Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.13a] [Vénus Noire]

[TheLastNarwhal]

message T51bwinterized or @Rein with any errors you find and let them know what you were doing when it happened in as much detail as possible.

I appreciate the reply of course, but really I was just wondering if anyone else had come across the same issue. I don't believe it's anything that I caused as this is a fresh, first time install and there are no mods alongside it. Unless setting the prisoner variable using castle.buildings['dungeon'].prisoners += somehow breaks the code, which it shouldn't and I only did it because I wasn't getting any prisoners, then there isn't a single reason that I can think of for an error like this.

 

[Deleted member 2059697]

NTR can be turned off? ( I know that some ntr fans can be aggressive, keep calm, is just a question)

 

[Dancing Queen]

Yep, the game can be optionally made boring. Poor Alexia, condemned to vanilla.

 

[manscout]

NTR can be turned off? ( I know that some ntr fans can be aggressive, keep calm, is just a question)

Yes, by default, the game doesn't force any NTR to happen but it can happen as a result of some poorly made decisions.

But there is also a toggle at the end of the prologue to disable NTR events entirely, so they don't happen even in scenarios where they were meant to happen as a punishment to the player (they get replaced by some other penalty).

 

[Deleted member 2059697]

Yes, by default, the game doesn't force any NTR to happen but it can happen as a result of some poorly made decisions.

But there is also a toggle at the end of the prologue to disable NTR events entirely, so they don't happen even in scenarios where they were meant to happen as a punishment to the player (they get replaced by some other penalty).

Thanks, ntr makes me more flaccid than naked grandma(not the hot type).

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

NTR can be turned off? ( I know that some ntr fans can be aggressive, keep calm, is just a question)

Its funny that you call out the NTR fans as being the aggressive one, because the developers added in an option to disable NTR completely because of constant attacks by anti-NTR crowds. I don't know how effective it really was though as we will still periodically get such people going on a rant here. I think some people just have a toxic sense of wanting people to like the things we like and wanting people to not like the things we hate.

As others have said, the NTR can be disable, but even if it is enabled it is entirely and easily avoidable. Just to clarify for the record there are NO NTR scenes that happen as a punishment for the player. Every sex scene is pretty well telegraphed and as long as you are reading the text you will have a pretty good idea of where the choice will lead. You can always turn down any sex scene with any character with little or (more often) no consequences. Certain characters may imply that there will be consequences, but in actually they are all bark and you just need to stand up to them.

My first playthrough of the game was a (mostly) pure run, but since then I've played through just about every path available in the game. With that in mind it is my personal opinion, the game is at it's best with NTR enabled, even if you plan on avoiding NTR. The reason is because I think it has a better thematic feel. You are given choices as to what paths you will go down. However, disabling NTR completely removes any choices leading to those paths. I just feel that it is more thematically satisfying to choose not to go down an NTR path. The reason being this is a game about temptation and corruption, with NTR is being one path towards corruption. When the main characters are being tempted the game is also trying to temp you the player. And it is just less satisfying for the characters to successfully resist temptations when they mechanically cannot be tempted in the first place.

The developers have adopted a broad definition of NTR in their attempt to placate the aforementioned anti-NTR people. They define it as "Sex between someone in committed relationship with Rowan (the main character) and someone else." But there is a lot of lost nuances in that definition. The two main baddies are hard NTR candidates, they will actively try to seduce your wife with the intention of stealing her away. One in a alpha male display of dominance, the other more likely to strengthening her hold over Rowan. Then there are a couple characters she could potentially develop emotional attachments to which may per your choices lead to her sleeping with those characters. Then there are a variety of one off sex scenes in which she may be tempted to cheat to protect someone, for expediency, because she is horny, or any number of other reasons. But in each case you the player chooses the options she takes, but disabling NTR remove the choice which weakens the impact of the scenes.

 

[TheLastNarwhal]

Thanks, ntr makes me more flaccid than naked grandma(not the hot type).

