VN Ren'Py Shattered Dreams [v0.1] [Nebula Dreams]

[MixQQ]

No, I understand your point of view, but you can look at it from another angle.
This scene doesn’t necessarily have to be in the “Hahaha, look what you missed” style—it can be more subtle. For example, let’s say at a party, you realize that two girls are having sex, and you have the choice to watch or not.

If you choose to watch, great—you get to enjoy the scene. If not, that’s fine too—you made the choice not to watch, and you’re absolutely entitled to that.
No scene is wasted, it will show the evolution of a character.

at this point you can even make guy-girl scene, it exactly the same garbage, so why not?

 

[Juerhullycin]

? I never said it was going to be a “I told you to stay with me” moral delusion with the LI taunting you.
But in any case, as I've already said, you'll see when the time comes and in any case all of them will be avoidable if you make the choice not to see him.

so what is the subtle version of the “Hahaha, look what you missed”-style and how does the subtility of it change the message???

 

[Nebula Dreams]

Yeah, again these mysterious OPTIONAL scenes that are NECESSARY for the story. For me personally, these are mutually exclusive paragraphs, but the dev knows better.

Sorry, but in fact the 5 LI paths are actually optional, if a player doesn’t want to engage in any of these paths, they won’t see any of them and will just follow the main story.
Otherwise, I’d just be making a kinetic novel if I started thinking like this: “The scene is optional and not popular, so I’ll just skip it even though I want to include it in my story.”

at this point you can even make guy-girl scene, it exactly the same garbage, so why not?

But who said there wouldn’t be any?

so what is the subtle version of the “Hahaha, look what you missed”-style and how does the subtility of it change the message???

For example, if you're in a park and you hear a girl and a boy having sex, you can take a peek or not.
Voyeurism like this can turn some people on, it's a form of kink to catch people having sex.

It’ll be the same with the lesbian scene—the player will simply have the option to enjoy that scene "in secret."
I don’t understand why you’re reacting like this. At no point have I suggested that this scene would be some sort of humiliation for the player, showing the LI they rejected having a lesbian scene with another girl.

Once again, this LI will have been rejected either by your choices or as a consequence of them, and the scene will never be portrayed as a form of humiliation or mockery—like the girl looking at you out of the corner of her eye and saying, “Hahaha, I told you not to throw me away or mess things up with me.”
No, it’ll never be like that, and I have no interest in putting something like that in my story.

And finally, sorry, but I won’t be removing certain scenes (which are ALL optional) just because only a small part of the community enjoys them.

Your choices will shape your story, so when the time comes for these scenes, simply refuse to see them or take part in them, and I assure you that your experience will remain the same.

 

[metamorphMP]

Sorry, but in fact the 5 LI paths are actually optional, if a player doesn’t want to engage in any of these paths, they won’t see any of them and will just follow the main story.
Otherwise, I’d just be making a kinetic novel if I started thinking like this: “The scene is optional and not popular, so I’ll just skip it even though I want to include it in my story.”


But who said there wouldn’t be any?

For example, if you're in a park and you hear a girl and a boy having sex, you can take a peek or not.
Voyeurism like this can turn some people on, it's a form of kink to catch people having sex.

It’ll be the same with the lesbian scene—the player will simply have the option to enjoy that scene "in secret."
I don’t understand why you’re reacting like this. At no point have I suggested that this scene would be some sort of humiliation for the player, showing the LI they rejected having a lesbian scene with another girl.

Once again, this LI will have been rejected either by your choices or as a consequence of them, and the scene will never be portrayed as a form of humiliation or mockery—like the girl looking at you out of the corner of her eye and saying, “Hahaha, I told you not to throw me away or mess things up with me.”
No, it’ll never be like that, and I have no interest in putting something like that in my story.

And finally, sorry, but I won’t be removing certain scenes (which are ALL optional) just because only a small part of the community enjoys them.

