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Where do people create those +18 IA images?
Civitai is definitely the place to start. It's THE open source hub of all things ai image/video generation. All online image/video generators (as far as I know) are sourcing their Loras (or whatever you wanna call them) from Civitai. You do have to sign up with an email to even see 18+ images but pretty much all online generators are going to make you sign up to generate images anyway. When browsing the page of a model in Civitai there's often a link to a different image generation website, so if you don't like generating on Civitai or just want to generate on multiple websites so you can generate more images per day without having to pay for it, browsing models for links is probably your best bet.
 

Eye-switcher

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The game is full of bugs and completely broken, getting stuck in infinite battle after all enemies are dead, getting completely broken after loading a save, loosing selectable characters in battle... Needs a lot of bug fixing b4 its playable.
Shit sorry to hear that, I got my hopes up for this to be a fun game. I mean game , game. Thanks for the warning though
 

Abagofbabies

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You are also not giving a dev a chance to do it. Your sole argument is "we can't tell if optional even helps, so don't even try" isn't helpful because you can say the opposite as well, you can't really prove it doesn't either. The question should be, can the game be successful with it? The other games proved it can. I am someone who loves it when a game has both as options, as it can satisfy both my romantic side and my fetish side, you seem to think people like me are much smaller and there is a war going on between only doing vanilla or only doing NTR, that's just not true. Most people I think actually just easily avoid doing content they don't like. The games given to you prove this, yet you are ignoring them with "what ifs" that can never be proven. In fact, I would say you are at a disadvantage here because people I've come across that like NTR usually also like the vanilla routes too, thus will still support projects if the content is mostly vanilla with slight optional NTR stuff, but that doesn't go the other way around, the dev even said it himself how a lot of people already on his patreon liked the bad end scenes.
You're assuming A lot of things that I've never even stated, I never said the game wouldn't be successful, as A matter of fact I literally said just because those games are successful doesn't mean that they were because of optional NTR and the same applies here, I also said that we have no way of knowing how successful they could've been without it which is A objective fact, I never said they would be better or worse just that we had no way of knowing, this game might become successful and it might not, but I have very little doubt that optional NTR is going to be the sole factor either way. I also never said there was A war going on, I don't even know where you got that from my statement and it's literally A fact that someone who likes both NTR/Harem is A minority of people and you yourself already stated as such because the prerequisite is you have to like NTR to begin with which already cuts A large many people out to begin with. Now about people liking avoidable content, I'll agree to an extent that having potentially controversial content be avoidable is A good thing, the problem as I've already stated previously is that eventually if the NTR or really any extreme content that people are divisive on keeps adding up then eventually people are going to start skipping more content then there playing, now does that mean this dev is going to go down that route I have no idea, but as you already stated A lot of his subscribers apparently really liked it which means there's A high chance that yes it probably will go down that route unless the dev is extremely firm in his stance which we'll only know with time. Lastly I simply gave my own view on the fact I won't personally support A dev who does optional NTR because of how many developer there are that do make games that I like 100% of the content of and people myself included obviously only have so much money to use to support devs are going to be more scrutinizing on who are money goes too and I've been on this sight long enough to not give any devs the benefit of the doubt that this minor NTR scenes won't eventually increase to much more which is why I've drawn my own line in the sand. Now that is my personal view and I assume everyone has there own on how they decide who to support.

To sum things up the only people who like Harem/NTR are people who like NTR and it has nothing to do with some "war" it's simple, people who like Harem/Vanilla and hate NTR aren't going to suddenly like it because it's optional they're simply going to either not touch this game ever or are going to constantly be asking, what's avoidable, how much NTR vs vanilla content is there etc. I never said this game won't be successful because of optional NTR just that you'll likely be cultivating A diametrically opposed audience that will eventually be leaning in one direction more than the other because that always happens.
 

Mike145

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This is probably the only Renpy game which I gave up on because of bugs. I didnt even manage to leave the mines.

The worst thing about that is for some reason you save way too much into the persistent file. At least that's my hypothesis for why all my saves are broken when I encounter any bug, each time you have to start from the beginning.

First time it happened cause I wanted to load a save I made at the beginning of a battle.
Then I somehow managed to clear the path out of mines but wanted to do the optional quest with the red hair girl, turned out it was a mistake. I was stuck at the battle cause the enemy was immortal when it reached very low hp.
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Guess what. All the saves are broken now and you have to start from the beginning.

