Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.13a] [Vénus Noire]

[monk_56]

I strongly disagree on the grounds that not every character has to cater to every player. As we’ve both pointed out, there are multiple characters who can vary in their sexual dominance with Rowan already. If Jezera has to as well, then why can’t we have every character cater to submissive players? Why can’t we have every character cater to large insertion fetishists, or futa afficionados? There’s barely any foot-related content in the game, surely we need every character to cater to that niche?

I agree that having the twins submit in one of the endings is probably an essential element once the story is over, but if it happens before that, I definitely want to see reciprocity from characters on the opposite side of the Dom/Sub scale at the very least.

I also strongly disagree that Rowan (and even Alexia to some extent, though less so) is inherently coded as sexually submissive at the beginning of the game. He’s powerless—this isn’t the same as sexually submissive. And he quickly gains power—not against the twins, but over most of the castle inhabitants. There are essentially no sexual situations he HAS to take part in that put him in a particularly submissive position. He is necessarily subservient to the twins, but that’s not the same thing as sexually submitting to them. You can be sexually dominant and still serve a master in non-sexual ways, even unwillingly.

Again- it is because she is one of the primary antagonist. If she were a side character I would agree, but since she is a major villian I'd posit there should be significant variation in her pathings.

She isn't some side character with a fetish attached to her like Grey-hide (big dick + swinging), Liurial (maledom), Draith (male x male bottom), Cla-min (shortstack, romance, harem, breeding), or X'zaratl (futa + poly), Skodred (dwarf???), Shaya (prostitution), Cilonia (a duality of domination), Helenya (Rape....I guess).

Rowans relationship to the twins in terms of power dynamic practically defines the entire experience of the game- and a large part of that is the sexual dynamic. She isn't just some kink path- she is one of the primary antagonists.

Some players want to beat her down, dominate her, and have fun with her before the game is over. Just like some players want to be submissive to her, let her control their lives, and ruin their relationship with their wife.

 

[diebesgrab]

Again- it is because she is one of the primary antagonist. If she were a side character I would agree, but since she is a major villian I'd posit there should be significant variation in her pathings.

She isn't some side character with a fetish attached to her like Grey-hide (big dick + swinging), Liurial (maledom), Draith (male x male bottom), Cla-min (shortstack, romance, harem, breeding), or X'zaratl (futa + poly), Skodred (dwarf???), Shaya (prostitution), Cilonia (a duality of domination), Helenya (Rape....I guess).

Rowans relationship to the twins in terms of power dynamic practically defines the entire experience of the game- and a large part of that is the sexual dynamic. She isn't just some kink path- she is one of the primary antagonists.

Some players want to beat her down, dominate her, and have fun with her before the game is over. Just like some players want to be submissive to her, let her control their lives, and ruin their relationship with their wife.

It’s precisely because she’s one of the primary antagonists that she can be the primary femdom character, though. There are very few other female characters who can credibly dominate an unwilling Rowan, and those who can already have variable dominance built into their pathing. Jezera’s entire sexual identity is built around manipulating and dominating others, however, and she has the power to ensure that she stays on top. I reiterate, if you don’t want to be sexually submissive, don’t try to stick your dick in the demon lord dominatrix.

I imagine Jezera will get some variation in her pathing as she continues to be developed, in much the same way that you can have an amicable relationship with some of the other characters without having sex with them. Similarly, Rowan likely will be able to twist his way out from under the twins’ thumbs sometime in the second or third act, but there’s no reason to assume this is because he’ll suddenly have the resources at his disposal to rape and dominate them. For those who want the cathartic release of raping their tormenters, that’s what the endings are for.

Of course it rankles to have to serve under the twins, that’s kind of the point of the premise. But if we start making optional paths for characters, we have to take into consideration whether it makes sense for the character in question, whether it supports or undermines the progression of the plot, whether the fetish that path would be serving is already being adequately served elsewhere, and whether the manhours needed to create that path might not be better allocated to some less developed aspect of the game. As I implied before, there are plenty of fetishes represented in this game that get less attention than dom/sub stuff—some extremely popular fetishes, at that. I certainly think they are more deserving of attention at this stage than adding a femsub route to the most dominant female character in the game, when we already have a dedicated femsub character, as well as potential femsub routes in development for others.

 

[justahorse]

I agree with Monk in that the driving force behind the narrative is Rowan/Alexia's submission to the Twins. The game does give people the opportunity to mostly avoid the Twins in terms of anything sexual, but one of the first choices in the game is to decide to serve the Twins until you are capable of rebelling. I certainly think part of rebelling against the Twins is inherently tied into the sexual nature of demons, and thus Rowan being dominant in some sexual scenes leading up to an ending where Rowan defeats them as a hero or becomes the new Overlord is definitely a route to be explored. I think the same is true for Alexia, who should have the opportunity to turn the tables as well. Though for me personally I think she just needs more content period that has her have power/control.