Your choices will shape your story, so when the time comes for these scenes, simply refuse to see them or take part in them, and I assure you that your experience will remain the same.

Thread is a bit chaotic and I got a bit confused.
Can you please clarify, - so, I'm a monogamous player, will it be the case that the girl I chose and in a relation with out of a blue will be involved sexually with other people (it doesn't matter to me girls or guys, it's still cheating)?
Or it will be only the case if we don't go her path?

 

[Nebula Dreams]

Thread is a bit chaotic and I got a bit confused.
Can you please clarify, - so, I'm a monogamous player, will it be the case that the girl I chose and in a relation with out of a blue will be involved sexually with other people (it doesn't matter to me girls or guys, it's still cheating)?
Or it will be only the case if we don't go her path?

If you choose this girl and start a relationship with her, no, she won’t be involved in any sex scenes with another girl or guy by herself.
The only case where sex with a third person can happen is if you mutually agree to have a threesome with another woman, but if you don’t want it to happen, you won’t be forced, and it will never take place in your story.

However, the girl you rejected—depending on your choices in the story—might cross paths with you again, and the scene I mentioned could happen.
But by then, she won’t be your LI anymore since you rejected her.

Yes, the thread is a bit chaotic, but as stated in the "Genre" section, "There will be no NTR/NTS (etc...) or Harem " this will never change, so you will never see your LI have sex with another woman/man.

 

[Raziel_8]

If you choose this girl and start a relationship with her, no, she won’t be involved in any sex scenes with another girl or guy by herself.
The only case where sex with a third person can happen is if you mutually agree to have a threesome with another woman, but if you don’t want it to happen, you won’t be forced, and it will never take place in your story.

However, the girl you rejected—depending on your choices in the story—might cross paths with you again, and the scene I mentioned could happen.
But by then, she won’t be your LI anymore since you rejected her.

Yes, the thread is a bit chaotic, but as stated in the "Genre" section, "There will be no NTR/NTS (etc...) or Harem " this will never change, so you will never see your LI have sex with another woman/man.

The reason why you get critic for this is, it's not a harem game, you are forced to choose one LI.
So most will make several saves fo the different LI's.
And yeah while the LI you reject isn't in a relationship with the MC and as such it is not technically ntr, the thing is, most still want that LI in anothe run and don't like to see ''future'' LI's banging a other character.
For many it will still feel like ntr, especially if this scenes are with other men (many are a bit more lenient if the scene is with a other women).

For me, i have no interest in lewd scenes which don't include the MC at all and find them just mostly wasted work, which could have gone into a scene with the MC and a LI.
If you just show that the LI's you couldn't pick move on with their lives, get a bf/gf that's fine for most...giving them sex scenes with others not so much.

 

[Nebula Dreams]

The reason why you get critic for this is, it's not a harem game, you are forced to choose one LI.
So most will make several saves fo the different LI's.
And yeah while the LI you reject isn't in a relationship with the MC and as such it is not technically ntr, the thing is, most still want that LI in anothe run and don't like to see ''future'' LI's banging a other character.
For many it will still feel like ntr, especially if this scenes are with other men (many are a bit more lenient if the scene is with a other women).
If you just show that the LI's you couldn't pick move on with their lives, get a bf/gf that's fine for most...giving them sex scenes with others not so much.

I completely understand this point, and that’s exactly why, once again, it’s OPTIONAL. You will never be forced into a sex scene after version 0.1.
And I’m sorry, but this is primarily a story—it’s not a harem game. So yes, at some point in the story, you’ll have to make a choice, and the LIs you don’t choose will moves on with her life after you.
You might cross paths with her again (or not), and maybe she’ll have a boyfriend, a girlfriend, or no one at all, but that’s it.

But the worst part of all this is that it’s about just ONE single scene where an ex-LI is making love with her girlfriend.
I mean, from some of the reactions, you’d think I’m forcing you to watch a ten-scene series of your ex-LI making love with her partner.