Here are some more of my thoughts that I had while trying to play this game, it's pretty limited tho cause I wasn't even able to leave the mines :KEK:

  • Thoughts and spoken dialogue should appear in separate dialogue boxes.
  • Character sprite of the blond elf girl was once completely in a different style.
  • Actions in combat should include descriptions. (Man how tf am I supposed to know what all of these actions do?)
  • The game crashes when loading a save during combat.
  • The crash somehow corrupted all my saves. Like I mentioned before. I had to start a new game. (Persistent file issue?)
  • There should be an indicator showing which character is currently selected.
  • Combat feels very unresponsive. (cmon just adding a simple pointer cursor when you hover over a thing that is interactive is so simple to do but even just that would help a lot)
  • I have no idea which stat to choose after leveling up, the game doesn't explain what any of them do and how the scaling works.


    I'm taking back the thing about the immortal troll, just read that you need an item to kill it. Hope it's explained somewhere in the game, cause I have to admit, for my second attempt I did a lot of dialogue skipping.
 
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Pointless, one-button, bugged combat. Just to take more time from the player.
I definitely enjoyed this combat mechanic inspired by popular CRPG games, gosh.
 

Serie

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Hello Adventurers!

The public version of Sinfall 0.2.3 has been released. This includes the following fixes:

v0.2.3p – April 29, 2025
  • Fixed an issue where saving > closing the game > loading will cause the party to disappear
  • Party member variables now correctly reset upon new game
  • Combat state should now resolve properly which was caused by a redundant safeguard
  • Performance improvements

Thank you so much to everyone who reported the bugs! As usual, please post any issues in this thread, or better yet, in the Discord server.
 

sevendustkorn1008

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Just because A game was successful doesn't mean it was improved because of optional NTR since there's no way of knowing if it would have made more money by sticking to one or the other. Now what I can say is that personally I will never give money in support of any game that has optional NTR, since if I'm going to support A project I'd rather support one where I enjoy 100% of the content in it, not 75%, 50% etc. There's A much smaller amount of people who enjoy both NTR and Vanilla/Harem rather than one or the other, because of that you're always going to satisfy one side more than the other and your audience will eventually lean heavily to one side, with the other side eventually growing more dissatisfied. You're always better off just sticking to one side since since that means your entire audience will more or less be on the same page, meaning you can focus on making the content your audience actually likes instead of splitting your time developing opposing fetishes for completely different audiences.
Exactly, we can't say if the games would be more or less successful if it only focused on one genre. But what we can say definitively is that they are successful as is. And that's all that matters. Anything else beyond that is pure speculation. Like this next statement is speculation. What matters isn't whether a game has both an NTR and a harem/vanilla path, or if it just focuses on one path. What actually matters is if the developer is making a game they're passionate about. If a dev loves the game they're making, the quality is going to naturally be greater than if they decide to cater to one or two demographics just so they can potentially earn more money. I've seen games try to cater/shift gears mid-development because of demand from Patrons. They are rarely successful. The ones that succeed are the ones that have a gameplan and stick to it. And if the gameplan is they want to open up suggestions to Patrons, that's also valid. It's only when they have a specific gameplan, but because of outrage or demand, they decide to do something they don't enjoy.
 

warbandit18

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Guys the enemy is a troll. It dies with the torch cause it is fire damage (troll lore is that fire is a big weakness for them). So you need to use the torch on him when hes 1 hp. The save breaking the game tho is indeed what needs to be fixed. the characters are just gone and you can't select them anymore after chapter 2 starts.

EDIT: Used the new public version and the save > close the game > party gone bug is still there.
 
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FatYoda

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so i made a save before the operatives, beat them and saved to end current content, but then i load the old save to fight them again and lose for the NTR and the characters aren't there in the fight. On the left where you're supposed to select their icon to attack nothing is there. if i skip turn i take no damage. wtf is going on?
 

zarqupang

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Nov 2, 2017
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i don't like ntr but if it's the mc doing it then ok. i kwon just a game i should not let this get to me but my dick is not in to having my girls stolen from me lol
 

geebster

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Is there Female Domination (on the MC) in this? I see it in the tags but in the tag list it says Male Domination. Asking because these are often confused in tags and I would massively prefer femdom XD.
 
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