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I feel like it'd be very difficult to make her return plausible, in the sense given her escape about the only role she has left in case of return is to be tortured until she gives away who facilitated her escape in the first place. Neither Jezera nor Andras strike me as someone who'd allow her to just prance around, without making double sure she's been permanently mind broken this time into becoming an orc cock sleeve, at the very least. It wouldn't matter how much Rowan is going to whine about it.
It depends on the narrative... The Twins enjoy making Rowan suffer by taking choices to show the most simple loyalty, they can force Rowan to choose her punishment or she will be permakilled... So... As an element for the narrative, I don't think Act II and much less for Act III to be as open minded or sandbox as Act I, as there are choices and paths taken which history will be move forward, as Rowan could be testify on Rastedel's Fall, he wouldn't waste time and resources and hope in trying to make The Twins a change of heart. He will take the chance if he have it, he'll save her for his own good if in Act I choose to freed her, but the only thing would be how terrible the choices for punishment for her would be choose by Rowan.

It depends on the narrative, and from SoC Team decisions of course... :cautious: I don't have high expectancy, it would be a surprise if they come from more than just that for Act II...
 

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We can oversimplify the paths for most characters and see where the others may fit.
The best example for the current discussion is Rowan (these are obviously speculations on my part about the possible paths but looking at the choices we have to make they make sense)
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With these simple template you can come to the conclusion that Helayna and the others can fit in one of these paths as well:
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This is how I see it in a simplified matter since there are more things at play here like corruption, guilt and other paths that have nothing to do with Rowan's arc.
For now it's fair to say that her story will be closely related to Rowan and less with the Twins compared to Alexia.
 
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You do realize there will eventually be branches in which the twins don't get to make those decisions anymore right?
What ever makes you believe this? The only paths for the game which are in place at the moment are ones where you turn on the twins for either good or selfish purpose (effectively ending the game) or serve them faithfully to the bitter end. This doesn't leave room for any sort of power struggle in the middle of the game, where the twins would suddenly start to obey Rowan's wishes against their own.
 
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What ever makes you believe this? The only paths for the game which are in place at the moment are ones where you turn on the twins for either good or selfish purpose (effectively ending the game) or serve them faithfully to the bitter end. This doesn't leave room for any sort of power struggle in the middle of the game, where the twins would suddenly start to obey Rowan's wishes against their own.
Because Rowan doesn't have power enough to compel them. Yet the Priest of Kharos does not show up for the Twins, he shows up for Rowan. I think the narrative sets him up for a chosen one path. Heck maybe in the finale (and only in the finale since anything earlier would be a mess for making CGs) he could even turn demon.
 

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Which choice is better for "Good" Rowan telling Helayna that it is dangerous for her to leave alone or helping her escape?
I think you would get heavy argument about that- and also about which initial choice is the most good.

I suspect the Dev's intended the 'escape' variant to be the more goody two shoes and they intended the 'letting her get raped' variant to be the more goody two shoes variant. A lot of the earlier logical binaries feel like they were designed by a deontologist. I'm not positive on that though- you'd have to ask them directly. Personally, I'm not convinced. The moral ambiguity seems like a design intent though.

Basically, there isn't really a clearly "good" approach vector to either the start of her plot or the end of it. Both major choices are somewhat grey- particularly if you approach them as a utilitarian. Unknown consequences are a bitch.

I try to play as good Rowan and I always claim her and tell her to stay. But it more of a "if all moral considerations are somewhat cloudy, what are other factors" sort of thing than a this a "this is clearly the good thing to do" sort of thing.
 
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Which choice is better for "Good" Rowan telling Helayna that it is dangerous for her to leave alone or helping her escape?
Helayna will try to escape even if you don't help her, so it's something she's really determined about; Alexia is genuinely hurt by her remaining around and the way Rowan "has" to maintain the ownership; plus, as the players we know for the fact her escape can be successfully orchestrated and carried out. With this benefit of 20/20 hindsight it is imo hard to argue that making her stay is going to be anything but a selfish wish to have one more warm body in the player's harem.

