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Whoa I do not agree sex with Beth is meaningless. And I do look forward to every scene with her.
Am I in the minority? Yes.
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Am I in the minority? Yes.
- May 9, 2019
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Emm there is not connection between what I said and your claim. My claim is that if Dev wanted to simply milk his supporters, making a slow burn is the hard way to go. Just make MC fuck everything that moves and be happy about as so many other terrible games do. Or include a few lolis or "forbidden" kinks and you are good to go.
And get several time the support this one does. And sorry to tell you but I could go on like this without sex with any of the main girls even a few years, provided that there is character development.
BEST scene of this update was not Becca's two hot scenes. it was Lilith's. From she showing up up the front to she falling asleep in MC's legs..
- Aug 22, 2018
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You highlighted the main problem I have with this game although this update did give me another massive issue that almost made me throw my monitor through my window.
Firstly, yes, character growth.
Lilith was amazing, totally agree, she's been a great character from the start and watching her slowly grow has been really well done. That I 100% agree with. Becca we knew was going to be first to start the sexual stuff, that's been on the cards since she first appeared and made it known what she wanted, that was a good scene but not really unexpected.
Now to my issue....
The girls are all doing great, Lilith more than the rest. It's a really fun read watching those interact with each other, 4 now including shop girl, and watching them grow together.
Sadly the growth kinda stalls with them. The main character, the one we're stuck reading the inner monologue of, is so far behind as a character to the rest of the cast he may as well still be in 0.1, he has barely grown at all.
I got so sick of his lack of progress, complete ignorance to everything around him and going as far as to lying to his own mind while he's dreaming ... it's frustrating.
I'm not even talking sex, I don't care if sex doesn't happen for another 50 updates I just got so sick of him making every conversation awkward as fuck.
The main character is supposed to push a game forward, carry it on their back but those 4 girls are the ones keeping this going. He's holding it back every time he says something.
Hopefully that alters somewhat now but it went on far too long. 11 updates in and he's had zero character growth.
Now onto my main issue and one that almost ruined the entire game for me.....
How, in the mile high flying fuck, can they eat fried eggs without bread to dip in the yolk?
It's just wrong on so many levels Dante's Inferno would be jealous.
- Mar 25, 2018
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The lack of toast with those sunny-side-up eggs bothered me, as well. What were they going to do, slurp the yolk? Throw it out?
Either is unacceptable.
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Idk. I'm kind of like the mc that I need to be hit over the head to realize a woman in interested in me. I can't even imagine if it was ladies that I helped raise, it would be as fast as a wounded snail.
With this update things have picked up on his acceptance I think. I believe it will be faster paced from here.
As for needing bread for dipping into yolks? Huh. In Oklahoma bread is used to wipe the plate clean after everything else devoured not for dipping. That's a might too fancy for us folks
- Aug 22, 2018
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I totally get the needing to be hit over the head thing and that's fine, it's more a case of how often he was hit, how hard and the complete denial of everything.
It was just too much for too long.
He was told several times per update, denied it several times per update and inner monologued it several times per update.
I got bored of hearing his inner dilemma after 3 updates, we're now on 11 and he's barely budged.
Like I said, i'm not expecting sex but I was expecting him to stop looking like a complete halfwit several updates ago or for the dev to focus on another part of the story that wasn't yet another repetition of him denying everything.
The reason it started to annoy people is because it was focused on far too much. It didn't need to happen every update or more than once per update. It only needed mentioning once every now and then not once every 10 lines.
I hate skipping story but when that story is just him repeating himself for the n'th times that update i'm not missing anything and I shouldn't feel rewarded for skipping story.
It was just too much and it was constant.
I don;t expect them to start fucking like rabbits and the dev can keep him in denial forever just stop having him bring it up, it's the same lines every time and 11 updates of repetition isn't enjoyable.
On the reverse side of the coin the girls are amazing characters.
How the dev can go from fantastic scenes like Lilith has to "oh no, that can never happen" being put on repeat. I know he can write and I know he can do it well. There is no excuse for so much line repetition and lack of growth.
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I don't like this feeling that the protagonist is just a pawn on Becca's chess board ... This feeling of not having control over situations and history in the protagonist's hand.
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Is that really to much to ask? Lol
And do you, like, have a folder named "Porn Game Breakfast Screenshots"? Because it's a little weird you just fired that off. Awesome, but weird.
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You are not alone by any means. I too hope it speeds up now, but because of said great characters and my love of Beth I have been fine waiting for him to get to this point.
Now that said if it doesn't move on and forward with very little self denial then I will be really disappointed.
To me this update felt like the turning point I hoped for. I hope from here on out the inner war will diminish and Becca's plan will move ahead without the mc fighting it but being on board.
- May 9, 2019
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I don't know Ava. But I think, if anything, MC showed small growth in this update, maybe for the first time. He is now trusting Becca. He is accepting he wants the girls. He is acknowledging they might want him: he knows Becca does, he has positive doubt about Aby and he started believing Lilith might too.
I do get your point, compared to the girls, MC growth was equivalent to a chapter 3 not 11. But in this update he showed some small growth for the first time. Up to the point he even at some point mentions explicitly he wants Becca.
Thing is, one way or another, this is a pure love story: getting the girl is all there is. So if MC would be all in, Becca and Abi would already be with him. Lilith would follow soon. If you asked me, I would have moved MC further down the line, but would have started exploring potential drama and conflict beyond simply MC getting with his daughters way sooner. What is not the issue here, but something that could fill the void. So far MC is going straight line to a "live happily ever after". That is and will always be the end of a story.
Now, my recommendation would have further explored MC getting a GF that is not one of the girls and their reaction to their new stepmother, for example. True, we could have simply make MC discover he has super powers and turn the story totally different, so I am simply suggesting something along the lines of the current story. You gotta admit, though, Becca would make for a great (not really) evil (but super cute) mastermind villain!!
