Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.13a] [Vénus Noire]

[Jynx_lucky_j]

Lorenh80, I'm not going to try to argue what is and isn't an stereotype, or who is gay enough to count. I'm not gay so its not my place. But I do feel the need to point out you are arguing an awful lot about an game you have already decided that you are not interested in. Anyone hanging out on this thread is bound to be a big fan of the game, so it is only to be expected that they would try to defend it from criticism. No one is trying to say that you are wrong for wanting the type of content that you want, they are just defending characters that they like. But there is no reason for you to expend so much energy and attention on something that you don't like. This time and effort would be better spent finding something that you do enjoy.

 

[perles75]

I also think that Andras is bisexual, or pansexual -it's a demon after all, and the conventional human categories make little sense for him.
As a side note, all his relationships with women are also based on domination and humiliation, it's just how he is.

This is, incidentally, valid for most non-human characters. We can't pretend that demons or fairies or whatever have the same sexual conformity of humans. Skordred for example seems to have a rather utilitarian approach to sex, but maybe that's how his race works. And so on and so on.

 

[Nym85]

I'd say Andras' sexuality is dominance. There are several cases were Andras has sex with Rowan without it being public; his focus is not just humiliating Rowan (though he loves that), it's more about him getting to dominate someone.

 

[perles75]

I'd say Andras' sexuality is dominance. There are several cases were Andras has sex with Rowan without it being public; his focus is not just humiliating Rowan (though he loves that), it's more about him getting to dominate someone.

I do agree with the assessment, but when does Andras have sex with Rowan without being public? I can remember the blowjob at the beginning (public), the scene in the dungeon in front of the prisoners (public), the threesome with Batri the orc (not public but still with someone else), the scene in the arena (basically public)... and then?
He does, though, have sex with Draith privately (as Alexia can attest).

 

[Lorenh80]

Lorenh80, I'm not going to try to argue what is and isn't an stereotype, or who is gay enough to count. I'm not gay so its not my place. But I do feel the need to point out you are arguing an awful lot about an game you have already decided that you are not interested in. Anyone hanging out on this thread is bound to be a big fan of the game, so it is only to be expected that they would try to defend it from criticism. No one is trying to say that you are wrong for wanting the type of content that you want, they are just defending characters that they like. But there is no reason for you to expend so much energy and attention on something that you don't like. This time and effort would be better spent finding something that you do enjoy.

Dude chill i'm joking XD
And btw im not "complaing" im just pointing out my tough on the game... i'm not allowed to do ? and ffrom what i see my comments have starded an interesding debate about what the paople this of the sexual inclination of the characters in the game

 

[Lorenh80]

I don't think Andras is Bi, because there is no attraction towards the protagonist. (Or any other male character)he made sex whit him for others purpose. While he has demonstrated over and over again his sexual interest towards many of the female characters. For the kind of character he is, if this interest existed he certainly wouldn't keep it for himself.

 

[HentaiGamerN00b]

I don't think Andras is Bi, because there is no attraction towards the protagonist. (Or any other male character)he made sex whit him for others purpose. While he has demonstrated over and over again his sexual interest towards many of the female characters. For the kind of character he is, if this interest existed he certainly wouldn't keep it for himself.

Are you meaning that cis-hetero patriarchal chauvinist alpha males can fuck other males for the purpose of being in the dominant role without being considered gay nor bisexual?... Definitely, those ideas of gender are doing mess in the people's mind

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

Dude chill i'm joking XD
And btw im not "complaing" im just pointing out my tough on the game... i'm not allowed to do ? and ffrom what i see my comments have starded an interesding debate about what the paople this of the sexual inclination of the characters in the game

In that case I apologize for misinterpreting your intent. As we all know tone can sometimes be difficult to pick up tone through text.

With that in mind my interpretation of Andras is that he has two sexual modes. First is "I'm horny, who is the most attractive person nearby with a soft hole?" In this mode all he really cares about is getting his rocks off and he doesn't want to work too hard for it. The second is domination mode, which of course is when he uses sex in order to assert his dominance over others.
As for how he relates to Alexia, I think his interest in her is primarily part of his attempts to dominate Rowan. Don't get me wrong I'm sure he finds her sexually attractive, but no more than any particularly attractive village girl. Alexia, apart from her connection to Rowan, simply isn't that special at this time. With a snap of his fingers he could send his orcs to raid a village and capture him a dozen of women just like her. Having sex with her is another way in which he can assert his dominance over Rowan, but he also can't just take her because they still need Rowans willing cooperation. But if he can woo her away from Rowan willingly then Andras can prove he is the "better man" and has a nasty surprise to reveal to Rowan at an appropriately devastating moment. It not that he is more into her than Rowan, rather she is a piece in his domination games against Rowan.

