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This is just the start of CH2. Dev is breaking it up into chapters to have reasonably sized executables I'd say
A question on the non-canon options for starting CH2. Does anyone have a list of the changes they cause? I played the canon version and there's a scene with a character who is in their underwear. Then I went back and made some selections for the starting decisions and the same character then appeared nude in that playthrough.
- Feb 24, 2021
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Check the official walkthrough I posted here earlier.
This walkthrough includes both chapter 1 and 2 so far, and at the beginning of chapter 2, the effect of each choice is listed there.
Great to see this story back with a strong start. I know some people don't like the MCs internal monologue but it still makes perfect sense in the narrative for me. He lost the girl of his dreams and doesn't want to risk losing his daughter that reminds him of her mom so much. "He sleeps with her topless" I find American's have an odd relationship with nudity ie nudity = sexual content. They are just breasts. For a lot of people outside the US, nudity is just natural.
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It all goes back to the old days in this country; the 13 colonies, the puritan, all of that stuff. This country has always been backward in that aspect in my opinion. Everything is sexualized here but once you get to the actual sex part, there's a lot of do's and do nots surrounding things. It's a weird kind of hypocritical duality.
But yes, it is a very weird thing here.
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I could have agreed with most of this, until they were in front of the judge for the divorce scene. Maybe she did it out of desperation, maybe it was out of anger, maybe it was just bad advice from a slimy lawyer.....doesn't matter. Ultimately it was her choice whether to do it or not, and she willingly decided to cross that line.
Once a line like that has been crossed, any chance for redemption is gone (at least imo). She can take a long walk off of the highest rooftop in the city for all I care.
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That threw me off too. I get what the dev was trying for, but it wasn't quite right.I don't know if it's just me, but those eyes kind of scared me.
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... which makes some tropes in games strange to me, like all the "perverted family member" stuff. Over here, if you're a family living in a house, you will see each other naked or half naked. It is not intended to and we're not running around topless all day or similar but with one bathroom for four people, or the hurry when everybody is getting ready for some big event, it just happens. So all this "spying on somebody in the shower/somebody changing" always feels silly, I've seen that dozens of times. Granted, in real life there just is no erotic component to it, so it might feel different once you actually fancy mom/sis/daughter.
Heck, a lot of people have saunas here, and you do not wear clothing for sauna over here, either, so when the family uses the sauna you just know how your family looks.
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I would be inclined to agree if it was true that anyone was truly irredeemable. Or that redemption is the only purpose for having a flawed character. Flawed characters are to my mind much more interesting than blameless ones. I imagine a scene where Becca is "consoling" her mom and telling her that she has to fight dirty because she heard that Frank intends to do the same use her adultery to get sympathy from the judge and take everything. "You've got to fight fire with fire, Mom." Telling her the story to tell and insisting that she will be a witness for her. Right before she went to see the judge herself, bullying Lily to come along, and stabbing her mother in the back with the cold knife of treason. An ungrateful child is like a serpent's tooth and all that. If Becca did this, and the entire sorted afternoon was to her design, would we find her irredeemable? Or would we pat her on the head, the delightful little scamp with her five-year plan to displace her mother?
I'm not saying that Becca's more sinister qualities don't make her a more interesting character. In fact, you could say that she is her mother's daughter more and more each day. I hated watching Becca physically abuse Lilith in the elevator. Not to mention all the mental and verbal abuse. In my opinion, that was just as bad or worse than anything that Shannon has done. But nobody is marching around with a "Death to that whore Becca" sign. Sure Shannon is a liar, and her lies were laced with malice. But is that so much worse than Frank, who lied to his entire family for nearly two decades out of cowardice? Shannon still doesn't know that Frank isn't the biological father of Abby. Sure, in his mind he rationalizes this as keeping a promise. I'm sure that Shannon has some kind of similar rationalization. We all have a way of making ourselves the hero of our own story. I would like to hear how she justifies her actions. We certainly hear enough of how Frank justifies his.
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You should go read the rules for "Incest" that this site uses. https://f95zone.to/threads/tags-rules-and-list-updated-2021-05-02.10394/
Here I will place that rule here for you but you may want to go read all the other tag rules.
Incest [Sex act between family relatives, including those not related by blood.]
