Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.13a] [Vénus Noire]

[Rein]

Consider this.

You're a porn writer. You are looking for a job. You get a choice to either write for:
1. A game with minimal plot and a MC with pretty vague personality, where you have full creative control over what to write.
2. A game with strong lore, a MC with a backstory and several states (Different corruption values, different lore values, different motivations for joining the twins, different attitudes towards his wife), AND to write for any character you need to read roughly 5 to 8 previous events in their storyline, where you have to continue said storyline, AND your work is constantly reviewed, and, in the initial stages more often than not, gets sent back for rewrites.

It's doable, we got people into the team, and I was very happy with their work. I got some much needed help for the field battle at Astarte, they added new events for X'zaratl and Jezera that got positive reviews, but for various reasons they are not available at the moment.

Obviously I can't claim we did everything right and it just magically didn't work out. Mistakes were made, lessons were learned. For now, it's just powering though to finish of act 1.

 

[feralx]

That's the way this game is, it will take time and people are still enjoying it. There are too many branches and it takes too long to complete them all. I wish they were all as expanded as one would want. I just wish there was a way to add custom screens or more images just for fun. Keep working on it and thank you.

 

[Manoelpaiva]

Thanks! How can I help her escape?

Ai ~e sõ uma questão de esperar, você colocando ela em seu quarto ou não vai chegar umk momento que ela irã pedir a sua ajuda, mas tenha cuidado, por quê se oss gêmeos descobrirem alexia vai ser levada a masmorra e torturada sexualmente por um demonio do sexo.

 

[Manoelpaiva]

I wish there will be even more scenes with Alexa becoming mindless slut that will be fcked by Andras and his friends , full demonic big titty sluty redhead with big SLUT tattoo on the ass

Eu queria que tivesse cena dela com algum orc, Drokk por exemplo, ela naquela forma de peitos e bunda enorme, eu ia amar ver isso!

 

[Manoelpaiva]

Queria ver uma cena de Alexia com o Drokk, aquela cena de provocação de alexia para drokk pelo espelho enquanto ele lambia os lábios foi magnífica para mim, faça ela chorar de prazer no pau dele por favor!

 

[Oriandu]

Consider this.

You're a porn writer. You are looking for a job. You get a choice to either write for:
1. A game with minimal plot and a MC with pretty vague personality, where you have full creative control over what to write.
2. A game with strong lore, a MC with a backstory and several states (Different corruption values, different lore values, different motivations for joining the twins, different attitudes towards his wife), AND to write for any character you need to read roughly 5 to 8 previous events in their storyline, where you have to continue said storyline, AND your work is constantly reviewed, and, in the initial stages more often than not, gets sent back for rewrites.

It's doable, we got people into the team, and I was very happy with their work. I got some much needed help for the field battle at Astarte, they added new events for X'zaratl and Jezera that got positive reviews, but for various reasons they are not available at the moment.

Obviously I can't claim we did everything right and it just magically didn't work out. Mistakes were made, lessons were learned. For now, it's just powering though to finish of act 1.

If the lesson you learned is that you need a timeskip to reset character development so you can use writers who aren't willing to actually learn the product they're writing for... then you learned the wrong lessons. Seeds of Chaos is not a Tolkienverse story, it does not require reading through decades worth of a man scribbling notes everywhere and writing a deluge of half finished short stories. Whoever is the lead writer on your staff should be writing the entire plot for act two ahead of time and providing a detailed design document for the writers to refer to whenver they're unsure of lore or character states. Game development is not some grand creative endeavour unless you're a solo artiste like ConcernedApe or a small group like TeamCherry, it's really just repetitive tasks and the easier you make it for the people working to do their jobs the better your results will be and a time skip to reset development isn't going to make things easier it's either going to make a lot of Act One meaningless or just delay the impact of the lack of knowledge on the part of the writers.

And now I'm having trauma flashbacks from working for EA. I really need to learn to just shut the fuck up.

 

[Rein]

Appreciate the feedback. You ever find a full time fantasy/porn writer with experience in writing for visual novels and managing a team of writers, send them my way.

 

[gfgdg]

If the lesson you learned is that you need a timeskip to reset character development so you can use writers who aren't willing to actually learn the product they're writing for... then you learned the wrong lessons. Seeds of Chaos is not a Tolkienverse story, it does not require reading through decades worth of a man scribbling notes everywhere and writing a deluge of half finished short stories. Whoever is the lead writer on your staff should be writing the entire plot for act two ahead of time and providing a detailed design document for the writers to refer to whenver they're unsure of lore or character states. Game development is not some grand creative endeavour unless you're a solo artiste like ConcernedApe or a small group like TeamCherry, it's really just repetitive tasks and the easier you make it for the people working to do their jobs the better your results will be and a time skip to reset development isn't going to make things easier it's either going to make a lot of Act One meaningless or just delay the impact of the lack of knowledge on the part of the writers.

And now I'm having trauma flashbacks from working for EA. I really need to learn to just shut the fuck up.

Actually, I think Tolkien a brilliant writer too. But one might ask, who first came up with elves, dwarves, orcs? (Tolkien). It’s funny… You compared a person who was the first to invent all of that to people who can’t invent anything new, because other people have already written about it.
"is not a Tolkienverse story"
Well, duh. What else would it be? It’s not a Tolkienverse story… because Tolkien didn’t write it. That seems pretty obvious, right?

 

[Howdy89(+)]

I have one thing to say after all it's a porn game and the game have consistent updates with quality art scenes. So give the dev some more time or how much he requires and we get all the content for fapping. Whats even our aim? Finding the ultimate gooning material

 

[rivon]

So give the dev some more time or how much he requires and we get all the content for fapping.