And for the last time, this is not a Harem game, and that’s the one thing you won’t be able to choose in the game.
You will never finish the game with 5 LIs marrying you and everyone living happily together.
If you can’t understand that and the core premise of my story, then I’m sorry, but this game is not for you.

For me, i have no interest in lewd scenes which don't include the MC at all and find them just mostly wasted work, which could have gone into a scene with the MC and a LI.

Yeah, and just like some people will think that Lena’s, Jennie’s, or another LI’s path is a waste because they prefer Maddison.

 

[Juerhullycin]

showing the LI they rejected having a lesbian scene with another girl.

what different forms of lesbian sex are there? Futa confirmed?

 

[Juerhullycin]

showing the LI they rejected having a lesbian scene with another girl.

what different forms of lesbian sex are there? Futa confirmed?

EDit:

at this point you can even make guy-girl scene, it exactly the same garbage, so why not?

But who said there wouldn’t be any?

you did but as we see No NTR was a lie so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ just another liar

 

[Nebula Dreams]

what different forms of lesbian sex are there? Futa confirmed?

No futa, just basic lesbian sex as you can find in many other games (like for example, Quinn and Camila in BADIK, one of the very first scenes in the HOT house)

EDit:

you did but as we see No NTR was a lie so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ just another liar

Liar? Be careful with the accusations you make—we don’t know each other, so stay respectful.


How would this scene qualify as NTR when she’s no longer YOUR LI and so you’re not supposed to feel jealousy?

And in the worst-case scenario, if you’re still attached to her or if you just want to replay the game later to follow her path, you literally have the choice to NOT SEE the scene.

But I’m done arguing about this. If the game and my explanations don’t appeal to you, I’m not holding you back. Feel free to check out another game—there are thousands of others on this site.

 

[Raziel_8]

I completely understand this point, and that’s exactly why, once again, it’s OPTIONAL. You will never be forced into a sex scene after version 0.1.
And I’m sorry, but this is primarily a story—it’s not a harem game. So yes, at some point in the story, you’ll have to make a choice, and the LIs you don’t choose will moves on with her life after you.
You might cross paths with her again (or not), and maybe she’ll have a boyfriend, a girlfriend, or no one at all, but that’s it.

But the worst part of all this is that it’s about just ONE single scene where an ex-LI is making love with her girlfriend.
I mean, from some of the reactions, you’d think I’m forcing you to watch a ten-scene series of your ex-LI making love with her partner.

And for the last time, this is not a Harem game, and that’s the one thing you won’t be able to choose in the game.
You will never finish the game with 5 LIs marrying you and everyone living happily together.
If you can’t understand that and the core premise of my story, then I’m sorry, but this game is not for you.

Well, i do not know what scenes you have planed, just remember reading some posts above that you don't rule it out with other men, hence i mentioned it in my post.

I'm aware that it isn't a harem game, which is perfectly fine, i like mostly story focused games.
Just saying, that just because she is a ex-LI in one run, she isn't in a other one and there are enough who well still feel it's like ntr, even when it techncalli isn't...not like the players suddenly don't care about a LI anymore when they just finished playing on her love path.

 

[LinkBox88]

When he busts his knee at the beginning, I was like that sucks for him but it'll be worth it if it forces a haircut change. Life trajectory is totally changed and a 3 year time jump later, only for him to have that same bitch boy haircut! What was all that pain for?!

 

[Nebula Dreams]

Well, i do not know what scenes you have planed, just remember reading some posts above that you don't rule it out with other men, hence i mentioned it in my post.

I was talking about a non-LI woman (a stranger) and a man in a park, but it was just an example.
And in any case, I haven’t planned for an ex-LI to do a sex scenes with another guy—it was just a lesbian scene, as I mentioned.