Put it differently, entire motivation fueling Rowan (at least initially) is to get his wife out of this demon castle. It then makes little sense he wouldn't do the same for another woman he cares about, when he has an actual, decent shot at pulling it off.
 
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I... I really don’t think SOC’s choice system has ever been morally binary. Pretty sure the entire premise all along has been “Rowan is in a shitty position and has to make a lot of decisions between things that AREN’T good.”
Just like I said a "good" Rowan.
 

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What is your game/head canon ?What choices did your Rowan/Alexia have made?
In my story Rowan is a virtuous hero with a set of morals that he never forgets.He is loyal to Alexia(except for Helayna because he needed to save her).He is even ready to use Chaos Magic just to make her happy.Alexia on the hand is someone who lost her way in bloodmeen she basically became a toy for Andras.
 
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My Rowan is basically the same as yours but my Alexia is loyal and hates Andras (you didn't ask but the reason for my choice is that I would really like to see at the end of the third game the couple facing and beating the twins IT WILL BE EPIC)
 

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Hello, I know that the answer I will receive is very possibly no, but one day maybe they will make a Rowan x Nazim content?
 

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Iirc one of the devs said Jezera had like 2 or 3 events left? Same with Andras NTR
Theres no way thats true... right? Feels like we just started getting Jezera content finally after so long, while the others been drip fed slowly forever. They cant both have the same amount of content left for Act 1
 
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since this gaming is calls as seeds of chaos . then is that possible to having the real seeds fo the corruption and transformation ?
i personal believe that alexia is the good female main character for this experiment. By swallowing up the seed of demon and transformation into one of it , it will be excellence to see the procession just like the anime of overlord the princess of renner open the box and swallow the seed then transform into a low succubus, if alexia could doing that it will be very great for this game.
 
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since this gaming is calls as seeds of chaos . then is that possible to having the real seeds fo the corruption and transformation ?
i personal believe that alexia is the good female main character for this experiment. By swallowing up the seed of demon and transformation into one of it , it will be excellence to see the procession just like the anime of overlord the princess of renner open the box and swallow the seed then transform into a low succubus, if alexia could doing that it will be very great for this game.
WTF are you talking about brother?
 

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So, regarding Jezera Content that is yet to come. There are 4 events remaining, and long story short, it’s not about the quantity of events, it’s about what the events need to contain in them.

When I sat with Winter to discuss what exactly we need for Jezera content, he requested that it contains a degree of rivalry, hostility. Jezera is one of the two main antagonists, and since I’m a femdom fan, he expressed concern that I would turn Rowan into a bitch boi. I on the other hand highlighted how a majority of Jezera fans want to be a bitch boi for her. Like, Jezera’s plot is not for people who want Maledom, it’s for people who want to be dominated by a sexy, toxic, whimsical demon mistress. But Winter did have a point, for SoC plot to make sense Rowan cannot be a complete bitch boi to Jezera all the time, and has to be able to push back. Which in itself is a challenge, because Jezera as a characters doesn’t accept being talked back to. So it would have to be a careful balancing act of Rowan being snarky and resisting her, but not to the point where Jezera, for her to stay true to her character, just slaps him silly for it.

So this was basically the premise – a plot where Rowan can be both a bitch boi and a proud hero standing true against the darkness. Doable. But since we basically had two different Rowans in that plot, we almost have two plots running simultaneously at the same time. Which means that Jezera events tend to be slightly on the larger side of things.

For how this reflects on the content being written, compare this:
Jezera is stressed, a SoC early event, has 1 416 words, takes about 6 pages, and flows like this:

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Now Breaking Ylszaras, which is the first among Jezera’s Favour events, has 9 703 words, 38 pages, and flows like this:

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Obviously, more words doesn’t necessarily mean an event is better, but newer events are better prepared to handle people playing Rowan as either Submissive or Dominant.

