Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.13a] [Vénus Noire]

[T51bwinterized]

I concur with these adjustments. I do wonder if Liurial should be 2 cm further towards the law side though. I don't think she cares about it in a meta sense- so her being close to neutral on the order/chaos plane makes sense to me- but she is very "rule oriented" and her entire job description depends on being able to organize things effectively and efficiently. That said- no one knows Liurial better than Winter .

Interesting to see you concurred about where Amerine was. I kinda figured she was maxing out the chaos meter- but she is so mysterious so that was mostly based on my own fan theories about what she was doing during the Rastedel fight.

I also felt like Maud should be a few more ticks towards Lawful and Nice.

Jynx_lucky_j
Oh that is pretty fun. Too bad some of the best character cannot be included since they have no sprites! Totally going to make one as well- based on your criteria of how much they add to the game.

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Liurial is personally very orderly and diligent in terms of temperament. But, she has lots of chaotic traits too. She doesn't really trust formal authorities or structural chains of commands. Her natural temperment is to find a leader who can keep her safe and just obey them, regardless of what the formal rules say. It's not "quite" might makes right. But, it's closer to that.

She is also not especially burdened with a strong moral compass. If her dom says Jump, she says how high. She's not purposefully amoral or cruel. And on an interpersonal level she's quite kind and sweet. But, you'll notice that she stayed with Finnigold despite what he did. If she felt she had any element of security, she would be able to follow along behind an evil person. (All of this is to say that if Rowan goes full baddie, Liurial ain't about to jump ship).

So yeah. On the chaotic end of the specturm, but the extreme low end, reads right to me.

 

[Yaoi_lover96]

Can anyone pls share save file of this game i cant get all of the scene i kept on game over in the end

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

Can anyone pls share save file of this game i cant get all of the scene i kept on game over in the end

This isn't the sort of game that a "completed save'' would do anything for you except leave you stranded in a fully explored world with nothing to do. You are probably looking for something more like the Seeds of Chaos Extended Scene Replay Mod or using UnRen.bat to enable developer mode and pick out specific scenes.

Also if you tell us where you are getting stuck we can help you figure out what you need to do to move forward.

 

[NotWhatIShouldBeDoing]

The only truly objective, objectively true list here.

 

[lexdoll]

Here is my waifus tiers, not gonna list male characters because that I have zero interest in them and some females don't pique my interest either, as far as I am concerned, they are more or less irrelevant to me, sex appeal wise.


Cliohna sits so lonely at the top don't care if she is a 5000 years old, would follow her to the end of earth like a lovestruck puppy. X'Zaratl and Helyana are just a little short of making to the "S" tier, but there is only one queen. Sorry, Alexia

 

[Mmushy]

Who is the female in pink?

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

Who is the female in pink?

Her name is Liliana. She's Jacques' "lady friend." While you can't sleep with her in the game currently, the is explititly stated that they are not exlusive and she is interested in Rowan, so I wouldn't be surprised if she eventually becomes an option.

 

[NewTricks]

Here is my waifus tiers, not gonna list male characters because that I have zero interest in them and some females don't pique my interest either, as far as I am concerned, they are more or less irrelevant to me, sex appeal wise.
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Cliohna sits so lonely at the top don't care if she is a 5000 years old, would follow her to the end of earth like a lovestruck puppy. X'Zaratl and Helyana are just a little short of making to the "S" tier, but there is only one queen. Sorry, Alexia

I find it enormously funny that on a waifu list Alexia (literal wife) is a tier below a demon with a dick. But then again she has one sometimes too. Well done my good man. Carry on.

 

[Oriandu]

Liurial is personally very orderly and diligent in terms of temperament. But, she has lots of chaotic traits too. She doesn't really trust formal authorities or structural chains of commands. Her natural temperment is to find a leader who can keep her safe and just obey them, regardless of what the formal rules say. It's not "quite" might makes right. But, it's closer to that.

She is also not especially burdened with a strong moral compass. If her dom says Jump, she says how high. She's not purposefully amoral or cruel. And on an interpersonal level she's quite kind and sweet. But, you'll notice that she stayed with Finnigold despite what he did. If she felt she had any element of security, she would be able to follow along behind an evil person. (All of this is to say that if Rowan goes full baddie, Liurial ain't about to jump ship).

So yeah. On the chaotic end of the specturm, but the extreme low end, reads right to me.

So... Liurial is a true neutral? How rare... and exceedingly dangerous.

