Capt Price
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I don't know if I would say that's an apt comparison. I don't disagree with what you've said as clearly the twins hold the power, but to call Rowan a helpless middleman whose only purpose is to be used and disposed of is inaccurate. He's given plenty of opportunities to operate on his own and the further we go into act one the more he's able to push his own agenda. The twins are the angry brutes screaming "don't fail me" as Rowan is given incredible leeway to fulfill his mission. He has way more agency in his decisions than the Bane comparison gives him credit for.
Certainly, Rowan has a chance if he play his cards right... But this is just Act I, and as far we concern, the only character near to be an ally is Nasim, because for now Helayna isn't in better shape, if we (the players) goes dumb to see NTR with Alexia then she would be lost as an ally for us (Rowan). And is very tentative those scenes u know
... Now with all that said, as far as Act I goes, everything that Rowan has done worked in benefit of the Twins, after save the ass of that Sexual Demon murderer i cannot trust him/her whatever because as far the story goes Rowan still don't get a benefit of that, the first time i played and finally conquer Rastedel to see what comes of that because of the Twins, i knew exactly how character John Daggett from TDKR must had felt in that scene lol.Twins: Do you feel in charge?.
Rowan: I create for you an army, secure enough resources, forge alliances, conquer villages as Raeve Keep and the Half of Rastedel, put to work mines & breeding pits, resolve problems between your people and with the creatures you breed, diminish the faith in the Goddess, sacrifice Helayna, let you play with me and my wife when you have sexual needs...
Twins: And do you think that give you power over us?.
rolfmao.
Okay, so i contacted developer and i got this totally official response form Lord Arioch:
It come to our attention that pirate community is torn apart on the subject of power dynamics in SoC game.
it pain us to see people can't put aside there differences and accept the truth!
To avoid further confusion here is official chart of power levels in SoC as it stands for Act 1.
It come to our attention that pirate community is torn apart on the subject of power dynamics in SoC game.
it pain us to see people can't put aside there differences and accept the truth!
To avoid further confusion here is official chart of power levels in SoC as it stands for Act 1.
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That chart is all over the place and confusing. Am I the only one that went, "What?".
For instance, Rowan -- one of the greatest, most capable, and renowned heroes of the realms -- appears to be no better than a common soldier who shouldn't even be able to take down an old minotaur according to the chart. Huh?
Helayna is a masterful cook? Alexia can be thrown at the Orcs on the regular? When did those things happen? Did I miss something? I'm aware of only two scenes of Alexia with any Orc -- a BJ bar scene and a rape attempt made by another at Bloodmeen. I'll admit that I haven't encountered either from however long ago I last played the game though.
Who was Ameraine again? The vampire that Rowan can meet in Rastadel?
Red, Blue, the Mage, and X'Zaratl, okay, those ones makes sense.
Maybe define what power dynamics means here can make things clearer. Perhaps I'm simply interpreting things incorrectly.
Edit: Okay, so going in I had my doubts about the chart (due to the red flags but maybe it was just punched up quickly?) and about the whole LA angle since he works through intermediaries... However, considering how the dev team sometimes responds here with generous amounts of sarcasm while answering some questions combined with (admittedly) no small degree of naivete on my part and my willingness to trust Rivon, who wouldn't do such a thing as put that trust in doubt, I thought perhaps it was at least plausible and ran with it.
...I feel so betrayed. ^^"
For instance, Rowan -- one of the greatest, most capable, and renowned heroes of the realms -- appears to be no better than a common soldier who shouldn't even be able to take down an old minotaur according to the chart. Huh?
Helayna is a masterful cook? Alexia can be thrown at the Orcs on the regular? When did those things happen? Did I miss something? I'm aware of only two scenes of Alexia with any Orc -- a BJ bar scene and a rape attempt made by another at Bloodmeen. I'll admit that I haven't encountered either from however long ago I last played the game though.
Who was Ameraine again? The vampire that Rowan can meet in Rastadel?
Red, Blue, the Mage, and X'Zaratl, okay, those ones makes sense.
Maybe define what power dynamics means here can make things clearer. Perhaps I'm simply interpreting things incorrectly.
Edit: Okay, so going in I had my doubts about the chart (due to the red flags but maybe it was just punched up quickly?) and about the whole LA angle since he works through intermediaries... However, considering how the dev team sometimes responds here with generous amounts of sarcasm while answering some questions combined with (admittedly) no small degree of naivete on my part and my willingness to trust Rivon, who wouldn't do such a thing as put that trust in doubt, I thought perhaps it was at least plausible and ran with it.
