Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.13a] [Vénus Noire]
Bro it literally got an update 3 days ago.
Updates as often as it ever has. Been forever since the actual narrative moved forward though.
i enjoyed the game well enough when it was still being updated, but honetly i feel like they could of gone into act 2 like 10 updates ago and been fine. so with that in mind i just use unren
i just started playing the game and i was wondering if its really that bad as in u have to keep track of a lot of saves? also what is unren? Is this also a veeery long game?
any ideea how to install the mod that unlocks the scenes on phone? i have no ideea where to fidn the folder of the game
vandal.h
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I mean considering the choices in this game always come down to "support Andras", "support Jezera", "grab power for yourself" or "support team humans", there's pretty much guaranteed to be a martyr ending where Rowan completely undermines the demons and suffers because of it.
I think there's already an ending where Alexia has to execute Rowan if you miss one of the early game goals. Been a while since I played this game so I could be misremembering.
GyaruSaki
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Is this update broken for anyone else? I got to the new Andras x Alexia scene and I got some errors in the top corner that said "cg not found" and then when one of the new NPCs talks, I get an error screen I have to ignore. Presumably the character sprite isn't in the game yet? I don't remember older updates being this level of unfinished and buggy. I just remember if there was no cg you just get a black background
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The actual "game" parts of this game feel simultaneously under-baked and overwhelmingly present. Much of the hexsploration stuff just grinds the pace of the game to a complete halt without cheats. Once the intro finishes, the first stretches of the actual game have basically nothing to do with the actual plot unless you already know which hexes you need to go to *and* get lucky on certain random event rolls. (Side note: it has been a minute or two since I did a full actual playthrough, so some stuff may have changed, though it doesn't seem to have really done anything by looking through the patchnotes.) If you're not sure of where to go, or want to explore as far as you can before triggering the story events, the plot fucks off. It doesn't help that the management elements of the castle and finding resources across the map don't seem to really do anything. Every time I've played it without cheats, I've been sitting there, wishing they had made a more traditional visual novel so I wouldn't be wasting my fucking time on the hexsploration without much to show. Boredom grows with every week you spend not triggering any events because most of the map is blank. Weekend events also hurt the pacing; you can be trying to push for a map objective only to be interrupted by long, unrelated weekend events, but you can also be hoping to trigger something that weekend to break up the monotony and get nothing so you have to go back to the map and spend another week.
For me, it feels like the story they want to make and the game they've built it around butt heads constantly. They really want to write a dual-protagonist dark fantasy with sexual elements and a fairly linear narrative that branches at specific points depending on decisions the player makes. However, the gameplay wants to support a more open-world approach with a static protagonist trailing through a large variety of vignettes. Even Rowan has two personalities that both make the other feel off. He struggles with his morality and grapples with great changes in his life during the main story, but in the vingettes across the world, he turns into a very promiscuous person that rarely comments on any morality or really struggles with any decisions. Only a few of the smaller stories feel like he's the same person at all (mostly stuff they wrote early on). It feels like there wasn't sufficient internal documentation or discussion between a team of multiple writers, or even that many things were written by volunteers or contractors.
I've heard that eventually a continuation of the story after the end of this "first act" will come in the form of a sequel game and honestly I hope they move away from the gameplay they've based the game around. The writers they have (or had, I dunno if they've kept all their writers) could make a more traditional VN work a lot better that the structure they're working with now. They'd be able to pace things out for the actual needs of the story rather than operating at the whims of random events and gameplay decisions.
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the actual game fucking sucks ass, it's a poor attempt at some sort kingdom management/conquest sim, and the devs attempt to pretend it's anything more than just a porn game.
The game would work better as a VN with a few simpler UI elements for kingdom management stuff, or just streamline the whole management process.
As it stands, you can literally skip all dialogue and kinda just bumblefuck your way through the game without issue. The only failstates being not paying attention to the goals in time.
