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krup95

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God damn that was sprawling, lot more in there than I expected. I don't think ntr fits like others have said, just because this is a rape/voyeurism kinda game. Watching from a distance is the whole point, but you're usually not supposed to feel like anything's being stolen from you.
Still understand why people are annoyed by the lag of netorare tag, so if you want to avoid more complaining it'd be a decent tag to add. A voyeurism one as well, checked and saw that wasn't added.
 

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There is definitely NOT NTR game. If say it very simple - MC just watching porn. But IRL. None of these girls who fucking around are wifes, girlfriends, sisters, moms or that type of shit that is key feature for NTR. No emotional connection with girls

But I truly agree that is "skip" button is need. If I dont want to watch rape - I want have possibility to skip and dont watch. For now you must watch entirely scenes from start to finish. Thats my only complane. For everything else - its realy good game, imho
 
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There is definitely NOT NTR game. If say it very simple - MC just watching porn. But IRL. None of these girls who fucking around are wifes, girlfriends, sisters, moms or that type of shit that is key feature for NTR. No emotional connection with girls
This is definitely NTR adjacent. I would describe it as a grindy novel of you watching someone watch non-con porn of characters he feels mildly fond of. To be fair it is odd as shit and not in a good way. Also it is rather predictable and very railroaded.
 

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This is definitely NTR adjacent. I would describe it as a grindy novel of you watching someone watch non-con porn of characters he feels mildly fond of. To be fair it is odd as shit and not in a good way. Also it is rather predictable and very railroaded.
I repeate - for working NTR need EMOTIONAL CONNECTION with girls who you watching fucking. Without it - its just voyeurism, nothing more. You dont fucking care for girls you watch
 
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just downloaded 1.0c but still dont know what to do to progress.
not sure what cell or what creature is referred to and the priestess doesnt do anything.


tldr: I'm lost and dont know what corner i have yet to look into or backtrack.
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if your quest log looks like this, you probably just need to explore more until another quest chain triggers. There are multiple dungeons paths and you should pick up more quest triggers along the way.
Some quests like asking about the shrine will stop you from progressing until you catch up on others.
 
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I repeate - for working NTR need EMOTIONAL CONNECTION with girls who you watching fucking. Without it - its just voyeurism, nothing more. You dont fucking care for girls you watch
Yeah, though I'll argue a few feel a bit closer than others, mainly due to unfortunate wording/set up. It's also sort of a player-centric thing where you see all these cute characters in the banner and think you'll get to see scenes with them with Anno, especially since the title description make it sound like a typical harem fantasy, but instead we see what happens in Chapter 1 with most of them. I don't wanna say "false advertising" because it's not *really* that, but imagine if something like... Kingdom Of Subversion (dunno why this game reminds me of that) had an hour and a half intro where you just saw scenes with the title characters having sex/being raped by other people while the MC just stood there.
 
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I repeate - for working NTR need EMOTIONAL CONNECTION with girls who you watching fucking. Without it - its just voyeurism, nothing more. You dont fucking care for girls you watch
Those are heavy implied with piggy and deer girl. Same with slime girl. By definition not NTR, that's why i said it is NTR adjacent. Mostly feels like a bait and switch with zero player agency.
 
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Regarding the NTR topic. I shared my opinion earlier in the thread but here is my opinion regarding the tags and letting people know what’s in the game.

What I have done:
  1. Added a warning about controversial scenes in the dev notes.
  2. Clarifying that this is not a dating sim and that the MC has a girlfriend he is loyal to and focuses on in Chapter 1

Why I don’t add NTR or voyeurism tags:

When adding tags I went by their definitions. I added what’s actually in the game or planned to be.

As for the below, none of these things happen to Anno in the story so I did not include them. I feel including the would be misleading.

NTR: refers to a story genre where a character's romantic partner is seduced or stolen by someone else, often leading to jealousy, betrayal, and heartbreak.

Voyeurism: the practice of gaining sexual pleasure from watching others when they are naked or engaged in sexual activity.
 
