Ren'Py Shattered Minds [v0.16] [eXtasy Games]

[Thatheras]

The community voted for Bill to become "a biological normal woman" which isn't really something that you can do with an operation. There has to be some superpower involved imo.

And here, you show a great example of why players should not influence a game they invest money in. By expecting these things, a developer who does not love his project will only drop absurd ideas that, as you debate, leave a world that could be incredible, in a kind of vomit of unconnected games. We assume that the hero's power is MIND CONTROL, as it is self-defining, I am not going to explain what that power specifically consists of, but just in case, deciding on the internal biology beyond the brain... I assure you NO.

And when people vote for things that destroy immersion, a potentially great game will end up being a mediocre game. And we have thousands of examples on this page. Which in a very high percentage end up abandoned because the dev wants to please everyone, and that is physically and statistically impossible.

When you put a vote, you can see the percentage of people who will be dissatisfied. And when you make 10 votes... You don't have to be a scientist to realize it.


So for my part I will leave this game in the "we'll see what happens in a year" drawer.

I hope that those of you who enjoy it, continue doing it and it doesn't remain a "I want to but I can't" thing left aside by the developer.

 

[Fulminato]

Admittedly, we find ourselves in an interesting time in which a lot of information is falling on open ears and certain things are difficult to distinguish.

But yes, They could have taken the trouble to do they own research

the main caveat for "modern" ia is... they make "belivable things" in a lot of contenst just "belivable" is enough (a image, a story), but if you need a "totally true" statment, you are out of your luck.

 

[Bronzescorpion]

Sure but I'm not using GPT for something as serious as this.

Still kind of stupid to ask it anyway even if it isn't anything serious. You can't reliably trust what it says, so what is the point of doing it.

Besides, it doesn't matter if what it says is true, that operation would still make Bill a trans and not a normal biological women, so not what people voted.

I agree with you that it at least demands some explanation in universe how the MC would be able to do it when his powers at the moment is mind control and it also opens up some different issues, like couldn't you change Kobe as well?

There is some easy way out though, where the MC doesn't even need to control one that has a body change power. Imagine if someone actually had that power, they could probably earn a pretty penny changing all the people that wants a change, similar to the people that does the operations in real life. Since Bill already wants the change because of the mind manipulation, he would just appear as a potential customer to that person, there is no reason for the MC to use his powers in this scenario.

Even if it is not legal to do things like that in universe, the MC has already bought personality affecting lotion on the dark web, it wouldn't be a far reach to have him find someone that could make the change, heck Bill would probably find that person himself.

 

[Bronzescorpion]

And here, you show a great example of why players should not influence a game they invest money in. By expecting these things, a developer who does not love his project will only drop absurd ideas that, as you debate, leave a world that could be incredible, in a kind of vomit of unconnected games. We assume that the hero's power is MIND CONTROL, as it is self-defining, I am not going to explain what that power specifically consists of, but just in case, deciding on the internal biology beyond the brain... I assure you NO.

And when people vote for things that destroy immersion, a potentially great game will end up being a mediocre game. And we have thousands of examples on this page. Which in a very high percentage end up abandoned because the dev wants to please everyone, and that is physically and statistically impossible.

When you put a vote, you can see the percentage of people who will be dissatisfied. And when you make 10 votes... You don't have to be a scientist to realize it.


So for my part I will leave this game in the "we'll see what happens in a year" drawer.

I hope that those of you who enjoy it, continue doing it and it doesn't remain a "I want to but I can't" thing left aside by the developer.

Bit of an overreaction IMO. I agree that it is bad if the developer tries to please everyone, because you likely end up pleasing no one. Therefore they should have a final say and the creative decision, but that doesn't mean you can't have inputs from the fans. I have already given multiple inputs that the dev has chosen to implement, such as having an option to randomize the wake up service between Chloe and Sofia.

To address your issue keep in mind that you have absolutely no idea at the moment whether it is the MC that changes Bill or another person. The story could very well be made, so they are searching for a way to change him and find out a way to do it completely and not just a sex operation. That would be perfectly in line with the established universe and wouldn't change the MC's power.

Secondly, this part will be optional as you can choose just to make Bill forget. I hardly doubt the sex change will be used a lot afterwards, so essentially you can just avoid the problematic part if it ends up being problematic at all.