Incest tag is still listed.
The poster seems to know what incest is.
" 3DCG, Male protagonist, Animated, Corruption, DILF, Groping, Lesbian, Masturbation, Romance, Sex toys, Teasing "
He doesn't have any real children, maybe he will make some.
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He said the tag was removed but its still there.
I to hope MC will make children with all 4 of the girls.
Tags and Genre are 2 different things.
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I think few will dispute that Becca's manipulations are more than amoral.
Regarding Shannon: Becca has witnessed Shannon's parenting style over the years. That Shannon is a very difficult person and her personality is damaging to most around her (at least Lilli and Abby, we know too little about Shannon and Frank's active married life, but it can be assumed that the Jessica-Abby problem started she also took out her frustrations at least passive aggressively on Frank). Shannon has had more than enough opportunities to show herself to be a good mother: For instance, when her first husband left, I think Lilli, being very fixated on her father, would have needed therapy or at least an understanding mother to be there for her. In fact, however, the following scenarios are more likely:
1. she ignored Lilli's problems. Expecting or hoping that she would catch herself. Also, the general stigma of psychotherapy ("What are the neighbors/family friends, etc. going to say about this?") is probably not insignificant.
2. she had her own problems with her husband leaving and may have taken refuge in her work. This might also be one of the points of tension between her and Lilli: "While I didn't let it get me down, you are now in THIS job? Loser."
3. she reacted to it similarly as to the divorce what one saw at the end of Liliths Longing and slept drunk on the couch from time to time.
Then there are Shannon's issues with Abby, which I've addressed here several times. Shannon didn't pass Abby by without a trace either.
If Shannon had tried harder to be a good mother to her youngest daughter and her stepdaughter, then maybe the ball would never have hit the fan. In that sense, if Becca manipulated the reunion between Shannon and Lilli's father, I could see it as a test of whether there was any hope left for Shannon. In that sense, the 5-year plan could have been a contingency plan in the not unlikely event that the marriage fell apart.
As far as Shannon's lies and Frank's secret about Abby's paternity are concerned, I would clearly say that Shannon's lies are definitely more serious: First, Shannon's lies to the judge are criminally relevant, while the mystery about Abby's paternity was more for protection: If Shannon had known about it, it can't be ruled out that she didn't just use it to spill venom against the dead Jessica, and second, Shannon would have felt even more threatened by Abby or the "mini-Jessica", since Abby was very affectionate towards Frank and would have considered her "Frank's new Jessica, right under her nose".
I think Becca's actions are quite morally questionable, but at the same time I think the fact that Shannon is now a character outside of the family picture makes for a circumstance that is best for Abby, Lilli and Frank and their emotional healing. Both Becca and Shannon are sly and manipulative, however, I believe Becca has each other's best interests at heart, which is rather different with her mother.
Regarding Shannon: Becca has witnessed Shannon's parenting style over the years. That Shannon is a very difficult person and her personality is damaging to most around her (at least Lilli and Abby, we know too little about Shannon and Frank's active married life, but it can be assumed that the Jessica-Abby problem started she also took out her frustrations at least passive aggressively on Frank). Shannon has had more than enough opportunities to show herself to be a good mother: For instance, when her first husband left, I think Lilli, being very fixated on her father, would have needed therapy or at least an understanding mother to be there for her. In fact, however, the following scenarios are more likely:
1. she ignored Lilli's problems. Expecting or hoping that she would catch herself. Also, the general stigma of psychotherapy ("What are the neighbors/family friends, etc. going to say about this?") is probably not insignificant.
2. she had her own problems with her husband leaving and may have taken refuge in her work. This might also be one of the points of tension between her and Lilli: "While I didn't let it get me down, you are now in THIS job? Loser."
3. she reacted to it similarly as to the divorce what one saw at the end of Liliths Longing and slept drunk on the couch from time to time.
Then there are Shannon's issues with Abby, which I've addressed here several times. Shannon didn't pass Abby by without a trace either.
If Shannon had tried harder to be a good mother to her youngest daughter and her stepdaughter, then maybe the ball would never have hit the fan. In that sense, if Becca manipulated the reunion between Shannon and Lilli's father, I could see it as a test of whether there was any hope left for Shannon. In that sense, the 5-year plan could have been a contingency plan in the not unlikely event that the marriage fell apart.
