Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.13a] [Vénus Noire]

[Fer978]

Multiple ending tags doesn't really apply, yet. The differences between patreon and non-patreon versions is that there's censored and uncensored versions because some non-human scenes had to be removed for patreon.

Is the censorship between Patreon/non Patreon just the removal of bestiality scene or something else?

 

[JoeSte91]

Is the censorship between Patreon/non Patreon just the removal of bestiality scene or something else?

Yes, I believe it's just bestiality scenes that use non-human genitalia that have been removed.

 

[perles75]

aren't y'all tired of complaining about all the same issues every time?? I am not saying one shouldn't complain, but I've read the EXACT same rants 10,000 times at this point: yes, the game is taking ages; yes it's just the first act; yes they made quite a mess in development during the first years; yes, the MC is relatively powerless and humiliated, especially at the beginning; yes, they removed quite a lot stuff (not willingly); and I'm not even discussing personal preferences not fitting the game tags. Etc etc.
After a while, just accept it and move on.

 

[ZeroKilleN]

Hi! I haven't played the game for a long time. Is there any Gallery Unlocker for the latest version?

 

[JoeSte91]

yes, the game is taking ages; yes it's just the first act; yes they made quite a mess in development during the first years;

I don't complain about it that often because it is what it is at this point. For the most part I just go focus on other games while I wait.

But other posters acting like it shouldn't be complained about, or that people should just shut up about the development issues is what I'm debating against. These are reasonable concerns so it's not surprising that it comes up often. You can look at the steam reviews. Recent reviews have been mixed compared to the overall which was positive. But even the positive reviews comment about the development time and whether the game will ever actually be completed. So it's not surprising that these are reoccurring issues.

 

[price3095]

Android 4.10 when?

 

[aguy57]

Honestly I feel like they should just minimize the branching and start pushing for maybe 4 or 5 completed paths. Maybe Hire more writers and coders, train a custom AI model and then use some sort of sketch -> AI -> manual fix pipeline.
Because this is actually taking ages.

 

[k2ren]

Honestly I feel like they should just minimize the branching and start pushing for maybe 4 or 5 completed paths. Maybe Hire more writers and coders, train a custom AI model and then use some sort of sketch -> AI -> manual fix pipeline.
Because this is actually taking ages.

dude, that's the point. taking ages and milking all that patreon money. have you checked their patreon page? they get a lot of money from it per month for doing barely anything at a slow enough pace. they will never want this cashcow to end because ppl keep paying them.

 

[EvolutionKills]

Harry Potter is very flawed and all, but it was completed in a reasonable timeframe. One year for the first four books, then 3 years for the largest one and two years for the final ones.

Book 1 97
Book 2 98
Book 3 99
Book 4 00
Book 5 03 (Pregnancy and Warner Bros)
Book 6 05
Book 7 07

Imagine Rowling pulling a Martin and simply not finishing SoIaF. We'd be a book 5 and waiting decades for book 6 and 7, which aren't worked on anymore and at best will be adopted by other writers once Martin dies.

Obviously you can't equalize books written by a single author with videogames done by a few people, but its very clear that SoC development is flawed. 9 Years and we are still finishing up part 1 of 3, with no indication what could happen in the next parts.

So your problem is entirely based on some arbitrary end point for the story. So because SoC hasn't hit this arbitrary end point it is flawed because some other creator in another medium reached their arbitrary endpoint sooner?

The development timeline is quite long, no doubt. But at this point I imagine the problem is the double edged sword that is Patreon. In order to keep their Patrons happy, they probably need to pump out X amount of smut consistently to keep them paying. This would be like racking up a huge pile of credit card debt and then only paying the bare minimum; 5 years later and you're devoting a sizeable chunk of your spendable income just to maintain the debt without even touching the principle in a way that actually diminishes it (e.g. 30 year mortgages are outlawed in most first world nations outside of the US for this very reason). So I can imagine them finding themselves needing to pump out more content, even if that content largely fills things out and eats up most of their time and resources, leaving little at the end of each month to dedicate to pushing things ahead.