Edit- So for me, I don't think Jezera/Andras should have sub routes so much as if you narratively pursue an ending in which Rowan overthrows them for whatever reason, you will have the reversal of roles in scenes leading up to it. So, less a route and more a main story consequence. Though this is assuming the story has a "good" end in which Rowan/Alexia come out on top.

 

[Rein]

Jezera scenes will involve a hefty amount of femdom.

However, there will be rewards for those who resist Jezera's attempt at domination, and who aren't afraid to get their hands dirty.

But the focus is on femdom, at least for the time being.

 

[BadQuark]

Really love this game and its many paths and ability to really define the characters as you play them. I have found a couple bugs with the Liurial Threes Company, threesome event. This first is if you don't sleep with Liurial before the event and then tell Alexia this, the game just jumps to the next menu and the characters don't talk at all. This other is when you are trying persuade Alexia with the "we've had other partners" if you've completed the Greyhide events and gotten the platonic end with Rowan and Alexia never having any sexual involvement with him, they still talk like they've opened their relationship up to involve him in some way.

Small note on this, if you do wait for Alexia's permission to sleep with Liurial you miss the opportunity to become her Dom as that event is a prerequisite to the the threesome event. Not sure if this is intended or not but thought i'd point it out for the very very small number of people (or maybe just me) who don't sleep with Liurial til Alexia gives permission but then still want her content once we have it.

Another small note is in Heartsong's third dream event (where you replay the intro), the second choice still references the old intro and wanting to not turn out like the other prisoner but that bit has been changed up in the new intro and he is no longer in it and the second choice is just about not dying in the dungeons.

 

[rickpool98]

anyone have a save with the new Liurial scene?

 

[wqe]

anyone have a save with the new Liurial scene?

there are lots of new content and I don't know how to open it. 3 times end game, and no new arts

 

[gamingdevil800]

anyone have a save with the new Liurial scene?

Alexia second fertility 17-1
Liurial new scene 17-3
17-3 should have the new cla min scenes unlocked too when you talk to her for replay.

 

[duolaamm]

Alexia second fertility 17-1
Liurial new scene 17-3
17-3 should have the new cla min scenes unlocked too when you talk to her for replay.

it seems doesn't work. I put it into the saves file ,but load game can't find it .

 

[Lunix00]

So I was thinking what is the difference between the new writing and the old. I started the game recently, and I see users on the forum who think that it was better in the past, but for me today it's fucking good, except maybe in some scenes where having two protagonists doesn't matter. There is also the art, the new style is the one shown at the beginning, right? It's more serious, less cartoon, personally I like it more.

 

[Aeripeary]

Alexia second fertility 17-1
Liurial new scene 17-3
17-3 should have the new cla min scenes unlocked too when you talk to her for replay.

Would you happen to have the new NTR version of the fertility event?

 

[Lewd Boi]

Anyone know any fix for this error?

 

[sin(α)]

Anyone know any fix for this error?

You can't fix it because the sprite in question is actually missing (probably a bug). Just press 'ignore' couple of times and you'll be fine.

 

[Lewd Boi]

You can't fix it because the sprite in question is actually missing (probably a bug). Just press 'ignore' couple of times and you'll be fine.

i tried it and it works, thanks. though it's funny to think about it.

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[cutefeetcunnysseur]

Is there any way to up alexia corruption without being a cuck?
I mean for the noncuck events she also needs corruption right?
Like liural threesome.

 

[Lunix00]

Is there any way to up alexia corruption without being a cuck?
I mean for the noncuck events she also needs corruption right?
Like liural threesome.

I think the only scene where Alexia's corruption automatically affects Rowan's decision is when they're with the minotaur, personally I don't like it, I wish Rowan could have his own chances, like not wanting to share his wife. Outside of this I don't think there is another scene where Alexia's corruption leaves a Rowan with no choice.

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

Is there any way to up alexia corruption without being a cuck?
I mean for the noncuck events she also needs corruption right?
Like liural threesome.

The two biggest sources for Alexia's corruption while remaining loyal to Rowan is her fertility treatments with Nasim and X'zaratl's futa content.

 

[polo12]

The two biggest sources for Alexia's corruption while remaining loyal to Rowan is her fertility treatments with Nasim and X'zaratl's futa content.

Alexia's futa events are one of the best contents in this game.
Wish there were more of them

 

[sin(α)]

An easy workaround for everybody who's annoyed at that "village elder neutral side.png" error:
1) Create a directory '\images\Sprites\Village Elder\Side' inside your 'game' directory
2) Put included image (it's actually there, just in the wrong directory) inside the directory you just created, rename it to 'village elder neutral side.png' (if needed)

(Edited according to Rivina's post)

 

[Rivina]

Wait, hang on. Isn't there literally a 'village elder neutral side.png' file in the village elder sprite folder? I just checked in mine and it had it. All I did was copy paste it to the side folder.