Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.13a] [Vénus Noire]

[Nym85]

if you have to go this far, then you could also ask if alexia working has any benefit at all. her work is never important for the story as everything she does is optional.
the library gives a bit history on the chaos side of things.
the forge is mainly just greyhide backstory and a little bit castle upkeep.
the maid job is jezera and her politics.
the breeding pit is monster lore.
so there is really nothing of "importance" going on. especially since even if alexia would learn something of value for the plot, like as a maid for jezera, we don't even see her instructing things to rowan in that regard. we hardly see them interact outside of romantic/sexy stuff in general.
but do you play games like SoC for the main plot only? maybe it really captivated you. who knows? but i doubt that even 10% of players think like that. most want to see their favorite character in scenes. the more the better.

and in regards of worldbuilding: of course the tavern helps with that. with rowan we mostly get to see the heart of the military might of the twins. it's interesting to see how the forces of chaos deal with the outliers of the kingdoms.
generally speaking every character addition to a story allows for worldbuilding.

I already said that above. (and got a few facepalms for it). Alexia doesn't help advance the plot and if it wasn't for the Alexia deuteragonist part, the game would be in Act 3.

Would the game be as successful? Probably not. But the plot would be moving.

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

I mean, I am a patreon? And I'll say Ophelia has gotten great CGs so I get why someone would be into her. And I'm somewhat OK in that it is actual lesbian content. But the tavern has so much content and most of it is not even advancing the AndrasXAlexia story, let alone the actual plot of the game. It is entirely superfluous. Does it even help worldbuilding?

Alright your a patreon, so you get a vote. What do the other 9000 patreons have to say about it? The best way to find out would be putting out a patreon survey, but since you can't really do that, so the next best thing would be to start an emoji reaction poll on the discord server. Just ask them if they think that Ophelia should be cut to speed along development, and then let us know what the results are. I haven't been a patreon in about a year so I'm not up to date on the overall patreon mindset. But I would still wager that keeping Ophelia would win by quite a bit. I'm wiling to be proven wrong though.

Personally I don't care about Ophelia one way or another. If they removed her I would barely notice. But I also know that she does have her fans, so no matter how plot irrelevant she might be there would still be push back to cutting her.

Then again Ophelia is a bit of a special case. She has been around for a while and already has a decent amount of content. How much more content is even planned for her? At this point it might actually be less work to finish her arc than it would be to remove her. If you want you can do polls for the other things as well, they have less history and less sunk costs so they might get different results. Although I think those polls would end up the same way.

 

[Nym85]

Alright your a patreon, so you get a vote. What do the other 9000 patreons have to say about it? The best way to find out would be putting out a patreon survey, but since you can't really do that, so the next best thing would be to start an emoji reaction poll on the discord server. Just ask them if they think that Ophelia should be cut to speed along development, and then let us know what the results are. I haven't been a patreon in about a year so I'm not up to date on the overall patreon mindset. But I would still wager that keeping Ophelia would win by quite a bit. I'm wiling to be proven wrong though.

Personally I don't care about Ophelia one way or another. If they removed her I would barely notice. But I also know that she does have her fans, so no matter how plot irrelevant she might be there would still be push back to cutting her.

Then again Ophelia is a bit of a special case. She has been around for a while and already has a decent amount of content. How much more content is even planned for her? At this point it might actually be less work to finish her arc than it would be to remove her. If you want you can do polls for the other things you said to cut as well, they have less history and less sunk costs so they might get different results. Although I think those polls would end up the same way.

They do patreon surveys btw. I think at least once a year?

If they went by the patreon surveys, I assume Andras would be dead and the game would be about Alexia and various monster cocks.

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

They do patreon surveys btw. I think at least once a year?

If they went by the patreon surveys, I assume Rowan would be dead and the game would be about Alexia and various monster cocks.

I know, hence why I said they have a better idea of what the patreons want than we do.

 

[vandal.h]

Alright your a patreon, so you get a vote. What do the other 9000 patreons have to say about it? The best way to find out would be putting out a patreon survey, but since you can't really do that, so the next best thing would be to start an emoji reaction poll on the discord server. Just ask them if they think that Ophelia should be cut to speed along development, and then let us know what the results are. I haven't been a patreon in about a year so I'm not up to date on the overall patreon mindset. But I would still wager that keeping Ophelia would win by quite a bit. I'm wiling to be proven wrong though.

Personally I don't care about Ophelia one way or another. If they removed her I would barely notice. But I also know that she does have her fans, so no matter how plot irrelevant she might be there would still be push back to cutting her.

Then again Ophelia is a bit of a special case. She has been around for a while and already has a decent amount of content. How much more content is even planned for her? At this point it might actually be less work to finish her arc than it would be to remove her. If you want you can do polls for the other things as well, they have less history and less sunk costs so they might get different results. Although I think those polls would end up the same way.

I mean as one of the few non Jezera Lesbian options she's fine and I wasn't saying to remove her entirely. Just delay her plot till the second arc. She hasn't really had sex with Alexia yet, just some fantasy scene and breast sucking IIRC.

 

[Nym85]

I know, hence why I said they have a better idea of what the patreons want than we do.