 

[Gierka]

So with all the talk of tier lists, can you finally put Jazera in her place and dom her like the bitchy teenager she is or nah?

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

So with all the talk of tier lists, can you finally put Jazera in her place and dom her like the bitchy teenager she is or nah?

Nah. I wouldn't expect being able to give either twin their comeuppance until some time in Act 3. If this was a traditional video game with 10 levels, we're currently on level 3 and the twins are end game bosses.

 

[Back]

Nah. I wouldn't expect being able to give either twin their comeuppance until some time in Act 3. If this was a traditional video game with 10 levels, we're currently on level 3 and the twins are end game bosses.

But what if there's a different end game boss that's vastly more threatening than The Twins could ever hope to achieve in Act 3? What if you found out that's the true intention behind the scenes in act three and depending on how things go how you use or get used by The Twins to face this new threat (but one that's always been there)? And in Act 2 is where you'll really need to lay down the foundations to face it. Hmm? Just throwing that out there for fun. ;]

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

But what if there's a different end game boss that's vastly more threatening than The Twins could ever hope to achieve in Act 3? What if you found out that's the true intention behind the scenes in act three and depending on how things go how you use or get used by The Twins to face this new threat (but one that's always been there)? And in Act 2 is where you'll really need to lay down the foundations to face it. Hmm? Just throwing that out there for fun. ;]

There could certainly be some major twist along the way. The surprise greater threat is a somewhat common trope in it's own right. But I still wouldn't expect to see something like that until near the end of Act 2 at the soonest. The Main story of Act 1 is 90-95% complete, so there really isn't enough time to properly establish a new greater threat. Heck the Twins could still use some building up of their own threat levels before a greater threat would really seem all that great.

 

[Back]

There could certainly be some major twist along the way. The surprise greater threat is a somewhat common trope in it's own right. But I still wouldn't expect to see something like that until near the end of Act 2 at the soonest. The Main story of Act 1 is 90-95% complete, so there really isn't enough time to properly establish a new greater threat. Heck the Twins could still use some building up of their own threat levels before a greater threat would really seem all that great.

Don't get me wrong. I totally agree with you and have similar thoughts. I was just having fun. Cheers, Jynx! You're fun, and thanks for indulging. ;]

 

[NewTricks]

There could certainly be some major twist along the way. The surprise greater threat is a somewhat common trope in it's own right. But I still wouldn't expect to see something like that until near the end of Act 2 at the soonest. The Main story of Act 1 is 90-95% complete, so there really isn't enough time to properly establish a new greater threat. Heck the Twins could still use some building up of their own threat levels before a greater threat would really seem all that great.

I tend to agree that the Twins are in need of establishing their own threat. Without Rowan running shit for them they were pretty inept and they know it. They couldn't even perform such simple tasks as reconnaissance or establishing a granary much less a treasury. The day they forget it is the day they go back to sacking podunk villages and squatting in ruined castles. I'm sure that the day or so after a few of the bad endings when their orcs desert them, they run out of food, or a faerie army invades through their portal without them noticing they sure regret throwing Rowan into the wood chipper.

 

[Back]

I tend to agree that the Twins are in need of establishing their own threat. Without Rowan running shit for them they were pretty inept and they know it. They couldn't even perform such simple tasks as reconnaissance or establishing a granary much less a treasury. The day they forget it is the day they go back to sacking podunk villages and squatting in ruined castles. I'm sure that the day or so after a few of the bad endings when their orcs desert them, they run out of food, or a faerie army invades through their portal without them noticing they sure regret throwing Rowan into the wood chipper.

I think people aren't giving them enough credit, and I don't believe that will be the case even if Rowan suddenly disappeared. They may have started a bit inept but they had the wherewithal to bring in someone like Rowan and other capable individuals, and even establishing Bloodmeen as their powerbase beforehand. Their management style is not ideal, but remember, as time goes by and they experience more they're always learning new things and are becoming more capable and shrewd. The Twins are actually quite intelligent and will take interest in learning more about things that they lacked knowledge of before. This is evidenced here and there such as the scene with the clockmaker when even the hulking brute of Andras will inquire and make inquisitive, relative questions for something as delicate as that and building one himself. While it's true that they are gifted and have many inherit powers, they basically started off with nothing and built up everything around them in their own way despite any setbacks or emotional outbursts. People are underestimating them and that's how they'll get you when their opponents' guard is down and they do something unexpected. They are maturing, learning, and growing -- they can't just be painted using just one kind of playbook anymore.