Go back to why Lilith's scene was the best. It was not just growth on her character but a pure chaos of emotions exploding all over. Her anger and sadness felt real. Probably, one of the best scene made and extremely well written. You could feel what she feels. I totally love Becca, but her "all is according to plan" is not believable at all in comparison. She was only missing the cat in that scene. Although at least there was some pussycat there, very bad pun intended.
I do like that he is a father first, a "daddy" second. And, to be fair, I don't play this novel with the idea of being mind blown. This is for me a simple cute story. It is as "trouble free" as i can tolerate when I simply want to read something nice and cute under the bedsheets to warm my heart after a long day. Nothing more nothing less.
Oh.. the thing about the eggs and bread.. Totally agree with you, though. That was bad writing. No other way to justify that.
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Bit of a coincidence, but shortly after reading your post, I got to that screen in that game. Now I need to get something to eat.
- Aug 22, 2018
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Absolutely agree with you.
This game needed to be a slow burn, it wouldn't have worked any other way.
I just thought the inner monologue stuff came up a bit too often.
That said, it wouldn't be anywhere near as good if it had moved faster. Lilith's scene wouldn't have had the same impact several updates ago and that entire scene was really well done, nothing but praise for the dev about that.
The MC and Becca, as a couple without the plan stuff, work really well together.
I hope he grows a bit more from now because between Lilith's scene and the bits with Becca he needs to start accepting what is happening or he risks pushing Lilith away and that would be heartbreaking for her at this point.
Abby is going to do what Abby does. She's just as manipulative as Becca but a bit more on the sly side. She's getting him where she wants him and it's barely registered with him.
I'm not the biggest fan of harems, as i've made clear more than enough times, but this game would not work without all 3 of those girls. Even with the inclusion of shop girl (sorry, I forgot her name) it still works.
I don;t usually like harems but this wouldn't work any other way and it does seem to work.
- Mar 25, 2018
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Reading your post, and I it just clicked to the me that I'm fine with the inner monologuing itself...but the *content* of the monologuing should have shifted more.
From "I don't want that (lie)" to "ok maybe I want that, but they don't (uncertainty)" to "ok, I think I want that and I'm starting to think that they really want it, too...but what would happen if (consequences)".
And we do actually see this shift, but we also see too much backsliding into thoughts he should have already moved beyond.
There can still be doubt, but the nature of the doubt needs to change with the facts as MC sees them.
Perhaps a bit tangential, but a lot of the "alpha" myth comes from the book The Wolf: Ecology and Behavior of an Endangered Species by L. David Mech, which was partly based on research by Rudy Schenkel. Since publication, Mech has spent much of the rest of his life trying to get that book unpublished, because what he and Schenkel didn't realise is that wolves behave differently in captivity.
Relating this back to our MC, Frank is free! Unlike the abusive Ralph Kramden or Fred Flintsone, Frank is self-employed, has no oppressive boss breathing down his neck, and so feels no need to dominate those around him who are less powerful. Quite the opposite - his prime motivation is to nurture and support "his girls". Even in his work, Frank is more focused on making sure that Vanessa and Elizabeth get a great apartment than on his commission - though at the beginning of the story, he really needs the money.
The world needs more Frank Shavells, and more Rebeccas, and Elizabeths to blow their minds and dicks.
Relating this back to our MC, Frank is free! Unlike the abusive Ralph Kramden or Fred Flintsone, Frank is self-employed, has no oppressive boss breathing down his neck, and so feels no need to dominate those around him who are less powerful. Quite the opposite - his prime motivation is to nurture and support "his girls". Even in his work, Frank is more focused on making sure that Vanessa and Elizabeth get a great apartment than on his commission - though at the beginning of the story, he really needs the money.
The world needs more Frank Shavells, and more Rebeccas, and Elizabeths to blow their minds and dicks.
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that would be good writing, this game doesn't have a lot of inner monologues, or better yet it does but it isn't walls of text, the problem with it is exactly what Avaron and you mentioned the fact it doesn't really evolve and now it might but it has been way too long, a good inner monologue lets you understand a character personality and how they perceive themselves and the world but if you just repeat the same thing over and over it only detracts value from said character.
- Sep 26, 2019
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Well written, I like your spin and I love Beth.
I do agree with all that to a point. Like I stated in a previous I hope this update was a turning point. The watershed moment when that war Is waning and now the mc shall join Becca in the battle of love, naughtiness and finally hot livid lewdness. The battle won't be over night but it should at least start in earnest
The way the MC acts saying crossing a line and they are my girls it's wrong etc all the time is the only bad part of this game. He's not even related to any of them, none of the incest fans get off on this for that reason.("it's almost incest omg!!!! this is my jam" yeah i think not) It's really annoying to read those dialogues when he starts saying that stuff. Everything else about the game I have no issues with though. I enjoy it a lot.
Rebecca needs to break his mind already. She's creating a Harem and I'm on board.
"resist the urge to cut your hair." haha that's actually very good advice.
Rebecca needs to break his mind already. She's creating a Harem and I'm on board.
"resist the urge to cut your hair." haha that's actually very good advice.
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Thanks. I agree that the main watershed(s) seem to have passed. For me, and apparently many others, when the livid lewdness eventuates, it'll be all the more satisfying after getting to know and love these characters. I appreciate that, for others, getting to know the MC actually detracts from enjoying the story and fair enough. It would be a boring world if we didn't differ.
Just a quick note on the "back-sliding" interior monologue: while it can be frustrating, it does reflect real life. How often do we say to ourselves: "Well enough of that - I'm not going to obsess about **** any more," only to find ourselves back-sliding into obsession in the next heartbeat?