I don't know if I would consider this game to actually have "NTR." From everything that I've come across in the game, you the player, have the option to say "yes, I want to have sex," or "no, I'm going to remain faithful." So far, there doesn't appear to be any "forced" NTR scenes, there may be scenes that will happen based on prior choices, but I'm pretty sure even these you can say "no" to.

Honestly, I'm not even remotely into NTR either, but with the player at the helm of the S.S. NTR, it doesn't even feel like traditional NTR, it feels more akin to leading the charaters down the path of corruption. Which I am surprisingly fine with. If I had no control I'd be like: "Aww, hell na! I'm outa here," but with the control I'm more like: "Oh Alexia, I'm gonna corrupt you so good!" XD

 

[Deleted member 2059697]

I don't know if I would consider this game to actually have "NTR." From everything that I've come across in the game, you the player, have the option to say "yes, I want to have sex," or "no, I'm going to remain faithful." So far, there doesn't appear to be any "forced" NTR scenes, there may be scenes that will happen based on prior choices, but I'm pretty sure even these you can say "no" to.

Honestly, I'm not even remotely into NTR either, but with the player at the helm of the S.S. NTR, it doesn't even feel like traditional NTR, it feels more akin to leading the charaters down the path of corruption. Which I am surprisingly fine with. If I had no control I'd be like: "Aww, hell na! I'm outa here," but with the control I'm more like: "Oh Alexia, I'm gonna corrupt you so good!" XD

I don't like it when the protagonist doesn't participate in the sex scenes, because when I play a game I want to put myself in the character's shoes, and since I'm not a cuckold (nothing against those who like that), I prefer to avoid it. I don't mind other characters having sex with others (I like gangbang), but with a character who has an emotional link to the protagonist it's kind of weird. Thats why i dont like most of trainer games.

 

[Deleted member 2059697]

Its funny that you call out the NTR fans as being the aggressive one, because the developers added in an option to disable NTR completely because of constant attacks by anti-NTR crowds. I don't know how effective it really was though as we will still periodically get such people going on a rant here. I think some people just have a toxic sense of wanting people to like the things we like and wanting people to not like the things we hate.

As others have said, the NTR can be disable, but even if it is enabled it is entirely and easily avoidable. Just to clarify for the record there are NO NTR scenes that happen as a punishment for the player. Every sex scene is pretty well telegraphed and as long as you are reading the text you will have a pretty good idea of where the choice will lead. You can always turn down any sex scene with any character with little or (more often) no consequences. Certain characters may imply that there will be consequences, but in actually they are all bark and you just need to stand up to them.

My first playthrough of the game was a (mostly) pure run, but since then I've played through just about every path available in the game. With that in mind it is my personal opinion, the game is at it's best with NTR enabled, even if you plan on avoiding NTR. The reason is because I think it has a better thematic feel. You are given choices as to what paths you will go down. However, disabling NTR completely removes any choices leading to those paths. I just feel that it is more thematically satisfying to choose not to go down an NTR path. The reason being this is a game about temptation and corruption, with NTR is being one path towards corruption. When the main characters are being tempted the game is also trying to temp you the player. And it is just less satisfying for the characters to successfully resist temptations when they mechanically cannot be tempted in the first place.

The developers have adopted a broad definition of NTR in their attempt to placate the aforementioned anti-NTR people. They define it as "Sex between someone in committed relationship with Rowan (the main character) and someone else." But there is a lot of lost nuances in that definition. The two main baddies are hard NTR candidates, they will actively try to seduce your wife with the intention of stealing her away. One in a alpha male display of dominance, the other more likely to strengthening her hold over Rowan. Then there are a couple characters she could potentially develop emotional attachments to which may per your choices lead to her sleeping with those characters. Then there are a variety of one off sex scenes in which she may be tempted to cheat to protect someone, for expediency, because she is horny, or any number of other reasons. But in each case you the player chooses the options she takes, but disabling NTR remove the choice which weakens the impact of the scenes.