All in all the interaction with the dev at the moment seem to strike a good balance. They are open for ideas and suggestions, but they also follow their own plan. On discord a suggestion is often answered with a flat out "no" if it isn't part of the plan and won't be part of it.

 

[eXtasy Games]

I'm afraid there's a lot of overthinking going on here.

With the term "a biologically normal woman" I was simply referring to physical appearance. Meaning a female body with breasts and vagina. No penis, no penis and vagina. An "optically normal woman".
I may have chosen the wrong phrasing during the poll.

This will be achieved with modern medicine. Hormone preparations and surgery.
MC's power is mind control and that will not change. As already indicated, his power will be enhanced over the course of the game (mind transfer, for example) but his basic power will always revolve around the mind.

No one else in the world will have the power to "transform" people. This would be a power that is too powerful. And I think no one of us want an antagonist who takes the LI's away from the MC and turns them into guys...

 

[jhonatanw]

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I mentioned what new quests and open world activities will be added to V0.11.
Today, I would like to show you what changes you can expect concerning Quality of Life (QoL).
Power Drinks
The "power drink" is now available as a six-pack in the nilery online store.

The possibility of getting 1x energy back by drinking a "power drink" was always intended as an "emergency measure".
My intention was never to abuse the system so that I would not have to go to sleep any longer.
Therefore, if you consume more than one "power drink" a day, you will face consequences in the game in the form of screen grain.

When you go to sleep, the effect disappears again.
Find Me! app
A favorites tab has been added to the "Find Me!" app.
As Shattererd Minds' number of characters grows, the "Find Me!" app becomes increasingly cluttered.
By adding certain characters to your favorites, you can easily keep track of what interests you right now.

The changes to both the "Power Drink" and the "Find Me" app are based on suggestions and feedback from the community. If you have any other suggestions for improving the game, please let me know.
Either here in the comments or on Discord!
Shattered Minds V0.11 is expected to be released on May 10th for the two highest supporter levels. I will provide more details about the other release dates soon.

 

[Thatheras]

Bit of an overreaction IMO. I agree that it is bad if the developer tries to please everyone, because you likely end up pleasing no one. Therefore they should have a final say and the creative decision, but that doesn't mean you can't have inputs from the fans. I have already given multiple inputs that the dev has chosen to implement, such as having an option to randomize the wake up service between Chloe and Sofia.

To address your issue keep in mind that you have absolutely no idea at the moment whether it is the MC that changes Bill or another person. The story could very well be made, so they are searching for a way to change him and find out a way to do it completely and not just a sex operation. That would be perfectly in line with the established universe and wouldn't change the MC's power.

Secondly, this part will be optional as you can choose just to make Bill forget. I hardly doubt the sex change will be used a lot afterwards, so essentially you can just avoid the problematic part if it ends up being problematic at all.


All in all the interaction with the dev at the moment seem to strike a good balance. They are open for ideas and suggestions, but they also follow their own plan. On discord a suggestion is often answered with a flat out "no" if it isn't part of the plan and won't be part of it.

The problem is that there is no justifiable way for a gender change to be biologically complete. And until now, with all the problem that is generated, no one is known who can alter the body to make it possible to become pregnant. Which, and here is the reason for my reaction, is going to make the plot accelerate and lose all meaning. Introducing a scripted character who is not going to do anything else in the story... It's a bit rushed and not logical.

We return to the same thing, these "games", more than games as such, are "books with choices", if you create a story and constantly alter its plot to please. You ruin the story and it's just a conglomerate of perversions to please whoever pays you. Which creates the problem that the developer loses interest in its story, which ends up being non-existent, complex and disjointed.

Furthermore, I did not think of doing it in a destructive way, but rather in a constructive way. After all, I have my own business, and I know from my own experience that biting off more than you can chew is not healthy, neither for work, nor for income, but as you say, it is optional, so that...

 

[Thatheras]

I'm afraid there's a lot of overthinking going on here.

With the term "a biologically normal woman" I was simply referring to physical appearance. Meaning a female body with breasts and vagina. No penis, no penis and vagina. An "optically normal woman".
I may have chosen the wrong phrasing during the poll.

