anyone else stopped playing and also find this latest eva's story twist a bit more third wall breaker? i mean she basically erased the whole thing from mc's memory so what was the point of that? wouldn't it make more sense if the mc knew about it but couldn't do anything?
what you are talking is a matter of
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giving the player informations the characters don't have (anymore)
any reference to broken
any wall is just pile of nonsense.
the last i checked i had rights to make a judgment on something i spend my time on and not everything can be interesting to everyone and just like i said before i only stopped playing because i don't like the direction this story is taking and also because i don't like plot holes, specifically the ones that break third wall.
even if assuming any "
breaking wall" definition outside the fourth as correct this will never be an automatic plot hole.
plot hole is a missing element, or something illogical in the flow of the events. interact directly with the audience don't change
per se how the event played, because what need to change is what happen on the screen based on information characters don't have. and if the case arised it's more a question of having
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character without any reason explaining where their extra knowledge come. and again it isn't related in any way to any "
wall breaking"
the last i checked i had rights to make a judgment on something i spend my time on
and other people are allowed to make judgment of what they read and spend their time on. your posts included.
yup she was but did you even read what i said? how is telling us (indirectly of course) everything while erasing mc memory is not a third wall breaker? and how is it not a plot hole? and btw its not forth wall its third wall, i won't bother explaining the difference so if you want to know go do a bit of research.
you maybe right about that i probably shouldn't have indirectly responded to an indirect reply or whatever it was.
Link to third/forth wall break definition for those who might be interested:
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(Edit: just provided links to the definition of breaking third/forth wall)
<<Because the term “breaking the third wall” is relatively new, its definition hasn’t yet been codified into every cinephile’s vocabulary>>
you should know when a new term/locution is involved you cannot take for granted everyone understand them. it's litteraly the point of a new and not codified expression. thinking everything i know everyone know and everything i don't know everyone don't know is a bit... arrogant, don't you agree?
game is nonetheless completely worthless, because nothing we did was our doing, we aren't even the MC at that point.
lolvut? in any game what you are allowed to do it's set by the game developers. at the most basic level any cut-scene or scripted scene '
rob' player of control over the main character, you will have an hard time try to pass it as violation of player agency.
thats what you want, maybe the stuff MC did off his own volition is on Avas command you just dont know it yet.
Do we even know that MC is MC and that his "own volition" is his own? Memorys make up who we are and how we react to stuff, even if she's only able to let MC forget shit, how do we know any character is what they seem to be? Maybe we just forgot how they really are. Maybe Mc has an abysmal relationship whit them, maybe Kobe is MCs best friend and we just forgot that too. Its Bullshit thats what it is.
the only bullshit it's what you are spewing. i think you aren't familiar with the
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, but you should don't add any uncesseray element to explain the events. and the game and the story are very early in developement. a story/game without any narrative twist, antagonist and problem are boring story/game. i know your whining come from your little ego hurt because the MC isn't a uber power player without any chance to beign outplayed.
If Ava was never apart of mc the medieval part in mc's mind made no sense and is a massive plot hole.
ava is trapped in MC mind. this is sure. but because she is trapped, this mean she not originally 'come in existance' inside the mc mind. and if you noted in the medieval segment, the MC cannot use his power, but ava can use her.
The reason given when mc was drug and can't use his powers, but Ava can made absolutely no sense. The only way it would make sense is if Ava taking over magically turns mc's body into hers, but it didn't. Others still see mc's body as mc mind controlled or not. And if Ava was that powerful she would never need mc to begin with. Why would she tell mc he is never getting his body back just to give it back instantly.
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The reasons and explainations given by Ava does not make sense given her actions. If you had the key to you cell the entire time, why would you stay in that cell. Ava could of done everyting that mc did but better with less time and effort. We've know she was very powerful on the first day. It just bad writing.
the switch between the "mind" in control of the body must be voluntary, to keep your metaphor, the key of the cell is alwasy outside the cell, and the "mind" outside need to voluntary open the cell door to allow the switch between them.
the game it's very explicit in why ava cannot hold control over MC body. the body itself cannot sustain her without damaging itself for a prologned time.
it's basically what ava said just before allowing the switch back
of course how i didn't i see that coming? and of course everything that goes against your theory is wrong and people who wrote it are also complete morons...
a kindergarten level of argument, at best. you totally disregard the argument and go for a personal attack instead.
and well, i checked myself... and
Bronzescorpion assessment is mostly correct. i found a few reddit thread a few years old where the question about third wall is posted and in no one there is any reply about the third, only people explaining the fourth wall. this validate the neologism aspect.
btw there are countless explanations of 'third wall' theory, i only posted two because i was trying to avoid spamming...
if there are "
countless" explanation, mean in fact there are "
none". for example breking the fourth wall had only one explanation, when actors interact directly with the audience. you can make "
countless" examples. but explanation? only one. {any other is just a rephrasing of it}
just because a term is not "widely" accepted doesn't meant its not true/correct and there are whole lot of differences about many things, people just keep arguing about pointless stuff
if a term isn't "
widely accepted" mean you cannot take for granted your interlocutor is in the "group of people accepting and in agreement what that term mean" you belong.
take this discussion as an example. also there can't be a forth wall without third wall...
lol, i hardly can think a more dumb take about the question. a box (like a teather stage volume where actors play) had four wall, a floor and a ceiling. but only three are physical, the fourth is the space separating actors and audience. it's theater 101.
Dude i am not and Ava is "indirectly" addressing the audience and that's exactly what i said and just fyi it would be breaking forth wall if she was addressing the audience directly.
no. ava is directly talking to the MC mind, and you can actually read about what he think. another angle is why ava should reveal her plan to the MC if she need to scrub the memory after? the answer is "power player", the same MC have done to scarlett, a little sadistic exercise.
if you think in that moment ava is talking to the audience mean you don't actually know when a four wall is broken.
