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VN Ren'Py Single Again [v1.24.2] [Clever name games]

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ImperialD

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Jstforme said:
You people going on about how people aren't nice, and say mean things about Devs :cry:. How could you expect to take a dive into the porn industry, and expect everyone to be supporting with gifts of flowers and red carpets?
I realize an entire generation of (insert your word, I have plenty that would apply) are out and about as adults now, but the kid gloves have to come off at some point right?
The problem I see is, the VAST majority of dev's don't listen to anything unless it's from a fanboys/yes men. The opposing ideas, or things to think about adding, just get ignored.
I saw potential in this title way back, but the story stayed focused on a MC with morals so high in the clouds, a catholic priest would blush if asked if they could do the same.
At any rate, I'm glad the game is a success, it's just not my cup of tea...just remember people...sticks and stones.
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look i'm not here to criticize what you have to say .... and it seems to me your forgetting a major thing .. its not your game .... so what you , me or anyone else has to say about it ... just gives the devs .. some outlook on how we feel about their games .... we have no say really seeing how its their stories to tell and do it as they see fit .... now people can say my outlook is kissing their asses .. well its not its just the truth .... so if people wanna bitch they can .... just makes them seem rather childish .... not saying anyone is .. just seems that way to alot of others ......:unsure:
 
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Jstforme said:
You people going on about how people aren't nice, and say mean things about Devs :cry:. How could you expect to take a dive into the porn industry, and expect everyone to be supporting with gifts of flowers and red carpets?
I realize an entire generation of (insert your word, I have plenty that would apply) are out and about as adults now, but the kid gloves have to come off at some point right?
The problem I see is, the VAST majority of dev's don't listen to anything unless it's from fanboys/yes men. The opposing ideas, or things to think about adding, just get ignored.
I saw potential in this title way back, but the story stayed focused on a MC with morals so high in the clouds, a catholic priest would blush if asked if they could do the same.
At any rate, I'm glad the game is a success, it's just not my cup of tea...just remember people...sticks and stones.
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You talk about taking the kid gloves off when your entire post comes across as a whine that the dev ignored your terrible sounding idea.

Here's the thing, these devs make what they enjoy making. Those "yes men" are the games player base and yes, devs listen to them because they enjoy the same thing the dev does and that's who they are catering to. They ignore opposing ideas because that's not what they are interested in and not the playerbase they are catering to.

Most of these games already have the story and characters defined before they start making it and that's what they stick with, asking for the opposite is rarely ever going work.

If you want a dev to listen to your ideas, you need to playing games that match what you are interested in.

All that is common sense.
 
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ImperialD said:
look i'm not here to criticize what you have to say .... and it seems to me your forgetting a major thing .. its not your game .... so what you , me or anyone else has to say about it ... just gives the devs .. some outlook on how we feel about their games .... we have no say really seeing how its their stories to tell and do it as they see fit .... now people can say my outlook is kissing their asses .. well its not its just the truth .... so if people wanna bitch they can .... just makes them seem rather childish .... not saying anyone is .. just seems that way to alot of others ......:unsure:
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I work with artists a lot - and the biggest issue for them usually is a lack of feedback. Friends and family all swoon and say nice things about the most awful work you can ever imagine because who wants to piss off your friend/relative? Then they get out into the real world with expectations high and arrive in front of a live audience who at best will just walk on by and ignore mediocre or bad work, or they get the shock of their lives when someone turns around and says that yes, that thing you've just spent days/weeks/months working on has so little appeal that it is utterly worthless. Of course usually it is put in more delicate terms, this is not for us, not right for me, not what I am looking for, but the truth is that art needs patrons and patrons need to be directive in what they want.

The artist that can create true art in isolation is extremely rare, most artists are edited - and editing means making hard choices about what is appealing/commercial/of appeal. The worst possible thing for an artist is to receive no criticism at all. The next worst is to receive criticism but take it to heart and lose interest. Art is subjective. What you like I might hate. The artist (and Editor/patron) need to decide what is more important - the vision of the art and its current appeal, or a different angle with different appeal. All are choices and get to be expressed through discussion, both polite and harsh.
 
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rostabu

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I am so disappointed, I expected another great addition to one of my favorite stories (I had to start over because updated computer and had to go through all 108 or so decisions again) only to find I waited on a format change.
 
quorkboy

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I think anyone who says devs should just learn to take the negative attacks might want to imagine how they would feel if those attacks were directed at them.

It's true, this is never going to be a purely sunshine and rainbows community, and would we even want that? Constructive criticism, when deserved and delivered in an appropriate manner, allows a creator to improve, and should be something they want. There's also nothing wrong with not liking something and saying so. It's all in the manner that this is delivered.

Whether the mods should step in is a difficult question. It will arouse (false) cries of censorship. More than that, it means the mods now have to make value judgements on what constitutes constructive criticism. What the rest of the community can do is limited. Some (pessimistically, I say few) people you'll be able to reason with, many others will turn their attacks in your direction (I have experienced this myself.)

Experience has shown me that when you're dealing with an a community moderated internet community such as this, it's rare, if ever, that such attempts create widespread change.