 

[HentaiGamerN00b]

But what if there's a different end game boss that's vastly more threatening than The Twins could ever hope to achieve in Act 3? What if you found out that's the true intention behind the scenes in act three and depending on how things go how you use or get used by The Twins to face this new threat (but one that's always been there)? And in Act 2 is where you'll really need to lay down the foundations to face it. Hmm? Just throwing that out there for fun. ;]

Like a xenomphorph like creature by being Alexia corrupted in the breeding pits and that creature born with the bless of the Outer Gods and the Pantheon of Chaos? :v

 

[NewTricks]

I think people aren't giving them enough credit, and I don't believe that will be the case even if Rowan suddenly disappeared. They may have started a bit inept but they had the wherewithal to bring in someone like Rowan and other capable individuals, and even establishing Bloodmeen as their powerbase beforehand. Their management style is not ideal, but remember, as time goes by and they experience more they're always learning new things and are becoming more capable and shrewd. The Twins are actually quite intelligent and will take interest in learning more about things that they lacked knowledge of before. This is evidenced here and there such as the scene with the clockmaker when even the hulking brute of Andras will inquire and make inquisitive, relative questions for something as delicate as that and building one himself. While it's true that they are gifted and have many inherit powers, they basically started off with nothing and built up everything around them in their own way despite any setbacks or emotional outbursts. People are underestimating them and that's how they'll get you when their opponents' guard is down and they do something unexpected. They are maturing, learning, and growing -- they can't just be painted using just one kind of playbook anymore.

They may be growing and maturing, but their main problem remains each other. The most gets done when they can agree on an objective and let somebody else figure out how to do it. Because when it comes to the methodology of any given action they couldn't agree on the color of shit and would argue about who is in Grant's tomb. The fall of the capital may have been a big black eye for Rowan but at least he had a plan of attack. You know... other than just "Attack!" Now the capital is razed and destroyed; nothing more than a target for another army to take with little or no effort since the defenses are in shambles and the bulk of the force has retreated to Bloodmeen to have a big party. It will probably be passed back and forth like Antioch during the crusades when it could have been their own capital. They remain bloated with hubris and that will be their ultimate undoing.

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

Don't get me wrong. I totally agree with you and have similar thoughts. I was just having fun. Cheers, Jynx! You're fun, and thanks for indulging. ;]

Right back atcha!

I think people aren't giving them enough credit, and I don't believe that will be the case even if Rowan suddenly disappeared. They may have started a bit inept but they had the wherewithal to bring in someone like Rowan and other capable individuals, and even establishing Bloodmeen as their powerbase beforehand. Their management style is not ideal, but remember, as time goes by and they experience more they're always learning new things and are becoming more capable and shrewd. The Twins are actually quite intelligent and will take interest in learning more about things that they lacked knowledge of before. This is evidenced here and there such as the scene with the clockmaker when even the hulking brute of Andras will inquire and make inquisitive, relative questions for something as delicate as that and building one himself. While it's true that they are gifted and have many inherit powers, they basically started off with nothing and built up everything around them in their own way despite any setbacks or emotional outbursts. People are underestimating them and that's how they'll get you when their opponents' guard is down and they do something unexpected. They are maturing, learning, and growing -- they can't just be painted using just one kind of playbook anymore.

I agree with you that people tend to underestimate the competence at the twins. I think one of the biggest things holding the twins back is that they lack discipline. They don't want to do the hard work, they want to indulge and enjoy themselves. But that doesn't mean they can't do the hard work. They suddenly got real serious and seemed more competent when they thought their lives were in danger when the royal guard army attacked. But once the threat was over they go back to their old ways fairly quickly. Sometimes they things they enjoy doing are useful, bust just as often they are just indulgent.

That said it is alot easier and takes less work to keep the war machine running than to build it up from scratch in the first place. It like I can't build a car from scratch... I'm sure I could learn how, but I really don't care to invest the time and effort. I can however drive said car and perform basic maintenance on it after someone else has built it.

Like a xenomphorph like creature by being Alexia corrupted in the breeding pits and that creature born with the bless of the Outer Gods and the Pantheon of Chaos? :v

I have a little pet theory, that I'm not terribly committed to, that Alexia's chaos magic infused fertility treatments with Nasim might lead to the rebirth of Karnas or even a personification of Kharos.

 

[Trapitalism101]

I wonder at what point the twins would turn on each other? Like as power grows, it becomes harder and harder to give way to someone else, and their visions seem pretty different. I don't know who would come out on top in that fight.