VN Ren'Py Shadows of Ambition [Ch.4] [AbyssGames]

[SymbioticLife]

Also, is this game on a monthly release schedule? Most other AI-art games are, and for good reason, it shouldn't take as much time or resources to generate AI art, compared to genuine, hand-drawn art.

So far the updates have come a month apart, but I feel like there's a massive misconception people have about what actually takes the time when making an AI driven VN - at least one that is any good.

It's not the rendering. Once you know what you're doing and have a good GPU you can bust out hundreds of amazing renders in a couple weeks that isn't the issue. The issue is everything outside of the rendering. The image editing and quality control, the writing, the audio design, the proofreading and feedback.

The rendering is literally the easiest part of making an AI vn.

For now we are aiming at a Christmas~ release. But there's certainly no guarantees. Abyss doesn't do this full time, he has a job on top of this. And I also only help in my spare time. People need to be aware of the actual things that hold up production, it isn't rendering.

 

[Luther9555]

I see Kate I like

 

[nickrotund]

rly like it but one thing that confuse me with this and also my new girlfriend is i feel its kind of missing explanation as to why literal every girl is a slut.. this one atleast its the gf is like "i have to be or i lose my bf because all other girls in town are sluts" but the rest of the girls?? slut virus in the air maybe

 

[R1k0]

rly like it but one thing that confuse me with this and also my new girlfriend is i feel its kind of missing explanation as to why literal every girl is a slut.. this one atleast its the gf is like "i have to be or i lose my bf because all other girls in town are sluts" but the rest of the girls?? slut virus in the air maybe

Because it's the easiest thing to do for a developer, you don't have to come up with any reasons for sex scenes, just all women are sluts by default and have sex because they're nymphos.

 

[SymbioticLife]

Because it's the easiest thing to do for a developer, you don't have to come up with any reasons for sex scenes, just all women are sluts by default and have sex because they're nymphos.

I mean there are certain things that have to be done so the game doesn't take 6 chapters of mostly pure exposition to get started. But r1k0, you certainly spend a lot of time in threads for games you mostly just disparage.

rly like it but one thing that confuse me with this and also my new girlfriend is i feel its kind of missing explanation as to why literal every girl is a slut.. this one atleast its the gf is like "i have to be or i lose my bf because all other girls in town are sluts" but the rest of the girls?? slut virus in the air maybe

But yea, don't really disagree. At the same time a certain amount of plot convenience has to be used so people don't wait around eternally for anything to happen. In the future we might get the chance to explore more of why Kate/Sophie are the way they are though, who knows. Then again, a certain amount mysteriousness with some characters can sometimes be a good thing.

I think we can assume though that this is a slightly alternate reality, where sexual relations are a bit more loose than our norm. We still try to write something that makes sense within that framework, but the framework is not literally earth. If it was it'd be hard to create a NTS/corruption game in general.

 

[Kleio75]

not bad

 

[Jonathanbezoz2023]

I mean there are certain things that have to be done so the game doesn't take 6 chapters of mostly pure exposition to get started. But r1k0, you certainly spend a lot of time in threads for games you mostly just disparage.


But yea, don't really disagree. At the same time a certain amount of plot convenience has to be used so people don't wait around eternally for anything to happen. In the future we might get the chance to explore more of why Kate/Sophie are the way they are though, who knows. Then again, a certain amount mysteriousness with some characters can sometimes be a good thing.

I think we can assume though that this is a slightly alternate reality, where sexual relations are a bit more loose than our norm. We still try to write something that makes sense within that framework, but the framework is not literally earth. If it was it'd be hard to create a NTS/corruption game in general.

Completely agree with this, while I don’t want games that are instantly just filth with no build up. I’m absolutely not gonna play through 4 updates over 6 months to see the first blowjob scene

 

[Ninro]

the art design look amazing

 

[Rugerrell6]

Thanks for the feedback! I've never heard that term before so glad I learned something new today. Well considering this is a game where sexual fantasies have free reign, it's hard to create art, even with AI that doesn't cause certain reactions from people. What I mean is, as I've never heard about autogynephilia, I wouldn't make the connection to it from these pictures. For me, they were horny, naughty and playful and I assume for other people it will be the same, however like you said, you might make that connection to that, even though that's not my intent with these pictures and I don't think I can solve that problem without making the facial expressions too bland..

So this isnt gonna have any choices at all? Like you cant choose to sleep with certain girls even if it doesnt change the story. I mean why have a ton of characters and sexy girls if you arent gonna be able to have fun interactions with them? Even if its just non canon side content or something. Most likely when you reach the end of the story you will probably end up feeling like somethings missing because there will be a ton of unexplored territory. Like for example I would love to be able bang the Sophie chick but still have story go the way its supposed to. Anyway thats just my 2 cents, i like what your doing so far I hope all goes well.

 

[SymbioticLife]

So this isnt gonna have any choices at all? Like you cant choose to sleep with certain girls even if it doesnt change the story. I mean why have a ton of characters and sexy girls if you arent gonna be able to have fun interactions with them? Even if its just non canon side content or something. Most likely when you reach the end of the story you will probably end up feeling like somethings missing because there will be a ton of unexplored territory. Like for example I would love to be able bang the Sophie chick but still have story go the way its supposed to. Anyway thats just my 2 cents, i like what your doing so far I hope all goes well.