There are "yes men," (who for the most part aren't "yes men" but people who don't have any significant complaints - a very different thing - this is not the same as friends and family who don't wish to hurt someone's feelings,) there are people who offer constructive criticism, and there are people who only know how to be nasty with their criticism. The first two are fine. Disliking the last does not make someone weak, a snowflake, or whatever sad, lame little insult people want to throw out.

I will offer constructive criticism when I think it is fair.

I've made suggestions to devs. Some have been considered and rejected because they don't match the dev's vision for their story. Some may have been ignored. I don't get hurt by that. These are their stories to tell.
 
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quorkboy said:
I think anyone who says devs should just learn to take the negative attacks might want to imagine how they would feel if those attacks were directed at them.
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This. I see no link between making a step into porn industry and lack of empathy.
Most of the time it doesn't matter what you say, but how you say it. If you have something negative to say then start with the positive about the things you like. A bit of sugar makes every pill easier to swallow and devs are only human too.

Constructive feedback should be uplifting. As in "I build something up" or maybe even "I am part of the construction crew". Not as in "I am the consumer and you have to fulfill my bidding or you can forget about my money and i will never touch your stuff again". Doesn't take too much to get it.

Question is how people see this forum. As a community or as a platform to download their fapping material. That's where the mods and the community itself could step in.
 
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So, next update will be about main game or a side story? If I remember well, next side story will be about Becca?
 
juan palote

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Criticism is hard to take.

I'm pretty sure the Game of Throne writters didnt like that 80% of the World (made up number) criticized their entire last season, or Lost wrotter didnt like that a big amount of people criticized their ending.

Ultimately, its their product, yes, but if enough people have the same criticism about your work, it might have some basis and ignoring it might not be the best idea.

Some Devs are better than others in taking feedback. About Mods, they already delete a lot of comments that are not worthy of being deleted. They shouldnt be stepping in even more because they can make mistakes too. They should limist to deleting only stuff that directly break the rules (for example, insults and such) and not become beacons of what is right and wrong

Back to this particular game, i was enjoying it very much and dont have much criticism about it, i just hope this bump in the road that is revamping the old content doesnt stop the game from being finished, thats all

And Lilith's side story, i didnt like the premise, i didnt play it, thats it
 
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rostabu

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I don't think there needs to be a side story for becca, she loves MC never found a boy that measures up to MC in more ways than one. There was never conflict needing resolved between them, what would a side story show? her being MC bestie as a girl watcing movies and such then her maturing, her dating and toying with boys while waiting for the man she loves? Its not like lilly where there was conflict and back story needing definition to explain how she got to be his girl, not a case of magic dick... just long term caring being the best he could be for her until she realized he truly cared and wouldn't abandon her like her father.

And for the record becca has always been bestgirl. :)

Abby might be the prize but becca will always be bestgirl, there is always one "caretaker" woman in harems they may add mei and others but becca will always be bestgirl.
 
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ImperialD

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well regardless of what others may think .. i for one enjoy this game ... the only issue i ever had with it .. is the whinny MC ... he tends to tread on a certain subject way to long for my taste ... but i get that the dev wants us to see the MC's conflict ..... enough said by me ... patiently awaiting the next chapter :)
 
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For example, they could show how and when Becca first saw Frank, how she fell in love with him, her relationship with her mother (the only thing seen there so far was in Lilly's nightmare, but in that one Shannon even favored Abby over Lilly), whether Becca was involved in Frank catching Shannon in flagrante delicto, and whether she may have even manipulated the events that led to Lilli catching her then-work colleagues together.

I also agree with what ImperialD says, but Frank has shown - depending on what you chose - that he will now play a more active role in the matter with Lilly and Becca. At least that's how it was for me. The only one where he is still hesitating is Abby. And that's where Abby is more active now, too. A rascal would probably say that she's putting her things in Frank's hands, if I remember correctly.
 
rostabu

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... he tends to tread on a certain subject way to long for my taste ...

Well I'm guessing he lives in ohio, there they have a law that anyone who is "in loco parentis" can never mess with anyone who was in their charge regardless of age if found out they can be set up on charges. This would explain the severe paranoia about messing with any of the three. mei, beth, judges daughter, the office girl all are fair game its just the three whom matter are at issue.

I think the law is a effort of preventing "grooming" programming a woman since she a young girl to be yours after she turns 18.
 
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juan palote

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rostabu said:
I don't think there needs to be a side story for becca, she loves MC never found a boy that measures up to MC in more ways than one. There was never conflict needing resolved between them, what would a side story show? her being MC bestie as a girl watcing movies and such then her maturing, her dating and toying with boys while waiting for the man she loves? Its not like lilly where there was conflict and back story needing definition to explain how she got to be his girl, not a case of magic dick... just long term caring being the best he could be for her until she realized he truly cared and wouldn't abandon her like her father.

And for the record becca has always been bestgirl. :)

Abby might be the prize but becca will always be bestgirl, there is always one "caretaker" woman in harems they may add mei and others but becca will always be bestgirl.
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Becca is also my favourite
 
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