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Yeah, don't worry too much about the tags, you definitely don't need to actually add them since it, by account and definition, is not actually in need of those and you've done good steps to diminish it. It just unfortunately exists in that bordering zone that makes it fun to talk/debate specifics. There's really not much more you as a dev can do beyond compromising on your vision of the game/story.
Best way is to just look at this from a note-taking perspective for future projects on what audiences expect and perhaps how to better order content.
 
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Thanks for the feedback. One thing I’ve realized since launch is that many players experience the game very differently than I do (nothing wrong with that). I just want to share my perspective.


I didn’t include the NTR tag because I genuinely didn’t feel the game contained NTR. I don’t personally enjoy NTR or cuck-related content, and from my point of view, most of the characters people mention (especially Fawn, and possibly Jester) aren’t characters Anno is romantically interested in. Because of that, nothing is really being “taken” from him.


Anno isn’t getting off on those scenes, and he isn’t a major participant either. In the intro he’s present briefly, but then he disappears while the scene plays out and only reappears at the end. The main reason he’s there at all is simply so the player can witness the scene—Anno’s personal connection to those moments wasn’t something I thought deeply about when I originally created them.


When I wrote Anno, I never intended to make him a cuck. He ends up with the girl he actually wants, and there are several other girls who are interested in him as well. From my perspective, he’s doing fine—he’s just trying to be a decent guy in a pretty messed-up fantasy world.


If people are wondering why these scenes are in the game at all, the honest answer is this: as you can probably tell if you’ve played the game, I enjoy dark humor / non-con scenarios. I had several characters I wanted to create scenes for, but I couldn’t realistically have the MC running around assaulting everyone himself. He needed time and space for his own corruption arc. The result was that Anno often witnesses these scenes, while his own content leans more toward romantic or character-driven interactions in Chapter 1. In Chapter 2 /3 the tone will be the same but person in the scenes will be the MC.


That said, I don’t want players to feel like they’re watching NTR—especially since I don’t like it either. I’m thinking about how I can make adjustments while keeping the overall plot on track. For example, if I remove Anno from certain scenes entirely and let them play out without his presence, would that still feel like an issue?


Your point about the Fawn and Goblin scene is completely fair. Anno doesn’t actually need to be there, and his presence makes him come across as too weak. I’ll be editing that scene so he only sees the very end, and I’ll be removing the internal “should I help her or not” moment—that part doesn’t work, and I agree it feels lame.


Regarding Fawn potentially being a future love interest, and how that makes the situation feel closer to NTR—I think that’s a valid interpretation as well. I suspect a lot of people saw her cute thumbnail and assumed she’d be a deer waifu. In reality, Fawn is meant to be one of the more tragic characters in the story.

Fawn serves a purpose in the MC's corruption arc:


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I wouldn't put too much stake in the vocal few who complain about NTR, they are everywhere on every thread that remotely relates to a game that even tangentially touches on the MC not being the sole focus of every female character. You essentially can't make anything other than a pure love game or a standard harem game without encountering them. I'm not into most of the content in this game myself, but it's well written and fairly well designed in my opinion. I'll eventually write a review on it. It's worth playing to me for a little puzzle dungeon stuff and the hope for more of the catgirl.
 
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Yeah, though I'll argue a few feel a bit closer than others, mainly due to unfortunate wording/set up. It's also sort of a player-centric thing where you see all these cute characters in the banner and think you'll get to see scenes with them with Anno, especially since the title description make it sound like a typical harem fantasy, but instead we see what happens in Chapter 1 with most of them. I don't wanna say "false advertising" because it's not *really* that, but imagine if something like... Kingdom Of Subversion (dunno why this game reminds me of that) had an hour and a half intro where you just saw scenes with the title characters having sex/being raped by other people while the MC just stood there.
It's also sort of a player-centric thing where you see all these cute characters in the banner and think you'll get to see scenes with them with Anno, especially since the title description make it sound like a typical harem fantasy, but instead we see what happens in Chapter 1 with most of them.”