To jump back a moment to you initial question about meaningful relationships. Keep in mind that this isn't a game about building relationships, instead it is a game about corruption and whether you will succumb or resist. Even among the female characters there aren't many "meaningful" relationships to be found. Rowan and Alexia are the only good people in the castle (at least they are good at the start). Most of the castle's residents are evil, even the ones that are nice to you. And few that aren't outright evil are still at least indifferent towards evil. At least half of the named denizens are actively trying to control or dominate you in their own ways. So it likely isn't a great idea to form a romantic relationship with any of them. But then again...some of them are awfully tempting...

 

[Oriandu]

I don't think Andras is Bi, because there is no attraction towards the protagonist. (Or any other male character)he made sex whit him for others purpose. While he has demonstrated over and over again his sexual interest towards many of the female characters. For the kind of character he is, if this interest existed he certainly wouldn't keep it for himself.

So basically what you're saying is that Andras is asexual because he fucks people because he enjoys the dominance and control instead of the physical traits of his partners.

Jesus.

He's a demon who likes sex, he's not the Joker trying to manipulate Harley Quinn.

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

So basically what you're saying is that Andras is asexual because he fucks people because he enjoys the dominance and control instead of the physical traits of his partners.

Jesus.

He's a demon who likes sex, he's not the Joker trying to manipulate Harley Quinn.

I'm pretty sure what he is trying to say is that Andras is strait and only has sex with men for the purpose of asserting dominance.

 

[HentaiGamerN00b]

So basically what you're saying is that Andras is asexual because he fucks people because he enjoys the dominance and control instead of the physical traits of his partners.

Jesus.

He's a demon who likes sex, he's not the Joker trying to manipulate Harley Quinn.

Andras have scenes were he demands sex relieve because he's horny... As Jynx_lucky_j state:

I'm pretty sure what he is trying to say is that Andras is strait and only has sex with men for the purpose of asserting dominance.

Because of that i wrote much before in response to Lorenh80

Are you meaning that cis-hetero patriarchal chauvinist alpha males can fuck other males for the purpose of being in the dominant role without being considered gay nor bisexual?... Definitely, those ideas of gender are doing mess in the people's mind

 

[cheekain]

Nice game, thanks for sharing.

 

[Oriandu]

I'm pretty sure what he is trying to say is that Andras is strait and only has sex with men for the purpose of asserting dominance.

Yes, I know, I'm pointing out the stupidity of his view point by going a step further down the road than is necessary.

 

[Heliophorus]

Seems like they improved the game after all these years. Into is better and some other things as well. Andras is still lame, I might have to do his path just to get those scenes with that brown thot and Alexia, but them and his sister would be hotter.

 

[Heliophorus]

Also, feels like my Rowan would ditch Alexia and would look for a way to escape with Helayna, that elf girl and any others that are more friendly to him.

 

[perles75]

I finally played the Rastedel final part [for reference, I allied with Jacques, helped Alain and seduced Juliet -I tried to go with the most male path possible, being gay] and I have questions...

Mostly, I was wondering how much leeway the player has to influence the result. I assume that the general progression can't change too much (the actions of the Baron go against a clean win and I don't think that can't be undone), but can Rowan and others be in a better or worse position at the end depending on his actions during the coup?

For example, can you avoid being injured by the crossbow, or that Alain does the stupid thing and escapes at the end, leaving you with the letter? do you need to seduce the general's daughter? can you be more successful in the eyes of the twins?
Basically, which outcomes can be changed by your choices?

 

[monk_56]

TL/DR
The major way the plot diverges in Rastdel concerns which characters live and die, who ends up running the city, and which sections of the city are left....unmolested.

It is reasonable to think who is left in charge will have major ramifications later- they just haven't been borne out yet.
The specific outcomes of how the the battle went and the city is are very minor considerations at this point- but there is some code for it.

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[Heliophorus]

Probably gonna go for semi-evil Rowan that wants to overthrown twins. Which means Patricia is probably a good choice to pick because Rowan can control her directly (plus sex scenes), right? Not sure what I should do with Delane. Saving her gives sex scenes for her and Rowan, but orcs will not like you, maybe better option to give her to Ulcro who might (either himself or because Delane has influence on him) will be your ally too, or is Tarish better?

 

[diebesgrab]

This is gut feeling more than anything, but I get the feeling that Tarish is the best choice for undermining the chaos forces in general, and Ulcro is the best choice if you want allies to help Rowan overthrow the twins and take their place.

 

[perles75]

TL/DR
The major way the plot diverges in Rastdel concerns which characters live and die, who ends up running the city, and which sections of the city are left....unmolested.

It is reasonable to think who is left in charge will have major ramifications later- they just haven't been borne out yet.
The specific outcomes of how the the battle went and the city is are very minor considerations at this point- but there is some code for it.

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thanks, that's extra-informative! So the whole Rastedel event is not finished yet and we don't know what's still missing, or it's just that the consequences aren't coded yet because they belong to part 2?

P.S. pity Alain escapes (siding with him), I wouldn't have minded to see him under me with a leash *grin* (I lol'd when the twins give me Juliet as a "reward"... I was thinking, who cares, give me some dick or ass! )