Alleykatt

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Just for fun, I though I would try and reproduce something similar to the above post in Stable Diffusion. This was my first attempt and it is not too bad I think. Slightly different style of course (it is difficult to get it the same without knowing what was used to make it) but OK considering it is entire txt2img and uses no Loras - it is just a prompt. This was using animicsPonyXL_v40.

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Just for fun, I though I would try and reproduce something similar to the above post in Stable Diffusion. This was my first attempt and it is not too bad I think. Slightly different style of course (it is difficult to get it the same without knowing what was used to make it) but OK considering it is entire txt2img and uses no Loras - it is just a prompt. This was using animicsPonyXL_v40.

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Yo, love to see others creating fan art for the game, there is a fan art thread https://f95zone.to/threads/shadows-of-ambition-abyssgames-fan-art-thread.234591/ where you're also super free to post, and there's some small details on the lora setup (not everything) in the very opening post. If you use melkor and vintage as your base you can play around with them and get something within the realm of what the game looks like, can try throwing in the My new girlfriend lora found on civitai too. We have an inhouse we use for SoA so it'll never be 100% the same, but its the best way to get a similarish look if you want that. But fan art that looks different is perfectly great too, good job.
 
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Alleykatt

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Yo, love to see others creating fan art for the game, there is a fan art thread https://f95zone.to/threads/shadows-of-ambition-ch-4-5-abyssgames.231321/post-16837440 where you're also super free to post, and there's some small details on the lora setup (not everything) in the very opening post.
Can you link to the fan art thread please? The link you gave in the above is just to a post in this thread. Sorry if I am bing dense, but I can't see a fan art thread here. (Or are you referring to your own page on CivitAI?)
 

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Can you link to the fan art thread please? The link you gave in the above is just to a post in this thread. Sorry if I am bing dense, but I can't see a fan art thread here. (Or are you referring to your own page on CivitAI?)
I fixed the link, no clue how that even happened. Fan art thread is also linked in the first post of this thread
 

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Can I ask, what is the thinking behind this being a kinetic novel and not a game? It seems like it wouldn't be too hard to turn into a game, which would presumably lead to more interest. I realize that there may be a need for some alternative scenes but some games on this site do a good job of keeping the complexity down while still offering choice.
 

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Can I ask, what is the thinking behind this being a kinetic novel and not a game? It seems like it wouldn't be too hard to turn into a game, which would presumably lead to more interest. I realize that there may be a need for some alternative scenes but some games on this site do a good job of keeping the complexity down while still offering choice.
I find it better as a kinetic novel tbh. By game what do you mean, like choices or rpgm?
 

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Can I ask, what is the thinking behind this being a kinetic novel and not a game? It seems like it wouldn't be too hard to turn into a game, which would presumably lead to more interest. I realize that there may be a need for some alternative scenes but some games on this site do a good job of keeping the complexity down while still offering choice.
On the surface, choices don't seem like a hard thing to add and that's partly true. Writing choices or the coding part of them is easy, but the impact they have on the development time is what drives me away from them. I don't want to do simple yes/no type of choices, whether you do something or not. I want them to have a major impact on the story which would branch off into their own unique path. That's how choices should be set up. Now let's say I add 3 different paths, then every event would bring 3 choices with them and each play out in their own way. This would mean I would have to write 3x the amount of dialogue and produce 3x the amount of renders. Considering I do this part time, this would make the update cycle very long. I'm talking 6 months to produce an update with the same amount of content for each route, which now I'm able to cut that down to around 2 months.

The counter argument could be made: Well, make the updates smaller then, which is fair, but also, do you really want to play 10 minutes of an update instead of 30? 90% of the people play through every route anyway to see all the content, even if they don't like said route, they might want to see what type of renders/scenes it brings.

Another solution could be: Make the choices simple, with either yes I want this or no, I don't want this. Which again, is something I don't even consider as a proper choice, but just a way to bypass the kinetic novel type. Even if I were to do something like that, people will expect something in return for choosing yes or no in certain situations. You shouldn't be punished with less content, just because you don't want to do a certain thing. + Any dialogue referencing that specific choice event needs to be written and altered with the choice in mind, which again, doubles my workload.

