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circuitarity

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I get that's a fairly specific choice. Maybe I should think about giving Kat another option to avoid this situation (and blackmail situations in general) - if it bothered you enough to quit the game, then there will be more people who don't like it. It would be a shame if they ended the game they otherwise liked just because of this.
Don't change the story to suit 1 voice. If you feel the persons reasoning is legitimate then ask your paying supporters opinion by patreon vote before changing anything.
There are literally billions of potential fetish combinations and making any change even adding an easy out to a blackmail scheme might make you lose people who actually pay and like that choice. Any change provided to a single complaint makes it no longer "your story" now it's the 1 person who complained story.
All that being said, you should give your paid subscribers the option to vote on silly little choices you haven't fully decided on like "Should I show her going pee?" or even "Should I show her going pee, poop or neither?" (this is just a silly example not an idea to use), these votes will get you in tune with the people helping to finance your work AND makes them feel like they contributed even if the result doesn't match what they voted and you will lose fewer supporters if they voted against what the results came up as.
 

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Don't change the story to suit 1 voice. If you feel the persons reasoning is legitimate then ask your paying supporters opinion by patreon vote before changing anything.
There are literally billions of potential fetish combinations and making any change even adding an easy out to a blackmail scheme might make you lose people who actually pay and like that choice. Any change provided to a single complaint makes it no longer "your story" now it's the 1 person who complained story.
All that being said, you should give your paid subscribers the option to vote on silly little choices you haven't fully decided on like "Should I show her going pee?" or even "Should I show her going pee, poop or neither?" (this is just a silly example not an idea to use), these votes will get you in tune with the people helping to finance your work AND makes them feel like they contributed even if the result doesn't match what they voted and you will lose fewer supporters if they voted against what the results came up as.
Thank you for the advice.
 
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Buletti

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Don't change the story to suit 1 voice. If you feel the persons reasoning is legitimate then ask your paying supporters opinion by patreon vote before changing anything.
There are literally billions of potential fetish combinations and making any change even adding an easy out to a blackmail scheme might make you lose people who actually pay and like that choice. Any change provided to a single complaint makes it no longer "your story" now it's the 1 person who complained story.
All that being said, you should give your paid subscribers the option to vote on silly little choices you haven't fully decided on like "Should I show her going pee?" or even "Should I show her going pee, poop or neither?" (this is just a silly example not an idea to use), these votes will get you in tune with the people helping to finance your work AND makes them feel like they contributed even if the result doesn't match what they voted and you will lose fewer supporters if they voted against what the results came up as.
This!

But as he said, don´t make it about things that impact the real story like blackmail, rape, abduction. That will only create unnecessary discussion. On the other hand polls will make people change their support tier because a lot of people have FOMO or think their opinion is of so much importance that it urgently needs to be heard and respected. Almost all the devs that do better on Patreon and the like use polls to keep the audience entertained.

One question in this regard: The new update unlocks some of the older Patreon scenes. Is there a way to get to them when already in chapter 11? Like will they popup in the playthrough going forward? Or are they tied to the specific chapter and you would have to do another playthrough to see them?

THX in advance!
 

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This!

But as he said, don´t make it about things that impact the real story like blackmail, rape, abduction. That will only create unnecessary discussion. On the other hand polls will make people change their support tier because a lot of people have FOMO or think their opinion is of so much importance that it urgently needs to be heard and respected. Almost all the devs that do better on Patreon and the like use polls to keep the audience entertained.

One question in this regard: The new update unlocks some of the older Patreon scenes. Is there a way to get to them when already in chapter 11? Like will they popup in the playthrough going forward? Or are they tied to the specific chapter and you would have to do another playthrough to see them?

THX in advance!
If you missed a bonus scene in-game (either because you didn't unlock it via code at that time or because you weren't on the relevant path), you will be able to replay it from the Gallery after you use your Patreon code (because the newest Patreon code also serves as a Gallery unlocker).

The newest Patreon code unlocks all bonus content. You can see the list of Patreon bonuses in the main menu under the 'Code unlock' (the name changes to 'All unlocked!' when you unlock the bonus content).