I think this is the core issue. My banner makes the game look similar to others in a genre players are already very familiar with. As a result, they come in with certain expectations—such as being able to romance specific characters. When that doesn’t align with Anno’s perspective, some players feel differently. I think those reactions are valid criticisms, and it’s something I didn’t anticipate well enough.

I also feel that the beginning of the game is the weakest part overall—in terms of scenes, story, and execution. It was the first content I created, which shows. The difficulty in revising it now is that many later events and systems are built on top of those early scenes, so changing them would result in a major redo of the whole script.

So all in all - I’m glad many people enjoy the game. Those that don’t - I hear you and I think changes in Chapter 2 will make the game closer to what you were expecting / hoping for.
 
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I’ve been spending some time reading through player feedback and thinking about how I can improve the experience without compromising the core direction of the game. I wanted to share a few changes and options I’m currently likely to implement:

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Personally, I actually like the idea of adding options. The scenes would still exist and be viewable if you want to see them, but on your playthrough, the characters wouldn’t actually be touched if you choose to intervene. That way, players who want agency get it, and players who want the full experience don’t lose anything.

Changes will probably come in January update.
 

soxfanforever

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Enjoying the game so far, but the quick time events are too fast for me on a laptop touchpad (and I imagine they'd still be too fast with a mouse). I had to settle for taking the damage on the locked room event (lich quest), but I've got no such option on the pond in the labyrinth. I've tried several dozen times save scumming and the most I've ever been able to get is 4 stones (might not be a timing issue, seems erratic as I've had it "time out" immediately after clicking the first stone several times).
 
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IMO I'd change Fawn to still getting raped, but Anno interrupts it/kills the goblins raping her. Perhaps instead when the pixie mentions Goblins, it triggers Anno's sidequest to get the Anti-Goblin sword first. I think that'll keep Fawn as tragic, but give Anno more agency. Perhaps this could even be Anno's later justifcation for part of the darker path with her?
 
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Enjoying the game so far, but the quick time events are too fast for me on a laptop touchpad (and I imagine they'd still be too fast with a mouse). I had to settle for taking the damage on the locked room event (lich quest), but I've got no such option on the pond in the labyrinth. I've tried several dozen times save scumming and the most I've ever been able to get is 4 stones (might not be a timing issue, seems erratic as I've had it "time out" immediately after clicking the first stone several times).
Hello,

Thanks for your comment. I’ll add a skip option for the pond game. I know some people can’t do them because of platform or hardware issues (and others just hate mini games). The pond game only gives an item and has no other quest connection, so if you want to leave it undone, you can.
 
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IMO I'd change Fawn to still getting raped, but Anno interrupts it/kills the goblins raping her. Perhaps instead when the pixie mentions Goblins, it triggers Anno's sidequest to get the Anti-Goblin sword first. I think that'll keep Fawn as tragic, but give Anno more agency. Perhaps this could even be Anno's later justifcation for part of the darker path with her?
The main challenge I have changing her story is:

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Wait so this is not a battle raper or it is? Am i gonna be able to beat up and fuck monster girls or am i gonna be a cuck voyeur and just watch the monsters do it instead of me?
 
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Wait so this is not a battle raper or it is? Am i gonna be able to beat up and fuck monster girls or am i gonna be a cuck voyeur and just watch the monsters do it instead of me?
Hello,

I’d suggest coming back when Chapter 2 is out. It will be closer to what you’re looking for.

For Chapter 1, the character focuses on one romantic interest and many of the scenes do involve monsters and other girls.
 
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It is an okay game, probably better made than a lot of others.

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Hello,

Thanks for taking the time to leave such a detailed comment. I can’t respond to every individual point, but I do genuinely appreciate hearing feedback from people who’ve played the game.

If you were on v1.0, there were unfortunately a few quest-order bugs that affected some players. Most of those have since been fixed in later updates.

Regarding the content,

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