Its been 9 years matey some people literary died waiting for it.
Like hell some writers are gone MIA writing this.
Its scary...its in this Half Life 3 territory.

 

[jcbchris]

this is getting tiring. its just keep adding side stories and new CG and me who already on the verge for the next episode or chapter need to replay, or reload old save just to see those side stories and CG. Sigh....

 

[JoeSte91]

Actually, I think Tolkien a brilliant writer too. But one might ask, who first came up with elves, dwarves, orcs? (Tolkien). It’s funny… You compared a person who was the first to invent all of that to people who can’t invent anything new, because other people have already written about it.
"is not a Tolkienverse story"
Well, duh. What else would it be? It’s not a Tolkienverse story… because Tolkien didn’t write it. That seems pretty obvious, right?

They're referring to how meticulously in-depth and comprehensive Tolkien's works were comparatively. SoC may aspire to such depth, but it's really not, at least not yet.

Personally, I don't care how informed they want their writers to be. I imagine it helps in some situations. But a time skip probably is going to make act 1 mostly meaningless, in that Act 2 will have to carry on, probably be simplifying the choices made in Act 1 and consolidating them into a few significant or important ones. If that's the case, why flesh out act 1 or aim to be so extensively in-depth? It's not going to be carried over. It can't be, without making Act 2 as bloated as Act 1.

 

[gfgdg]

They're referring to how meticulously in-depth and comprehensive Tolkien's works were comparatively. SoC may aspire to such depth, but it's really not, at least not yet.

Personally, I don't care how informed they want their writers to be. I imagine it helps in some situations. But a time skip probably is going to make act 1 mostly meaningless, in that Act 2 will have to carry on, probably be simplifying the choices made in Act 1 and consolidating them into a few significant or important ones. If that's the case, why flesh out act 1 or aim to be so extensively in-depth? It's not going to be carried over. It can't be, without making Act 2 as bloated as Act 1.

I agree that a time skip isn’t needed

 

[Manoelpaiva]

Alguma notícia da atualização de hoje? O que vai ter de novo por exemplo?

 

[kaspqz]

Release Notes EVENTS

• The First part of the epilogue is in. Return to Rastedel to meet your ally and a certain sorceress, and spend some time with Greyhide and Cla-Min (includes one/two new sex scene/s, one with Cla-Min [and a gay scene with Greyhide - Subscribestar only]),
• The post Astarte battle scene has been included with one new sex scene if you allied with Zii-Zii (the quite frankly horrifying pairing of Andras x Zii-Zii),
• Blackholt has been updated with one new event on the Che-Lin path,

ART

• 13 new CGs with 60 variables,
• 2 new backgrounds,

QOL

• Experience requirements have been lowered to facilitate easier leveling up,
• Spies now kidnap to acquire slaves,
• Bugs relating to multi-persistance saving and avatar skill points have been fixed,
• Over 200 typos have been squashed

 

[Hatsume Kill]

Playing this game start to finish takes literal days. And even then you don't see all the content. It's doable, we got people last year who were great, and I'm hoping to pull at least one person back for Act 2.

That's one of my biggest gripes with this game. It takes too long and every update breaks saves so you gotta restart all over again. There's so much inertia I gotta overcome to start playing as none of my progress will matter when the next update hits.

Compounding on this issue is the laundry list of pointless game mechanics. Dnd dice rolls, stats, wounds, too many throwaway rng events, castle management, army management, items etc etc etc etc etc etc. None of these enhance the core stuff people mainly enjoy and just bog down the experience. The game would honestly be better without all that unnecessary baggage.

 

[Manoelpaiva]

Release Notes EVENTS

• The First part of the epilogue is in. Return to Rastedel to meet your ally and a certain sorceress, and spend some time with Greyhide and Cla-Min (includes one/two new sex scene/s, one with Cla-Min [and a gay scene with Greyhide - Subscribestar only]),
• The post Astarte battle scene has been included with one new sex scene if you allied with Zii-Zii (the quite frankly horrifying pairing of Andras x Zii-Zii),
• Blackholt has been updated with one new event on the Che-Lin path,

ART

• 13 new CGs with 60 variables,
• 2 new backgrounds,

QOL

• Experience requirements have been lowered to facilitate easier leveling up,
• Spies now kidnap to acquire slaves,
• Bugs relating to multi-persistance saving and avatar skill points have been fixed,
• Over 200 typos have been squashed

Esperava mais dessa atualização

 

[bratkoratko]

Release Notes EVENTS

• The First part of the epilogue is in. Return to Rastedel to meet your ally and a certain sorceress

Clionha hopefully?

 

[FluffyBunnyCarrotStick]

I've written a lot myself, and when I was writing my first novel, I ended up rewriting it 5 times to properly flesh everything out. It's easy to get off on tangents when you're creating something from scratch, but you need to learn that you can't and shouldn't try to please everyone. Narrowing your focus, and when you feel you must venture off the main path, making sure your side adventures are succinct and pertinent to the main narrative are extremely vital to telling a great story. If you fail to do so, you will quickly find yourself sinking in quicksand with little hope of escape. Every word should have purpose in storytelling, otherwise, why are you writing it?

SoC originally drew me in all the way back during the original narrative, before it was rewritten, and I've noticed the aforementioned trap in the recent versions. There are too many tangents, complicating a story that should have been finished years ago. Game development is obviously much more difficult than writing, which is all the more reason to keep the focus and have a clear, well established goal in mind.

 

[diocancaro223]

The game would honestly be better without all that unnecessary baggage.

How would the game be better without all the gameplay? You can unlock all sex scenes if you want only that