In general, some scenes are tied to specific chapters and some are not.
 

ffive

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That's a good idea, I can add that.
On the topic of UI improvements, having the indicator how revealing is the current set of clothing buried in the stats results in a very tiresome back and for from "clothes" to "stats" and back to "clothes" again, rinse and repeat, if the player wants to pay attention to it. Having it on the dress-up screens would simplify things. For this matter, does this parameter actually well, matter, as far as the story is concerned?

Also, this is slightly more work, but it'd be pretty cool if the game actually recorded clothing choices for given scene (technically as simple as integer pairs in an array) and used that data for the "recap of previous week(s)" bits. As it is, it can be slightly illusion-breaking to see Kat wear stuff you remember she did not.
 

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On the topic of UI improvements, having the indicator how revealing is the current set of clothing buried in the stats results in a very tiresome back and for from "clothes" to "stats" and back to "clothes" again, rinse and repeat, if the player wants to pay attention to it. Having it on the dress-up screens would simplify things. For this matter, does this parameter actually well, matter, as far as the story is concerned?

Also, this is slightly more work, but it'd be pretty cool if the game actually recorded clothing choices for given scene (technically as simple as integer pairs in an array) and used that data for the "recap of previous week(s)" bits. As it is, it can be slightly illusion-breaking to see Kat wear stuff you remember she did not.
It matters in so far as if your outfits cross a certain threshold of sluttiness the Exhibitionist score goes up. I haven't seen anything that Exhibitionist score affects at this point.
 
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It matters in so far as if your outfits cross a certain threshold of sluttiness the Exhibitionist score goes up. I haven't seen anything that Exhibitionist score affects at this point.
I've peeked in the game scripts out of curiosity, and it turns out that skimpy clothing also has impact on various characters. E.g. wearing skimpy clothes around Adam causes relationship with him take a hit, while for some others (Theresa, Danny, Rick, the guy at the store and some others) it can improve relationship and/or their lust for Kat.

There's also a hidden variable, "slutty reputation" which increases if Kat attends classes in revealing clothes. (or masturbates on a public beach)
 
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IridescentTaste

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On the topic of UI improvements, having the indicator how revealing is the current set of clothing buried in the stats results in a very tiresome back and for from "clothes" to "stats" and back to "clothes" again, rinse and repeat, if the player wants to pay attention to it. Having it on the dress-up screens would simplify things. For this matter, does this parameter actually well, matter, as far as the story is concerned?
Yeah, I can add this.

Also, this is slightly more work, but it'd be pretty cool if the game actually recorded clothing choices for given scene (technically as simple as integer pairs in an array) and used that data for the "recap of previous week(s)" bits. As it is, it can be slightly illusion-breaking to see Kat wear stuff you remember she did not.
As you said, this would be more work, but I can do that too, we'll see. The idea for those summaries was to recap the story for players who are playing the new chapter 2-3 months after the previous one, and I didn't bother with implementing it because I assumed no one would remember what Kat wore anyway. Lazy, I know :D.
 
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I've peeked in the game scripts out of curiosity, and it turns out that skimpy clothing also has impact on various characters. E.g. wearing skimpy clothes around Adam causes relationship with him take a hit, while for some others (Theresa, Danny, Rick, the guy at the store and some others) it can improve relationship and/or their lust for Kat.

There's also a hidden variable, "slutty reputation" which increases if Kat attends classes in revealing clothes. (or masturbates on a public beach)
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Like, holy shit, i went literally on one date with this guy, didn't even kiss him at the end or anything, then i politely turned down his offer for another because i was busy, and he never bothered to get in touch again afterwards... but now two weeks later he throws a hissy fit as if i owed him something, because he saw me kissing with a girl? Even though my status with him is explicitly f?