Ntrsugar
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Finally , someone said it
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Agreed 100%. Its fairly nice art held hostage behind a janky, garbled, mess of a game.
Ofc, I am just saying that Astarte is as good a place as any for that ending. The idea would be that while at earlier points Rowan betraying them would not get them killed, at Astarte it should be possible for him to get them bound or killed especially if he can contact the right people.
True, if you reached a point where she is obedient to either of them maybe she could survive as their slave.
I don't think the exploration element is handled bad, it is the core RPG systems like leveling, skills and combat that seem largely pointless.
But I'm a dirty cheater so I don't mind that part.
To be more specific on what I mean about RPG elements.
First off, there are too many skills compared to the skill leveling opportunities. You could go as reductive as taking it down to the three pillars (Combat, Exploration, Social Interaction).
Skill checks also are poorly implemented. They are largely small content gates; you pass a skill you get additional content, you fail, you get some small disadvantage and the event pretty much ends. There is no activity in the system. Failing checks should always be about getting a different resolution instead of just getting nothing (to be fair, it sometimes does this).
Moreover skill use should be more active. It shouldn't just be passive rolls on the background and you should get to choose how you resolve things most of the time instead of rarely. I think the game should have had a stamina system for each week that is shared between traveling to more hexes on the map and taking actions during events (and it should be enough to resolve at least multiple events per week. Maybe there could be active skills that also share that system.
And Rowan shouldn't really be leveling. He is a legendary adventurer already and that is reiterated at multiple points. You could be picking his specialty during character creation; while he should be good at what he does (skirmish combat, stealth and scouting, social interaction) you could pick what he is best at. I think the game already has a successful leveling system that improves Rowan's power and that's Castle Research.
That doesn't mean Rowan cannot gain more power but it shouldn't feel like he is a lvl 1 scout. Perhaps there should be opportunities for him to get an additional specialty. And I do wish that down the line the Chaos priest could train him into a caster. Or Arzyl!
BUT I would not want anything actually changed. It is functional already and I am here for the story to advance, not for the devs to fool around with their gaming system.
First off, there are too many skills compared to the skill leveling opportunities. You could go as reductive as taking it down to the three pillars (Combat, Exploration, Social Interaction).
Skill checks also are poorly implemented. They are largely small content gates; you pass a skill you get additional content, you fail, you get some small disadvantage and the event pretty much ends. There is no activity in the system. Failing checks should always be about getting a different resolution instead of just getting nothing (to be fair, it sometimes does this).
Moreover skill use should be more active. It shouldn't just be passive rolls on the background and you should get to choose how you resolve things most of the time instead of rarely. I think the game should have had a stamina system for each week that is shared between traveling to more hexes on the map and taking actions during events (and it should be enough to resolve at least multiple events per week. Maybe there could be active skills that also share that system.
And Rowan shouldn't really be leveling. He is a legendary adventurer already and that is reiterated at multiple points. You could be picking his specialty during character creation; while he should be good at what he does (skirmish combat, stealth and scouting, social interaction) you could pick what he is best at. I think the game already has a successful leveling system that improves Rowan's power and that's Castle Research.
That doesn't mean Rowan cannot gain more power but it shouldn't feel like he is a lvl 1 scout. Perhaps there should be opportunities for him to get an additional specialty. And I do wish that down the line the Chaos priest could train him into a caster. Or Arzyl!
BUT I would not want anything actually changed. It is functional already and I am here for the story to advance, not for the devs to fool around with their gaming system.
So all the Netorase has been removed right? Not just hidden behind some setting or choice?
I mean, I kinda remember that we didn't mind Alexia fucking with Greyhide and there was even a threesome, but I think all those Rowan X Alexia X Some Other Male have been removed.
I mean, I kinda remember that we didn't mind Alexia fucking with Greyhide and there was even a threesome, but I think all those Rowan X Alexia X Some Other Male have been removed.