I'm aware that it isn't a harem game, which is perfectly fine, i like mostly story focused games.
Just saying, that just because she is a ex-LI in one run, she isn't in a other one and there are enough who well still feel it's like ntr, even when it techncalli isn't...not like the players suddenly don't care about a LI anymore when they just finished playing on her love path.

I understand, maybe I was too harsh in my last message, but the point remains the same: you won’t be forced into anything, and if you don’t want to see this scene, you simply won’t see it.

But I think it’s too difficult to talk about something you haven’t seen yet, unfortunately.

 

[Chris2041]

I was talking about a non-LI woman (a stranger) and a man in a park, but it was just an example.
And in any case, I haven’t planned for an ex-LI to do a sex scenes with another guy—it was just a lesbian scene, as I mentioned.


I understand, maybe I was too harsh in my last message, but the point remains the same: you won’t be forced into anything, and if you don’t want to see this scene, you simply won’t see it.

But I think it’s too difficult to talk about something you haven’t seen yet, unfortunately.

To tell you the truth im okay in singular visual novels that the characters that you dont get whit them they still have their life and dont be a characters for you only thats cool but another thing is you watching they fuck whit others characters is like you dont chose them look what you are missing dont you want to replay the Game to see this girl that maybe you like but chose another girl you like more like WTF you want to make me feel bad for not chose that girl and dont replay the Game ? If the scene dosent Server nothing for the story why waste the time unless this is a voyeurism game

 

[MixQQ]

I was talking about a non-LI woman (a stranger) and a man in a park, but it was just an example.
And in any case, I haven’t planned for an ex-LI to do a sex scenes with another guy—it was just a lesbian scene, as I mentioned.

why not? There is no difference if it's woman or man, so why not a man? give me logical explanation for that

 

[Nebula Dreams]

To tell you the truth im okay in singular visual novels that the characters that you dont get whit them they still have their life and dont be a characters for you only thats cool but another thing is you watching they fuck whit others characters is like you dont chose them look what you are missing dont you want to replay the Game to see this girl that maybe you like but chose another girl you like more like WTF you want to make me feel bad for not chose that girl and dont replay the Game ?

I’ve already explained this, but I don’t think you’re reading my responses.

If the scene dosent Server nothing for the story why waste the time unless this is a voyeurism game

The "voyeurism" tag is present on the site like many other kinks, but that doesn’t make this a game centered around it.
Why this shortcut of : There may be some voyeurism scenes, so it's a voyeurism game?

why not? There is no difference if it's woman or man, so why not a man? give me logical explanation for that

Because I don’t feel like adding any with a man?
Also, why are you still commenting on this thread? Based on your responses, you seem to dislike/hate lesbian scenes, so why stay here trying to argue about it? You can always find another game without that tag if you prefer.

 

[MixQQ]

Because I don’t feel like adding any with a man?
Also, why are you still commenting on this thread? Based on your responses, you seem to dislike/hate lesbian scenes, so why stay here trying to argue about it? You can always find another game without that tag if you prefer.

just asked simple question. I was curious about your response/excuse for this, that's all

 

[LinkBox88]

Man, if it were me there would be no story because I would say fuck it to everything else and just submit completely to Maddison and let her call all the shots from now on.

Maybe we should have to work our way up to getting the best girl? Feels unearned to start off with her in our lap like this.

 

[Nebula Dreams]

Man, if it were me there would be no story because I would say fuck it to everything else and just submit completely to Maddison and let her call all the shots from now on.

Maybe we should have to work our way up to getting the best girl? Seems wrong to start off with her in our lap like this.

Maddison is great, that’s true.
She's your booty call, but that doesn’t mean you’ve already won her over—just wait and see what happens with her in the future

 

[MagicMan753]

Any other kinks that might be added. Maybe some Femdom/maledom, bdsm elements, etc. Just curious about future kinks possibly added.

And I don't know why a lesbian scene is so controversial, I would have a problem if a main Li got with a guy, but you Already ruled that out, so I have no problem if a LI gets with another girl.