And it shouldn't be important but up to a point. You take into account what patreons want ofc but at the end of the day, you need for the project to move. I am sure this year when they had the Andras x Rowan arc in nearly every update, they probably lost so many subs but it had to be done because it is part of the roadmap.

When you make a game, you make the game you want, not what the patreons want. or else you will NEVER finish.

 

[LeedMeep]

Scene Replay Mod

How to use
Download one of the following depending on which version of the game you are using:

0.4.01: SoC0401-windows.zip
0.3.13: SoC0313-windows.zip

Both are attached to this post.

• Unzip to the "game" folder.
• Launch the game and go to "Bonus" -> "Scene Replay"
• Use the "Unlock" button in the bottom left corner to unlock all the scenes.
• Scenes will naturally unlock as you play the game anyway.
• To apply filters, press "Scene Filters" in the bottom left corner.

If you find any bugs, please let me know.

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Hope opaquecake is alright for whatever he/she's doing, i'll wait for the update....

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

And it shouldn't be important. You take into account what patreons want ofc but at the end of the day, you need for the project to move. I am sure this year when they had the Andras x Rowan arc in nearly every update, they probably lost so many subs but it had to be done because it is part of the roadmap.

I don't know, according to the public facing data their subs seems pretty steady. Well within the normal fluctuations.

When you make a game, you make the game you want, not what the patreons want. or else you will NEVER finish.

But you also can't finish the game if you alienate the people paying for it. Its a balancing act. All I am saying is that they have more information than we do and can make a more informed decision.

 

[opaquecake]

¿Update?

Hope opaquecake is alright for whatever he/she's doing, i'll wait for the update....

Hey, sorry, will be Thursday or Friday for the new mod update. Away for work

 

[LeedMeep]

Hey, sorry, will be Thursday or Friday for the new mod update. Away for work

aight buddy, take your time as much as you need

 

[Rein]

How come he gets all the time he needs?!

 

[monk_56]

Ooof. That flat graph has gotta be frustrating for the developers. What with some of their writers being Americans and inflation going ape-shit over the last 3 years. Looks like the game plateaued financially.



Also yeah, Ophelia's plot was kinda boring and pointless. Pretty standard for for stuff on Alexia's side to be candid. It is usually just there for kink. When we met Ophelia I was like; Great a Prothean! We can learn so much cultural stuff from her and maybe have some non-cheating yuri.

Nope, I was wrong on both cases. Typical Alexia stuff with an extra veneer of slap-stick comedy. Prose was good- but it was empty kink plot for a kink I didn't care for.

In fairness to the writer, it was literally the first thing they did for the project, so they couldn't really have been expected to start balls deep in the meta-plot. And writing Alexia as an annoying slut seems to be a company requirement, so I'm sure they had their hands tied in that regard too .

Their second project was writing Andras stuff in the tavern.

Now they are working on Helenya.

 

[Joshy92]

I want someone to get Alexia pregnant
Please make me a daddy sweetheart

 

[perles75]

Ooof. That flat graph has gotta be frustrating for the developers. What with some of their writers being Americans and inflation going ape-shit over the last 3 years. Looks like the game plateaued financially.

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I think that's for everyone and not just for them: inflation increased everywhere and I believe it's very rare that Patreons income raised equally (actually, could even be the opposite as people had to drop out due to the squeezing of the cost of living)

 

[perles75]

And it shouldn't be important but up to a point. You take into account what patreons want ofc but at the end of the day, you need for the project to move. I am sure this year when they had the Andras x Rowan arc in nearly every update, they probably lost so many subs but it had to be done because it is part of the roadmap.

When you make a game, you make the game you want, not what the patreons want. or else you will NEVER finish.

How are you so sure that Andras x Rowan made them lose subs? when they did the polls few months ago even they were surprised at the popularity of that content, if I remember correctly...

(also, "make the game you want" yes and no... this game was derailed almost irremediably because they rushed to the end of act I without consistent planning)

 

[Nym85]

I think that's for everyone and not just for them: inflation increased everywhere and I believe it's very rare that Patreons income raised equally (actually, could even be the opposite as people had to drop out due to the squeezing of the cost of living)

I think the idea there is, they didn't really increase the sub cost to adjust for inflation.
Which means that taking a real money version of that graph would not exactly be informative of how popular it is BUT how effective the project is at keeping everyone paid definitely had declined.

 

[dkatryl]

How come he gets all the time he needs?!

You can also take all the time you need, buddy.

I wont tell anyone!

 

[Filipis]

This won't be good for patron retention. Should've thought about that before letting people pay to add a bunch of random shit to your visual novel. Good luck finishing acts 2 and 3 with a tenth of the "content" you had in act 1. Seeing how a lot of it was near gibberish over a blacked out screen anyway I reckon you're hoping nobody'll miss it.

Yeah, he might lose some % of subs over canning lowest-engaged content from Act II, but speeding up development will also net him a larger % increase as compensation.

 

[| Vee |]

A question if anyone may, If I choose "Leave the two..." choice what is the outcome of it? Also what is optimal choice between these options?
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Anyone?

 

[GoldenArm]

I don't get the N/A in the changelog. No new content since 3.13?