TL;DR - Choices seem simple on the surface, but bring a lot of workload with them. If I were to do them, I want to do them justice and make them impactful. As a part-time game dev, I only have 2-3 hours every day to work on the game. Considering this is my first project, I didn't want to bite off more than I can chew. I want to build trust with the community with a quality product and gain as much experience as possible in order to eventually make a proper game with multiple paths. Once I can grow a team to aid in me such an endeavour.
 

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On the surface, choices don't seem like a hard thing to add and that's partly true. Writing choices or the coding part of them is easy, but the impact they have on the development time is what drives me away from them. I don't want to do simple yes/no type of choices, whether you do something or not. I want them to have a major impact on the story which would branch off into their own unique path. That's how choices should be set up. Now let's say I add 3 different paths, then every event would bring 3 choices with them and each play out in their own way. This would mean I would have to write 3x the amount of dialogue and produce 3x the amount of renders. Considering I do this part time, this would make the update cycle very long. I'm talking 6 months to produce an update with the same amount of content for each route, which now I'm able to cut that down to around 2 months.

The counter argument could be made: Well, make the updates smaller then, which is fair, but also, do you really want to play 10 minutes of an update instead of 30? 90% of the people play through every route anyway to see all the content, even if they don't like said route, they might want to see what type of renders/scenes it brings.

Another solution could be: Make the choices simple, with either yes I want this or no, I don't want this. Which again, is something I don't even consider as a proper choice, but just a way to bypass the kinetic novel type. Even if I were to do something like that, people will expect something in return for choosing yes or no in certain situations. You shouldn't be punished with less content, just because you don't want to do a certain thing. + Any dialogue referencing that specific choice event needs to be written and altered with the choice in mind, which again, doubles my workload.

TL;DR - Choices seem simple on the surface, but bring a lot of workload with them. If I were to do them, I want to do them justice and make them impactful. As a part-time game dev, I only have 2-3 hours every day to work on the game. Considering this is my first project, I didn't want to bite off more than I can chew. I want to build trust with the community with a quality product and gain as much experience as possible in order to eventually make a proper game with multiple paths. Once I can grow a team to aid in me such an endeavour.
Absolutely right, friends. But then the question is 'why bother clicking?'. You could go for a webcomic, an animated serie or that kind of media i can't recall the name, but it's basically a partially animated comic content they usually use to pitch an idea. Or at last the autoforeward option, but it probably has it already.

If there is no choice to be made the click for transiction, the save/load function, the title menu, the options and so on are all basically redundant.

I don't mean to critic, it's just an observation.
 

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Absolutely right, friends. But then the question is 'why bother clicking?'. You could go for a webcomic, an animated serie or that kind of media i can't recall the name, but it's basically a partially animated comic content they usually use to pitch an idea. Or at last the autoforeward option, but it probably has it already.

If there is no choice to be made the click for transiction, the save/load function, the title menu, the options and so on are all basically redundant.

I don't mean to critic, it's just an observation.
It's definitely a fair assessment, I view it the same as to: Why bother watching a tv-series or an anime or a movie? We can't alter the story. We're just spectating what happens, but that doesn't mean the movie/anime/series can't be good and enjoyable to watch.

For me, the downsides of adding choices outweigh the positives of not adding them at this point my journey. I've only started end of last November. I still have a lot to learn and in the future, I hope to be able to create something truly unique and meaningful. (I'm not saying Shadows of Amibition isn't meaningful, I just don't have the available resources to do something like that currently.)

If that means for certain people that this game/comic/novel is shit and not worth a try, so be it.
 

Alleykatt

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It's your baby, you should do what you are comfortable with. I think one of the things that can kill any creativity is devs trying to pander to the critics. However, I confess that I usually just skip kinetic novels with no choices because I find them a bit boring. I skipped your game initially too and the only reason I came to try it was because I saw your CivitAI page and liked the art.
 
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