This will be achieved with modern medicine. Hormone preparations and surgery.
MC's power is mind control and that will not change. As already indicated, his power will be enhanced over the course of the game (mind transfer, for example) but his basic power will always revolve around the mind.

No one else in the world will have the power to "transform" people. This would be a power that is too powerful. And I think no one of us want an antagonist who takes the LI's away from the MC and turns them into guys...

Oh, ok, then it makes a lot more sense. My arguments went in the direction that a "wild card" character would have to be implemented to change or alter the internal biology of the body. Which didn't seem logical to me. Not for the story, not for the development time because of the implications.

 

[affen123]

the idea of turning a friend into a trans woman too brutal

 

[harem.king]

I'm afraid there's a lot of overthinking going on here.

With the term "a biologically normal woman" I was simply referring to physical appearance. Meaning a female body with breasts and vagina. No penis, no penis and vagina. An "optically normal woman".
I may have chosen the wrong phrasing during the poll.

This will be achieved with modern medicine. Hormone preparations and surgery.
MC's power is mind control and that will not change. As already indicated, his power will be enhanced over the course of the game (mind transfer, for example) but his basic power will always revolve around the mind.

No one else in the world will have the power to "transform" people. This would be a power that is too powerful. And I think no one of us want an antagonist who takes the LI's away from the MC and turns them into guys...

why would such a person be an antagonist? the entire world is big enough for more than one person with powers.
also I would expect such a person to try to transform the MC rather than the MC's waifus.
also, such a person would be easily controlled by the MC since "body transformation" does not sound like it comes with any form of mind control immunity.

 

[Moca Doka]

guys im stuck with Adventure minds quest im entering the mirror but the quest wont work please help!

 

[KhaiFirst]

last play rhis game Nov 2023 v07 now v010 wow.. download and can't wait blow load out!

 

[KhaiFirst]

so KOBE.. black guy that mc become servant. at beginning guy bully so mc turn servant, kobe bring girl mc can sex.. sometimes $ is 9$ but better than nothing.. but than what? ? kobe don't bring girl to fuk.. or money.. at least let kobe work bring $ or fuk kobe ass just my 2cent.

 

[KhaiFirst]

the idea of turning a friend into a trans woman too brutal

is called "GAME" not real... just pretend.. oh there Choice!! is game chose! don't let your point dictate other option to chose.

 

[affen123]

is called "GAME" not real... just pretend.. oh there Choice!! is game chose! don't let your point dictate other option to chose.

I am aware that this is a fictional story and that everything here is made up and that this part of the plot is optional.
Nevertheless, you can say that it is brutal when Batman starts thinking about whether it would be better to lobotomize people.
That this idea is brutal.
I don't want to argue or anything here either.

 

[AlienX710786]

Loved the game. Been a while since I've enjoyed a porn game, tbh. Love the sandbox, love the story. Slightly laggy at times tho, at least on android for me. (That might be difficult to diagnose tho, for each device, so understandable). I hope this keeps going. A question, will this have gay/futa content in the future, and if yes, will it be optional? Bcoz personally not a fan hence wanted to be clear.

 

[Moca Doka]

guys im stuck with Ava's Adventure minds quest im entering the mirror but the quest wont start please help!

 

[Carnagie]

Erasing Bill's whole memory of the friendship makes no sense, tbh.

The last couple of weeks with the power, sure, but wiping the whole friendship is a massive red flag when the government have literally already interviewed you as his best friend. You might as well have the MC screaming "I have a mind manipulation power!" at the top of his lungs.

 

[HomicidalHulk]

Personally, I can't wait to wipe Bill's memory and turn him into a girl. *Evil Laugh*

 

[Dereck112]

Erasing Bill's whole memory of the friendship makes no sense, tbh.

The last couple of weeks with the power, sure, but wiping the whole friendship is a massive red flag when the government have literally already interviewed you as his best friend. You might as well have the MC screaming "I have a mind manipulation power!" at the top of his lungs.

Yes, but also make no sense to erase just the past few weeks for the same reason and neither to not erase it at all since is still a threat, I do thought deeply in this 3 posibilites and even if erasing the whole friendship is still a menace, is still the best choice.