...I feel so betrayed. ^^"
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monk_56
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It is pretty obviously just Rivon trolling.
Even if it weren't painfully obvious from all the cringey character titles, sarcasm about the dev giving him the chart, and sloppy power level comparisons; an actual power dynamic chart would be spoilery and something I could never see LA giving to some random pirate or even see value in making in the first place.
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If we assume that the chart is in fact from Lord Arioch, and not Rivons own meme (which I have my doubts)... its still a meme response. The entire response is written with a lack of seriousness. So I wouldn't take it too seriously regardless. Which is fine. Fans often take a piece of media far more seriously than its actual creators do. And when you look at it objectively, our 608 and counting pages of debates on here about the interpersonal dynamics of fictional characters in a porn game is pretty silly.
That said, lets get silly! Once again assuming this is in fact from Lord Arioch, even though this is a meme response that doesn't mean that there isn't truth within it as well. The first question is, is this a measure of the social and political hierarchy with in Bloodmeen or is a a measure of the individuals strength and power. I would argue the later because Rowan ostensibly outranks everyone but the twins. Sure you could argue that some of the character might be under him on paper but out rank him in real politics. And that may be true for characters like Cliohna and X'zaratl, but I don't think it is as true for characters like Greyhide or Ameraine, at least not to the degree this chart shows.
So that leaves us with a chart of the characters raw power. But Rowans position still seems odd because in the updated prologue he gives both the twins a run for their money when they attack his village, and with just 4-5 points invested in his combat skill he can reliably best Andras in a non-magical combat. The only way this chart could potentially still work is if this is truly just raw power. No skill, no strategy, no tricks, no maneuvering. Then I think it might work out about right, based on what we know of the characters.
I liken it to Batman . It is generally agreed among the comic book fandom that Batman can defeat any opponent IF given enough time to study the opponent and prepare for the conflict. But what constitutes enough time varies wildly depending on the opponent. It would take Batman an exponentially time longer to prepare for an opponent like Superman when compared to someone like Elongated Man. Rowan is quite possibly the weakest of the 6 heroes from a pure power standpoint. He's no slouch, but his real strength comes from strategy and subterfuge. I'm certain that given enough time he could get himself and Alexia out of this situation and stop the twins. But it is a very delicate situation and he is surrounded by people that with vastly more raw power than him. The question isn't really is he capable of stopping the twins and saving both himself and Alexia, it is will he be able to do it before it no longer matters because the twins managed to conquer the realms or either of them have been corrupted beyond saving.
That said, lets get silly!
Once again assuming this is in fact from Lord Arioch, even though this is a meme response that doesn't mean that there isn't truth within it as well. The first question is, is this a measure of the social and political hierarchy with in Bloodmeen or is a a measure of the individuals strength and power. I would argue the later because Rowan ostensibly outranks everyone but the twins. Sure you could argue that some of the character might be under him on paper but out rank him in real politics. And that may be true for characters like Cliohna and X'zaratl, but I don't think it is as true for characters like Greyhide or Ameraine, at least not to the degree this chart shows.So that leaves us with a chart of the characters raw power. But Rowans position still seems odd because in the updated prologue he gives both the twins a run for their money when they attack his village, and with just 4-5 points invested in his combat skill he can reliably best Andras in a non-magical combat. The only way this chart could potentially still work is if this is truly just raw power. No skill, no strategy, no tricks, no maneuvering. Then I think it might work out about right, based on what we know of the characters.
I liken it to Batman .