Had J.K. Rowling made her living paycheck-to-paycheck off of her Wizarding World work by posting short stories per month, she could have very well also found herself in a position where she was constantly filling in tangents and following up with interesting side characters if doing so is what kept her audience happy and the lights on; progress on the overarching story be damned. So are they 'milking' their Patrons, or are they being backed into a corner by them? I dunno. But given their nearly decade long track record of delivering solid engaging content (again, main overarching story be damned), I am comfortable in saying they aren't scam artists.

Serialized content doesn't need to be your thing, but it's not necessarily a mark against the game or the quality of its current content just because it hasn't reached a (once again) arbitrary self-imposed end point. You're looking at a team slowly treading water successfully and bemoaning that they haven't finished their self imposed race, entirely oblivious to the idea that failing to tread water as a swimmer means you drown.

It also completely misses that the point of the post where you quoted this from; where I was using popular YA literature as an example to lambast someone who was trying to move the goal post and argue the game fell into their subjective definition of 'bad' because being solid or competent wasn't good enough for their taste.

 

[EvolutionKills]

Not what I asked, but thanks for that. I guess I was expecting too much to get a decent answer.

Want a better answer? Maybe don't signpost 'content I hate' on your signature in a game that is built almost entirely around content on said list? I'm not sure why someone who feels compelled to signpost their no-no tags publicly is getting uppity that they didn't get an in depth answer. I mean, c'mon, you are holding up a sign for everyone to see that says 'I am incurious' and then respond with the sad Pikachu face when you're treated as being incurious.

 

[EvolutionKills]

No, I'm saying just because A Song of Ice and Fire is well-written doesn't mean readers can't complain about it taking 14+ years for The Winds of Winter.



I'm also saying that this is a subjective standard. For you, hitting basic English creative writing skills is the competency level within visual novels that deems them 'not bad'. You might as well be saying that it objectively jumped this bar, when you're the one that set that bar low enough for it to cross.

It's nothing to do with sophistication though. It's better than a lot of games, but people who say 'well, it's better than most games so that's good enough for me' are still being affected by bias. The games they've played that have let them down has effected them to the degree that they'll now accept something that does the basics as being 'not bad'. Other people haven't had that experience, but you're unfairly labelling the latter as subjective and the former as unbiased.

You're proving my point yet again. The person who shit-talks competence because it isn't mastery is being biased. Everyone has biases, but good critique is knowing when to set them aside and how. You are still conflating 'competent' as 'bad', and that is a bias you seem unable to move past.

So again, my original point that you cannot unbiasedly call the content 'bad' holds true; because it's only 'bad' if you move the goalpost of what 'bad' is to include things that are demonstrably and definitionally not 'bad'.

 

[ChubbyFatBoy]

aren't y'all tired of complaining about all the same issues every time?? I am not saying one shouldn't complain, but I've read the EXACT same rants 10,000 times at this point: yes, the game is taking ages; yes it's just the first act; yes they made quite a mess in development during the first years; yes, the MC is relatively powerless and humiliated, especially at the beginning; yes, they removed quite a lot stuff (not willingly); and I'm not even discussing personal preferences not fitting the game tags. Etc etc.
After a while, just accept it and move on.

......then stop reading it? You tell people to move on. Yet admit to reading the same complaints you apparently are tired of seeing, over and over. What's stopping you from sampling your own solution and moving on? I mean maybe it's just me who does this. I don't know. But when I eventually come back to check on a game. See nothing happening and don't care for the topic at hand. I just leave, instead of jumping in to complain about complaints. But again, maybe that's just me. Maybe I'M the weird one for doing something like that .

On top of that, can you definitely say that those complaining now. Are the exact same folks who been doing it the whole time? Are none of these newer folks bringing it up? Can they not be afforded the same grace. Just because others moaned about it before? Just because the topic has been beat to death. Doesn't mean it's always the same folks holding the whoopin stick.

