Should FMC be classified as Netorare.??

[NdinguSuya]

I got a question y'all.??......I'm not a netorare fan or anything but I was thinking. How can a game with a FMC be classified as Netorare. Because according to my understanding of the tag/genre, the MC's lover is taken away from them and the game focuses on the devastation and betrayal the MC feels, as well as the corruption of the MC's LI. But when the MC is female it's just cheating and corruption...the LI interest isn't being stolen from the MC. My English isn't the best but I hope you get my point

 

[Geigi]

There's several versions of NTR. You can read about which type represents what on vndb. I just know that when male protagonist cheats it isn't tagged as NTR which is dumb. Gender shouldn't matter. Also, NTR tag is overused just like corruption.

 

[Pretentious Goblin]

No? Because not every female-MC is a cheater. Also cheating has its own tag separate from NTR, and rightly so.

 

[woody554]

I got a question y'all.??......I'm not a netorare fan or anything but I was thinking. How can a game with a FMC be classified as Netorare. Because according to my understanding of the tag/genre, the MC's lover is taken away from them and the game focuses on the devastation and betrayal the MC feels, as well as the corruption of the MC's LI.

this part was right, except for the corruption part. corruption is unrelated to ntr.

But when the MC is female it's just cheating and corruption...the LI interest isn't being stolen from the MC. My English isn't the best but I hope you get my point

this part was incorrect. if FMC's boy/girlfriend is being stolen in a way that gives her hurt jealousy, it's ntr.

cheating would be the FMC fucking other people. sharing would be FMC willingly sharing her partner. corruption isn't in any way related to whether it's ntr or not.

 

[Sprungler]

FMC sucks, so who cares

 

[NdinguSuya]

There's several versions of NTR. You can read about which type represents what on vndb. I just know that when male protagonist cheats it isn't tagged as NTR which is dumb. Gender shouldn't matter. Also, NTR tag is overused just like corruption.

But the core element of NTR is that someone's significant other is being stolen. So if you're the FMC and the one being stolen that kinda changes things you know

 

[NdinguSuya]

No? Because not every female-MC is a cheater. Also cheating has its own tag separate from NTR, and rightly so.

I hear you bro but what I'm arguing is that when the FMC is being stolen from her lover, it doesn't really fit the mold of NTR since it's supposed to be her loosing her lover to another woman (or man ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯)

 

[NdinguSuya]

this part was right, except for the corruption part. corruption is unrelated to ntr.

Corruption is a huge part of NTR tho coz that's how the LI gets stolen so I wouldn't say they are completely unrelated

if FMC's boy/girlfriend is being stolen in a way that gives her hurt jealousy, it's ntr.

Exactly, for it to be considered NTR her boyfriend would be the one getting stolen but if the MC is female and is the one getting stolen it can't be NTR right

cheating would be the FMC fucking other people. sharing would be FMC willingly sharing her partner. corruption isn't in any way related to whether it's ntr or not.

But you're proving my point tho, it can't be NTR if the FMC is doing the cheating (consensual/nonconsensual)....and it's Netorase if she willingly shares her partner (kinda NTR I guess)

 

[Pretentious Goblin]

I agree, NTR tag should not be on female-MC cheating games. It should go on cuckquean games, all 1 of them. Actually, that one should have a netorase tag, which still isn't a thing.

 

[MissCougar]

I'm not an expert here but I think this would just be another woman barging in on the FMCs innocent lifestyle as an office lady and stealing her innocent man.

Just like, reverse all the usual genders, right?

 

[n0Yx]

I got a question y'all.??......I'm not a netorare fan or anything but I was thinking. How can a game with a FMC be classified as Netorare. Because according to my understanding of the tag/genre, the MC's lover is taken away from them and the game focuses on the devastation and betrayal the MC feels, as well as the corruption of the MC's LI. But when the MC is female it's just cheating and corruption...the LI interest isn't being stolen from the MC. My English isn't the best but I hope you get my point

The NTR is not about cheating, is about someone losing his/her love interest to another person/s if this happens and is showed in the game but also the love interest must develop a relation ship with another person different to his/her actual couple, then could be of ntr genre.

 

[Count Morado]

But the core element of NTR is that someone's significant other is being stolen. So if you're the FMC and the one being stolen that kinda changes things you know

No.

The core of netorare is that the MAIN CHARACTER's Love Interest (or other similar) is being stolen in order to cause pain for the MAIN CHARACTER.

Hence if the MAIN CHARACTER is FEMALE and she is the one getting it on with others... that is not netorare.

 

[tanstaafl]

My happy little guide for the neto* types in my sig is accurate, if oversimplified, regardless of gender of MC.

 

[NdinguSuya]

No.

The core of netorare is that the MAIN CHARACTER's Love Interest (or other similar) is being stolen in order to cause pain for the MAIN CHARACTER.

Hence if the MAIN CHARACTER is FEMALE and she is the one getting it on with others... that is not netorare.

That's my point tho

 

[Count Morado]

That's my point tho

I'm sorry if I mistook your point.

If you find a game that has a female main character that has no one taking their love interest away, causing them pain, tagged as netorare then the game is wrongly tagged and you should use the report button for the tag to get removed.

Here, why are you asking? This may help us understand. Because it appears we are all in agreement with you.

 

[desmosome]

It's called reverse NTR when female protag gets their partner stolen.