Now, as I said before, there are 4 more events planned in what I roughly consider to be “Jezera/Rowan Relationship path”.

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With the initial 4 favor events setting up events for the Favour Finale, and revolve primarily around how Rowan acted around Jezera in the 4 events that set it up. Now, the Jezera Finale Finale, which is set to trigger around week ~60, at some point before Rastedel finale kicks off, is set to take into account a variety of things: What plots Rowan completed, how he handled different plotlines, how corrupt he is, how well Astarte went, etc. etc., which will determine how happy Jezera is with his overall performance in act 1, and what his ultimate reward for all of this is. We could not have a Jezera storyline without taking into account Rowan’s overall actions during the entire game, which, as you can imagine, would be a headache if not done correctly.

So yes, it’s only 4 more events until the end of act 1 Jezera content. But I think people will be happy with them, because they have been set to appeal to the player regardless of what Rowan they play.
 

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When I sat with Winter to discuss what exactly we need for Jezera content, he requested that it contains a degree of rivalry, hostility. Jezera is one of the two main antagonists, and since I’m a femdom fan, he expressed concern that I would turn Rowan into a bitch boi. I on the other hand highlighted how a majority of Jezera fans want to be a bitch boi for her. Like, Jezera’s plot is not for people who want Maledom, it’s for people who want to be dominated by a sexy, toxic, whimsical demon mistress. But Winter did have a point, for SoC plot to make sense Rowan cannot be a complete bitch boi to Jezera all the time, and has to be able to push back.
I'd have to side with Winter on this one. I don't know if the majority really wants to be utterly dominated doormats, but for me the most enjoyable interactions with Jezera was the ability to resist in both her early events -- the one where she demands a massage and offers Rowan to make him cum, and the other one where he can declare he won't betray Alexia to which Jezera concludes not too worry, she'll just break/seduce both of them. These made the most narrative sense long term, when followed by Jezera corrupting Alexia over the course of the game, and Rowan slowly turning into someone who starts to entertain the thought of participating in the events Jezera arranges for him and possibly fucking as somewhat equal partners* (the dinner for Rowan to relax, etc)

This isn't to say Jezera eventually wrapping Rowan around her finger can't ever happen in such scenario, but having it as (optionally) a long process would definitely be up some people's alley, too.

*) this aspect (the 'somewhat equal partners' thing) also makes me think it might be a mistake to think of Rowan's paths as either Sub or Dom. Because as you note, Jezera doesn't strike me as someone who'd tolerate attempts to be pushed into sub role herself. So i'd rather approach this as Sub or Resisting paths, with the latter having Jezera acknowledge that Rowan has *some* agency in their relationship and when told to jump can give some input instead of merely asking, how high.
 
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What is your game/head canon ?What choices did your Rowan/Alexia have made?
In my story Rowan is a virtuous hero with a set of morals that he never forgets.He is loyal to Alexia(except for Helayna because he needed to save her).He is even ready to use Chaos Magic just to make her happy.Alexia on the hand is someone who lost her way in bloodmeen she basically became a toy for Andras.
If Rowan is a virtuous hero, then he kills himself (because they may have magic to actually compel him instead of just blackmail him) or just refuses to cooperate whatever may happen to Alexia. This is not really a complex ethical conundrum. You don't even need to get to Rastedel; you will have helped demons and orcs sack villages and sell people to slavery weeks before Helayna's castle falls, let alone destroy a large city. There is no coherent ethical argument, be it deontological or teleological for Rowan to continue helping the twins; you'd need to fully embrace some form of Randian Egoism of "Screw you I got Mine" to suggest otherwise. At most I can see him dying trying to get Helayna or Werden the message that Kharnas' children are alive and have sacked Bloodmeen.

You are not "good" Rowan. You are asshole Rowan who places his and his wife's lives above hundreds if not thousands of others but has some arbitrary limits on how much evil he will allow under his command. It's just hypocrisy.
 
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