 

[anon6076]

So your problem is entirely based on some arbitrary end point for the story. So because SoC hasn't hit this arbitrary end point it is flawed because some other creator in another medium reached their arbitrary endpoint sooner?

Finishing story is not an 'arbitrary'.

At this point of state SoC is not even a game, it is a gallery with short erotic stories. Nice gallery though. But where do we even start goblins story line? I dont remember.

 

[anon6076]

Yes, I believe it's just bestiality scenes that use non-human genitalia that have been removed.

Wait, so patreon version is actually worse cause it lack content? Mind fucking blown. Here I thought that gallery unlocker broke it, and turns out it is expected behaviour.

 

[Gicoo]

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Ultimatively, updates need to be not only regulary, but substantial. Just as Harry Potter geot one book every 1-2 years, One Piece gets a chapter every 1-2 weeks. The difference is that their stories go onward, characters develop and progress, personal and overarching goals are reached. The last important event in SoC was the conquest of Astarte and thats how many years ago and is still getting minor scenes?

I could trust the developers of Harry Potter, One Piece for their professionalism and reliability and I'd like to name some developers and porn games here on F95 who I also expect to finish, but these mentionings get often deleted. I don't trust this developer to finish this game and continue with part 2 and 3. I have the large impression that the works conclusion is not their priority, rather that they purposely stretch it out with secondary or tertiary content that shouldn't be prioritized. Either because its more profitable and very likely because its more feasible, because who knows if they have proper plans for part 2 and 3 and/or can expand on beyond whats established.

This accusation of milking that your original post questioned will appear with almost every update every two months, as long as the updates are still not progressing the main story significantly. People like to vent and articulate their frustration with the game, because it has the great potential unique strengths that could been utilized well. Alas...

 

[JoeSte91]

You're proving my point yet again. The person who shit-talks competence because it isn't mastery is being biased. Everyone has biases, but good critique is knowing when to set them aside and how. You are still conflating 'competent' as 'bad', and that is a bias you seem unable to move past.

So again, my original point that you cannot unbiasedly call the content 'bad' holds true; because it's only 'bad' if you move the goalpost of what 'bad' is to include things that are demonstrably and definitionally not 'bad'.

What are you talking about? It's your definition of bad that I'm working with. I just pointed it out that the level of creative writing you're talking about it entry level stuff like characters with motivations and clear English language skills.

My response has been that 1- that's a low bar to clear, 2- it's your choice to place the bar that low, and 3- that it clears the low bar you've set shouldn't prohibit people from behind upset about the long development time.

There are many shades of grey between competency and mastery. However, I've never demanded a masterpiece. Only that your subjective standard allowing you to accept that the developer is delivering 'good quality content', and therefore permitting the long development time doesn't mean everyone should accept that as the measure, or that they're wrong to do so.

 

[Usex809]

The writing in this is fantastic, it makes me FEEL things - unlike most other works.

That said, I still really wanna butcher every person in this game.

Its been a while since ive played, i wonder if theres a chance of going full nuclear and killing everyone (including alexia~), the psycho ending, going full edgelord.

Not counting the ntr, i just cant forgive being enslaved by these red and purple twats.

Yeah game would have been much better if atleast one of them were truly dangerous and intelligent. Like, in Hero Party must fall Mars is really good in doing his things and even when he is doing NTR he is doing it methodically and clinically without using his powers. My biggest problem with Andras NTR is that he is just a brute with power, he is lame because he is just too damn general as you can find his character in almost every NTR hentai and this type of character was not required in story rich game like this, we needed more complex big bad.

 

[Nym85]

honestly the only route where Andras actually seems interesting is the RowanXAndras route.

 

[Gancoek]

Did they cut Helayna variations? First I cant pick Rowan's backstory with her and then I cant choose to not collar her.

 

[Daemmerwind]

there's the universal gallery unlocker

https://f95zone.to/threads/universal-gallery-unlocker-2024-01-24-zlzk.136812/

Thank you so much!