FMC NTR is the same exact story as MMC NTR, and the main character distinction is pretty much arbitrary in Japanese NTR games. In most Japanese NTR games with male protagonist, the main focus is still on the female's perspective via recollection room or just straight up POV shifts. Male MC can literally be just a cursor to view the FMC corruption storyline.

But obviously, you guys are western people that approach this topic from cuckoldry genre and identifying as the protagonist, and the tag definition on this site is limited to that extremely specific subgenre of NTR which coincides with western cuckoldry, so whatever. The game could be called Netorare Knightess Flora or something, and you guys would argue that it's a female protagonist and therefore cannot be NTR.

 

[Count Morado]

identifying as the protagonist

Has nothing to do with identifying as the protagonist. I never identify as the protagonist. I can understand cultural differences, however.

The idea that it is reverse netorare simply because the main character is female is a more of an identity label than what you are calling the western concept, because it appears that some people cannot accept stories with a female protagonist and labeling it from that protagonist's perspective because of their gender/sex.

I do also understand the conflating of cuckoldry and netorare, but that is because consumers made that conflation and as such sites seem obligated to align with consumers misconceptions rather than being more accurate.

 

[desmosome]

The idea that it is reverse netorare simply because the main character is female is a more of an identity label than what you are calling the western concept, because it appears that some people cannot accept stories with a female protagonist and labeling it from that protagonist's perspective because of their gender/sex.

Netorare is a story arc fetish that depicts the corruption and fall of a woman to the point where it destroys the original bond/relationship she had. That's the vast majority of netorare stories, and the default one the audience assumes when looking at the netorare tag.

This entire topic is an exercise in trying to ignore the generally accepted idea of the fetish (a Japanese one at that) to try and streamline the cataloging rules. That's fine and all, but it will obviously lead to confusion or disagreements due to it not aligning with what people are used to.

Using netorare as a literal replacement for cuckoldry by people that don't even understand the fetish is what's the problem. And it never fails to make me laugh when people insist that Japanese people don't know what they are talking about when they put NTR in the title of a female protag game. Right, you surely know more about this Japanese fetish than those Japanese developers.

 

[Count Morado]

Netorare is a story arc fetish that depicts the corruption and fall of a woman to the point where it destroys the original bond/relationship she had. That's the vast majority of netorare stories, and the default one the audience assumes when looking at the netorare tag.

This entire topic is an exercise in trying to ignore the generally accepted idea of the fetish (a Japanese one at that) to try and streamline the cataloging rules. That's fine and all, but it will obviously lead to confusion or disagreements due to it not aligning with what people are used to.

Using netorare as a literal replacement for cuckoldry by people that don't even understand the fetish is what's the problem. And it never fails to make me laugh when people insist that Japanese people don't know what they are talking about when they put NTR in the title of a female protag game. Right, you surely know more about this Japanese fetish than those Japanese developers.

I didn't argue that the Japanese fetish as it is understood currently is from the male perspective. What I said was that the problem is that some people (read: some Japanese men) are unable to accept the female main character as the perspective of the story and so they identify themselves with a male subordinate character, and thus, label it from a male subordinate character's perspective. This is done rather than from the main character's perspective simply because the MC is female, whereas in nearly all other cases labeling is done from the male MC's perspective. That is problematic and shows that some people have issues with giving even fictional female characters control of their own stories.

I also didn't argue that cuckoldry and netorare are synonymous and should be interchangeable and that some Japanese men have no clue what they mean by netorare vs. cuckoldry. What I said was that yes there are consumers who have conflated the two to the point that sites have listed them as the same thing.

We could also talk about how people confuse netorare with netorase with netori. But that isn't the topic at hand.

Please make sure you understand my argument before you attempt to contradict it.

Now, please point to me the definitive statement that netorare should only be from the male perspective, even if the main character is female. Because I have never found it written as that to be the case. I have always seen it as sex-neutral. So, to help me better understand, please share that with me.

 

[Geigi]

I didn't argue that the Japanese fetish as it is understood currently is from the male perspective. What I said was that the problem is that some people (read: some Japanese men) are unable to accept the female main character as the perspective of the story and so they identify themselves with a male subordinate character, and thus, label it from a male subordinate character's perspective. This is done rather than from the main character's perspective simply because the MC is female, whereas in nearly all other cases labeling is done from the male MC's perspective. That is problematic and shows that some people have issues with giving even fictional female characters control of their own stories.

I also didn't argue that cuckoldry and netorare are synonymous and should be interchangeable and that some Japanese men have no clue what they mean by netorare vs. cuckoldry. What I said was that yes there are consumers who have conflated the two to the point that sites have listed them as the same thing.

We could also talk about how people confuse netorare with netorase with netori. But that isn't the topic at hand.

Please make sure you understand my argument before you attempt to contradict it.

Now, please point to me the definitive statement that netorare should only be from the male perspective, even if the main character is female. Because I have never found it written as that to be the case. I have always seen it as sex-neutral. So, to help me better understand, please share that with me.

NTR can be either focus on emotions which is losing a loved one due to romance hence why a FMC falls in love with another male character or it's a focus on sexual relationship between a FMC and a male character(cheating). Earlier Japanese games had the former, the latter is more present in Western games. Idk why so many can't comprehend that emotions are involved because all I read comments in NTR games that it's cheating because of a bigger dick. Like I said gender doesn't matter, corruption have nothing to do with NTR and cuckold is a different thing. I'll never understand what's the appeal in playing as a male protagonist watching his girlfriend/wife taken by another man.