As I said above, I like to put myself in the protagonist's shoes, so I don't feel the "thrill" of being betrayed or getting close to being betrayed, is it kind of disgusting for me? I like it better when the sex scenes are with the protagonist. And the question of "aggressive", is because English is not my primary language, aggressive has different meanings for me, I mean obstinate and assertive to defend their fetish. And it's a sex game, so I'm not really looking for a story with thriller scenes or anything, I just want a decent story, good sex scenes, care about the characters and most importantly, feel good.

 

[manscout]

As others have said, the NTR can be disable, but even if it is enabled it is entirely and easily avoidable. Just to clarify for the record there are NO NTR scenes that happen as a punishment for the player. Every sex scene is pretty well telegraphed and as long as you are reading the text you will have a pretty good idea of where the choice will lead. You can always turn down any sex scene with any character with little or (more often) no consequences. Certain characters may imply that there will be consequences, but in actually they are all bark and you just need to stand up to them.

Isn't the "Andras wants to blow off steam" event still in the game? I know skills got reworked and now it is entirely possible to overcome that event with good stats, but from what I recall that event is essentially a "pick your poison" type of event, either step up to get your ass kicked, submit and give him a blowjob yourself, or let him go after your wife. Yes, the NTR is telegraphed but is still being featured as an alternative punishment if the player doesn't want to do homosexual content or doesn't want to risk getting Rowan injured (which would happen in a failed skill check). If NTR is instead disabled in the settings then the 3rd punishment changes so that instead of going after Alexia, Andras goes off to slaughter some orcs which reduces army stats.

Also, while I agree that eventually it becomes predictable, unless they have been reworked there were some Alexia NTR scenes that definitely weren't "well telegraphed" imo. If I recall correctly there was one where Alexia was trying to research something in the library, she finds an interesting and seemingly magical book but is unable to figure out anything further, she then considers asking Jezera about it, the player then decides if she tries to ask Jezera about it or simply drops the matter completely and forgets about it. I don't think it is reasonable to assume that "asking Jezera about the book" is telegraphing "yes, I want to see an NTR scene where Alexia gets magically corrupted".

Like I said, eventually it becomes obvious that if you don't want NTR then you need to avoid even being in the general vicinity of the Twins during Alexia events, but I definitely don't fault anyone that really doesn't want to come anywhere close to any NTR content for using the game's built-in feature to avoid it, it seems more reasonable than telling them they could just have avoided it if they made better choices and had the power of hindsight.

 

[rivon]

Okay. the problem is that anti NTR crowd demanded to tone down NTR in the game and...
Devs actually bend the knee and go out of there way and actually apply NTR turn off button then they go even further and rewrote some scenes.
But it didn't help! Anti ntr crowd still not happy somehow.
They play victims and that just feels off.

Example. i don't like gay content...like at all. But i dont run around throwing a tantrum and DEMAND give me anti gay button!!!
No, im mature adult, i know there are different people, with different tastes and IMAGINE that i respect that.
I run in to gay option i turn it down and move on. But somehow anti NTR crowd run in to NTR option and they insta freak out and triggered.

it looks bad no matter how you look at that.
So yeh no sympathy to them.

 

[Dortan]

Okay. the problem is that anti NTR crowd demanded to tone down NTR in the game and...
Devs actually bend the knee and go out of there way and actually apply NTR turn off button then they go even further and rewrote some scenes.
But it didn't help! Anti ntr crowd still not happy somehow.
They play victims and that just feels off.

Example. i don't like gay content...like at all. But i dont run around throwing a tantrum and DEMAND give me anti gay button!!!
No, im mature adult, i know there are different people, with different tastes and IMAGINE that i respect that.
I run in to gay option i turn it down and move on. But somehow anti NTR crowd run in to NTR option and they insta freak out and triggered.

it looks bad no matter how you look at that.
So yeh no sympathy to them. View attachment 1645923

If you were a mature adult you'd realize its a trash fetish

 

[Spiny Norman]

If you were a mature adult you'd realize its a trash fetish

I am a fan of the NTR genre, but I don’t put myself in the place of the MC when I play games. So I can understand why people who do play games from that perspective could have an aversion to it. Also, I hope the anti vs pro NTR debate never ends because it always devolves into a dumpster fire every time it gets brought up, and it’s so fun to watch.

