioned by the current power structure is entirely logical. The issue is the pointless (and largely inefficient) cruelty of the twins and their orc army. So at the end you pretty much have to turn fully evil or else there really is no moral excuse for continuing to work with them, especially after Rastedel. It's clear Rowan cannot really keep their worst urges in check anyway and it rapidly becomes clear that staying alive and helping them just to save one person while damning hundreds or thousands more with the prospect of even worse atrocities to come is already evil. Better embrace it (or perhaps just go insane?)