The MC will sleep with a lot of the girls, potentially Sophie too. No decision has been made regarding really any of the girls other than one or two outside of Alice. Unfortunately adding in branching choices comes with extra issues, and it's hard to justify writing in a sexual relationship that has literally zero impact on the story (which is what we'd have to do to have Luke sleep with a girl and not have it change any other event).

I can assure you Luke (or the MC, if you self insert) will get girls to have fun with, do not be concerned on that point. Sophie may or may not be one of them, we just haven't really planned that far ahead.

 

[Kitiuuu]

hi the game is super i really liked the game but will you have the cuckold path here and what else what other paths and so good luck to you with the game

 

[Rugerrell6]

The MC will sleep with a lot of the girls, potentially Sophie too. No decision has been made regarding really any of the girls other than one or two outside of Alice. Unfortunately adding in branching choices comes with extra issues, and it's hard to justify writing in a sexual relationship that has literally zero impact on the story (which is what we'd have to do to have Luke sleep with a girl and not have it change any other event).

I can assure you Luke (or the MC, if you self insert) will get girls to have fun with, do not be concerned on that point. Sophie may or may not be one of them, we just haven't really planned that far ahead.

Well the introduction does say its a NTS/NTR story which is cool with me. Im not a self-inserter, I usually watch how the story unfolds as long as its interesting. And dont get me wrong the characters introduced so far are really good looking models and the girlfriend is sexy, I just think since the Sophie character is introduced she is the perfect character to start some drama in the story or otherwise, since she is slutty from the jump and her model is my favorite so far. A nts/ntr story should have a bunch of interesting drama and scenarios in order for it to be unique and not typical run of the mill sharing story. Basically I think this has alot of potential to be really good. So I'll just have to wait and see what you come up with.

 

[R1k0]

you certainly spend a lot of time in threads for games you mostly just disparage.

It's purely for research purposes, to see how porn games are degenerating these days.

 

[nickrotund]

I mean there are certain things that have to be done so the game doesn't take 6 chapters of mostly pure exposition to get started. But r1k0, you certainly spend a lot of time in threads for games you mostly just disparage.


But yea, don't really disagree. At the same time a certain amount of plot convenience has to be used so people don't wait around eternally for anything to happen. In the future we might get the chance to explore more of why Kate/Sophie are the way they are though, who knows. Then again, a certain amount mysteriousness with some characters can sometimes be a good thing.

I think we can assume though that this is a slightly alternate reality, where sexual relations are a bit more loose than our norm. We still try to write something that makes sense within that framework, but the framework is not literally earth. If it was it'd be hard to create a NTS/corruption game in general.

i was thinking that as explanation, alternate universe where sexual liberty is common and maybe the dangers/downsides of it isnt prevalent. or if town they are in maybe one of the first or only towns in the state or country that allowed strip clubs or prostitution and it sort of made it that alot of sexual free women moved there. just very loose explanation but explanation nontheless.

as u say its still prefered over hours of explanation and maybe some dark elements that just bums u out (for exemple daddy issues due to distant or abusive dad, not very fun to include stuff like it in a sexy game i understand)

 

[Hfap5]

All the work is done by the AI, but the "dev" is so lazy that he doesn't even want to add options or different paths

 

[BOBtheboober1995]

All the work is done by the AI, but the "dev" is so lazy that he doesn't even want to add options or different paths

adding different path options makes coding, writing and testing to double or more time required for development and lead to more complex work in game's future updates. AI is not easy as you think as there is lot of quality control and editing required, sure it is faster then regular art but this helps Devs focus on other parts of game to release updates sooner and more polished.
TBH i never liked '' add options or different paths '' as most of it leads to half baked story, linear VN provide much better quality and taught behind project.

 

[Nate Kirk]

Good update, a lot of content, probably more than in chapter 1 which is a good sign because the first one was really short. hopefully the rest of the updates are also at least this long otherwise the game will take forever to get to the good parts

 

[kristo0086]

I simply can’t understand after all these years how some people can still go and ask “Why can’t we sleep with every single female” in a god damned NTS game! This is the equivalent of going to a harem game and saying “Man we are sleeping with too many chicks” well guess why Sherlock?

You are supposed to be sleeping with almost no one because this is a NTS game!

With a girlfriend , of course , we will fuck and watch her get fucked.

 

[AbyssGames]

All the work is done by the AI, but the "dev" is so lazy that he doesn't even want to add options or different paths

As I mentioned before, I only use AI for the renders and it is far from perfect in the sense that it does all the work for me. In my case, I spend most of my time manually editing the images in photoshop, creating scenes and more. Adding options or different paths is a risky move for a first time developer, but there's plenty of them on this site that have attempted this!

Unfortunately, 90% have the abandoned tag, so good luck with that.

 

[AbyssGames]

Good update, a lot of content, probably more than in chapter 1 which is a good sign because the first one was really short. hopefully the rest of the updates are also at least this long otherwise the game will take forever to get to the good parts

I've laid out the plans for chapter 3 and it will be the largest update to date. Aiming for a Christmas release.