 

[Fleep]

How about we don't fight over this again. For people who really don't like NTR (like me) seeing even hints of it may ruin the whole fun. Not shitting on people who's into it, but NTR used to make me literally nauseous, like I was actually about to puke because of how bad I felt (not anymore because now I play the game as an espectator more than like Rowan himself, like the guy above me just said). That's why the first time I played the game I played with NTR off, but even there you could see clear hints of the NTR. The dev team themselves have been aware of this and have tried to rework those scenes, doing a way better job now, but before those changes I could see why some people thought that even with NTR off, the game felt NTR.

Ken Kovan just asked if you could turn the NTR off, and I find it weird how Jynx is calling him out for saying NTR fans are a bit agressive when you already have someone saying that you're boring and vanilla if you turn off the NTR and someone posting a shitty meme and thinking they're better than everyone else because of liking a certain fetish. That mere question started all this again. So yeah, anti NTR and pro NTR, you would be right to call any of them agressive, and both of them have their reasons, there's no point arguing about this.

 

[diebesgrab]

If you were a mature adult you'd realize its a trash fetish

I just find it to be an interesting phenomenon that cuckoldry has been a noteworthy fetish for generations, but it’s only in the past ten or so years that we’ve seen so much vitriol against it.

And that this time period coincides very neatly with when most zoomers began consuming porn.

 

[Fleep]

I just find it to be an interesting phenomenon that cuckoldry has been a noteworthy fetish for generations, but it’s only in the past ten or so years that we’ve seen so much vitriol against it.

And that this time period coincides very neatly with when most zoomers began consuming porn.

Damned zoomers and their...

Spins roulette

Not enjoying having their girlfriend taken away from them.

Think i said this here (or somewhere else) before. I believe the NTR crowd mostly consist of teens (you know brains not fully developed yet) or young adults (same situation as before). No other explanation for the inability to separate themselves from a ingame persona (main character).

And whatever the case they are a blight.

There are also people who like feeling like they're the ingame persona. And also people who are deeply empathic , so I dunno...

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

There are also people who like feeling like they're the ingame persona. And also people who are deeply empathic , so I dunno...

My point precisely.
The haters are the ones incapable of keeping a line between real life and the game. Also the ability to understand the feelings of others is a far cry from raging because of some perceiving infidelity, be it real or not in the context of the game.

 

[Fleep]

My point precisely.
The haters are the ones incapable of keeping a line between real life and the game. Also the ability to understand the feelings of others is a far cry from raging because of some perceiving infidelity, be it real or not in the context of the game.

People play games differently regardless of age. Some people go in with the expectations of being the main characters themselves while others would rather watch everything from behind that line, more akin to espectators and not feeling identified with the MC (like I do, thankfully). If someone who belongs into the first group doesn't like NTR at all and finds something NTR it's normal that they'd feel bad. Not to be mean, but to me it feels like you're throwing baseless assumptions, trying to discredit other people's opinions by attatching them to certain groups of people that, from your POV, deserve less credit.

 

[Mag. Opus]

NTR is fine in games devoted to it (e.g. Curse of Kubel).
In other games it feels like shitting in your drinking water.

 

[Dortan]

I just find it to be an interesting phenomenon that cuckoldry has been a noteworthy fetish for generations, but it’s only in the past ten or so years that we’ve seen so much vitriol against it.

And that this time period coincides very neatly with when most zoomers began consuming porn.

I was just joking there but in regards to the whole NTR thing i don't think it has anything to do with zoomers as i see people disdaining it from pretty much every age range. Also, the notion of NTR became familiar in the last ten years or so, along with other aspects of anime culture.

I think it's a simple matter of not all fetishes being equal . For example, people are not gonna be disgusted by someone having a foot fetish, even though they might find it weird , while if someone told them they were into being pissed on, well they would probably think that something was wrong with them.

It's the same for NTR and cuckoldry in general because for all that the later has been noteworthy for generations the word cuck is primarily used as an insult ( even though a lot of times it is used in a context that has nothing to do with cuckoldry).