It is generally agreed among the comic book fandom that Batman can defeat any opponent IF given enough time to study the opponent and prepare for the conflict. But what constitutes enough time varies wildly depending on the opponent. It would take Batman an exponentially time longer to prepare for an opponent like Superman when compared to someone like Elongated Man. Rowan is quite possibly the weakest of the 6 heroes from a pure power standpoint. He's no slouch, but his real strength comes from strategy and subterfuge. I'm certain that given enough time he could get himself and Alexia out of this situation and stop the twins. But it is a very delicate situation and he is surrounded by people that with vastly more raw power than him. The question isn't really is he capable of stopping the twins and saving both himself and Alexia, it is will he be able to do it before it no longer matters because the twins managed to conquer the realms or either of them have been corrupted beyond saving.It does give Rowan power over them... eventually. Whether they're aware of it or not the more they rely on Rowan to build their ability to conquer the world, the more he's able to work on his own agenda, the more capable he becomes of rebelling. If we're going to continue using Dark Knight Rises as a comparison point, Rowan is Batman. He has been knocked down, he has been beaten, he has been broken, but he has the skills, knowledge, and will to rise up, take whatever advantage he can, and eventually defeat the twins. You're quite literally comparing him to someone that can be gotten rid of at any time, and he is, but losing him would set the twins back years. Rowan is the difference between a relatively quick, straight forward, comparatively bloodless campaign to years of pitched wars that the twins would likely lose. If the odds weren't so stacked against him Rowan would be a Gary Stu since he's handsome, a skilled orator, a natural diplomat, a seasoned general and an extremely skilled warrior with an expertise in multiple forms of combat and has shown himself to be so skilled that in a proper fight Andras would stand as much a chance of losing as winning, oh, and he's got that good dick. You're selling Rowan far, far shorter than Seeds of Chaos presents him as.Certainly, Rowan has a chance if he play his cards right... But this is just Act I, and as far we concern, the only character near to be an ally is Nasim, because for now Helayna isn't in better shape, if we (the players) goes dumb to see NTR with Alexia then she would be lost as an ally for us (Rowan). And is very tentative those scenes u know
Twins: Do you feel in charge?.
Rowan: I create for you an army, secure enough resources, forge alliances, conquer villages as Raeve Keep and the Half of Rastedel, put to work mines & breeding pits, resolve problems between your people and with the creatures you breed, diminish the faith in the Goddess, sacrifice Helayna, let you play with me and my wife when you have sexual needs...
Twins: And do you think that give you power over us?.
rolfmao.
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Check your status screen. You should have points available to spend.
A question to those that can help. Do you guys have a full save? though shameless of me, but I do play the game normally. If so are you able to provide? Just a question from a random person.
HunterUnderCover
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on week 22 even tho i have over 500 gold in the treasury and captured the fort i keep getting goal2fail
Jynx_lucky_j
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you also need to take over Reave Keep to the East before the time limit is up
Oh I'm right there with you when you say that, I too am a big X'Zaratl fan. Rowan and her now in the latest update show the beginnings of a deep connection between the two. One that I hope ends up having X'Zaratl not just want to be inbetween Alexia and Rowan all the time but show some of her own wants and desires for Rowan too. Hopefully as she mentioned before, she perhaps wants Rowan to love her and maybe even begin a family with her. So when you say will she ever use anything beside her cock, I think that's likely being saved for later acts due to those implications.
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While I mostly agree with your assessment I think there is one more large layer preventing Rowan from being a Gary Stu. Rowan is as basic as they come (for now) in a world of magic. He has no magical abilities, no magical items, and is a regular slightly above average sized human male in a world of incredible creatures and abilities. If we consider martial and cognitive abilities he is still powerfully portrayed in the game; but he is portrayed as frustratingly weak compared to most other male characters sexually. Orcs, sex demons, large human characters who top him, big fluffy the furry fey, driders, a tentacle monster, minotaurs. The only male characters who are portrayed as weaker are male elves, goblins, and human twinks. Rowan kinda has to get by competing by using the power of love and technique. I do find it frustrating as someone who enjoys playing from the Rowan POV the most. More sexual equivalency would be very satisfying. Could be achieved via temporary / permanent transformation, magical items (like the ring in the X‘Zaratl pregnancy event), or by toning down some of the sexual antagonists / competitors.
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Actually how do you resolve any of the Orc Camp stuff? Been messing around with it forever and I can't plan Delany's escape...and what's the point of corrupting her?
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Corrupting her locks you into Batari’s path- you cannot rescue her if you do this.
To rescue her you need to lock in multiple groups to assist you. You can find these by scouting the camp, raiding with Batari’s men, or requisitioning help from Cla-min.
Jynx_lucky_j: attempting the rescue solo requires starting to execute the Tarish route and having a change of heart during the process of the delivery. It might also have a low or Med corruption req; my memory of that part is fuzzy. I always opt for straight rescue now so I haven’t attempted that rescue route since my first play through, it also may have changed slightly based on the mechanics rehash- I presume the core components remained the same though.
HunterUnderCover
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thats what i meant by the fort, and the cutscene always says how i failed to take care of the finance and shit i forgot the exacts