This is why you're still single and do terribly in content polls, bitch boi. :cautious:
 
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ffive

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On a different note, while peeking at the script spotted what seems like a logic error in Ch.9:
Python:
    if ch7RickSex > 0:
        $ ch9HannaCheatingCount += 1
    if ch7AdamSex > 0:
        $ ch9HannaCheatingCount += 1
    if ch8AdamSex > 0:
        $ ch9HannaCheatingCount += 1
    if ch8GilroySex > 0:
        $ ch9HannaCheatingCount += 1
    if ch9RickSex > 0:
        $ ch9HannaCheatingCount += 1
    if ch9GilroyBj == True:
        $ ch9HannaCheatingCount += 1
There's two issues here:

* one, it considers sex with other people as cheating on Hanna regardless if the MC is in official relationship with her, or not, which is inconsistent with other parts of the script which discern between s and u relationship status (or no relationship at all, for this matter)

* and two, this calculation is performed after the talk with Hanna on day 32 which makes use of the result for some text variants. Meaning the MC never has any internal monologue about her potential cheating even if she did, because at that point the cheating tally is still 0.
 
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Like, holy shit, i went literally on one date with this guy, didn't even kiss him at the end or anything, then i politely turned down his offer for another because i was busy, and he never bothered to get in touch again afterwards... but now two weeks later he throws a hissy fit as if i owed him something, because he saw me kissing with a girl? Even though my status with him is explicitly f?

This is why you're still single and do terribly in content polls, bitch boi. :cautious:
I guess he still thought he had a shot... :oops:
 
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IridescentTaste

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On a different note, while peeking at the script spotted what seems like a logic error in Ch.9:
Python:
    if ch7RickSex > 0:
        $ ch9HannaCheatingCount += 1
    if ch7AdamSex > 0:
        $ ch9HannaCheatingCount += 1
    if ch8AdamSex > 0:
        $ ch9HannaCheatingCount += 1
    if ch8GilroySex > 0:
        $ ch9HannaCheatingCount += 1
    if ch9RickSex > 0:
        $ ch9HannaCheatingCount += 1
    if ch9GilroyBj == True:
        $ ch9HannaCheatingCount += 1
There's two issues here:

* one, it considers sex with other people as cheating on Hanna regardless if the MC is in official relationship with her, or not, which is inconsistent with other parts of the script which discern between s and u relationship status (or no relationship at all, for this matter)

* and two, this calculation is performed after the talk with Hanna on day 32 which makes use of the result for some text variants. Meaning the MC never has any internal monologue about her potential cheating even if she did, because at that point the cheating tally is still 0.
I shall fix it. Thanks for the bug reports!

If you're looking that deep into it, you must be horrified about the weird constructs and hotfixes all around the code. Sorry.
 
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Can anyone lay out how much lesbian storylines are in this game? Are they big and important or just side things around larger storylines? Can you play a meaningful run as solely lesbian?
The main ones are Theresa and Hanna, however you cannot date both at same time (actually you can only date Hanna at this moment), you'll have to make a commitment down the line and pick one, so I'd advise to pick one out of the gate and stick it until other branches are implemented (if ever). As far as plot relevance, they both kinda join Kat's pursuit and become meaningful to her in their own's right.
There is also Lexie, but she is currently a side character, you can have an "affair" with her while pursuing both Theresa and Hanna. She's hinted to have some type of connection with Viola (Kat's sister) both not fleshed out yet.
If you seeking a full lesbian experience, I'd say it's not the focus of the game, it's decent on that aspect, but the story itself is very compelling, so I'd say definitelly check it out.
 

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you'll have to make a commitment down the line and pick one, so I'd advise to pick one out of the gate and stick it until other branches are implemented (if ever).
Technically you can start with dating Hanna but then break up after things advance far enough for her to drop the l word, at which point Theresa might make a move.
 

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Technically you can start with dating Hanna but then break up after things advance far enough for her to drop the l word, at which point Theresa might make a move.
Theresa is really actively making a move? Dang! Seems I have to go back.

So far my MC did not commit to Hannah but also would not reject her. Theresa did behave though.

Man, this VN is really amazing with it 's branching.
 

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Theresa is really actively making a move? Dang! Seems I have to go back.
It can happen during Ch.8, on day 27 (when Theresa asks MC to help her clean up after the party) if the MC told Hanna she doesn't love her in Ch.7 and either visited the mansion with Theresa before, or kissed her in Ch.3

Theresa won't do it if the MC is anything other than friends with Hanna, she's trying to be a good friend.
 
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