As far as Shannon's lies and Frank's secret about Abby's paternity are concerned, I would clearly say that Shannon's lies are definitely more serious: First, Shannon's lies to the judge are criminally relevant, while the mystery about Abby's paternity was more for protection: If Shannon had known about it, it can't be ruled out that she didn't just use it to spill venom against the dead Jessica, and second, Shannon would have felt even more threatened by Abby or the "mini-Jessica", since Abby was very affectionate towards Frank and would have considered her "Frank's new Jessica, right under her nose".
I think Becca's actions are quite morally questionable, but at the same time I think the fact that Shannon is now a character outside of the family picture makes for a circumstance that is best for Abby, Lilli and Frank and their emotional healing. Both Becca and Shannon are sly and manipulative, however, I believe Becca has each other's best interests at heart, which is rather different with her mother.
I feel like the story is going to end just like Daughter for Dessert.
The biological father will want Abigail to go with him, but she wants to be with Frank, he will continue to insist during the game, while Abigail and Frank evolve in their relationship, but when he discovers what he does with Lily and Becca, he will decide to go with his biological father To get away from him, at that moment Frank will have to go look for her, then the biological father and his family will not allow him to get close.
My theory is that depending on the decisions made will be the reasons to draw the ending where Abigail will choose between staying with Frank and her friends or staying with her biological family and holding a resentment for Frank for cheating on her (this case is the least likely ).
It can also end with the Harem ending where everyone is happy.
The biological father will want Abigail to go with him, but she wants to be with Frank, he will continue to insist during the game, while Abigail and Frank evolve in their relationship, but when he discovers what he does with Lily and Becca, he will decide to go with his biological father To get away from him, at that moment Frank will have to go look for her, then the biological father and his family will not allow him to get close.
My theory is that depending on the decisions made will be the reasons to draw the ending where Abigail will choose between staying with Frank and her friends or staying with her biological family and holding a resentment for Frank for cheating on her (this case is the least likely ).
It can also end with the Harem ending where everyone is happy.
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Now the core problem that had led to the rift between MC and daughter on Daughter for Dessert for several chapters was that the MC kept the mystery about the mother and her family to himself until it blew up in his face.
Frank is criticized by many for his passivity, however, I believe that in Abby and the Mystery of Fatherhood (which sounds like the title of a mediocre novel), he did just the right thing and told her before her father could be at the door.
And I have a feeling that Abby isn't even the one who might have the biggest problem with the harem scenario. We don't know all of her and Becca's scenes, but knowing Becca, it's not out of the question that Becca has already put things in place to make sure she's not there to share Frank's problems.
Where I am absolutely convinced is the fact that she probably has no interest in her biological father. The guy has been ditching her pregnant mother and acting like a dick to her, and she calls Frank her father every time. So I would strongly assume that she sees the guy more as a kind of sperm donor.
That being said, Becca has already announced that if Abby gets any stupid ideas about this, she will drag her back herself. Lilli would probably be in on it as well, since the two are very close. I just imagine Becca and Lilli carrying Abby away by her arms and legs. XD
Edit: To make it less misleading, yes she wants to meet her biological father but I guess just to tell him that Frank has always been her father and always will be, no matter whose loin child she is.
Frank is criticized by many for his passivity, however, I believe that in Abby and the Mystery of Fatherhood (which sounds like the title of a mediocre novel), he did just the right thing and told her before her father could be at the door.
And I have a feeling that Abby isn't even the one who might have the biggest problem with the harem scenario. We don't know all of her and Becca's scenes, but knowing Becca, it's not out of the question that Becca has already put things in place to make sure she's not there to share Frank's problems.
Where I am absolutely convinced is the fact that she probably has no interest in her biological father. The guy has been ditching her pregnant mother and acting like a dick to her, and she calls Frank her father every time. So I would strongly assume that she sees the guy more as a kind of sperm donor.
That being said, Becca has already announced that if Abby gets any stupid ideas about this, she will drag her back herself. Lilli would probably be in on it as well, since the two are very close. I just imagine Becca and Lilli carrying Abby away by her arms and legs. XD
Edit: To make it less misleading, yes she wants to meet her biological father but I guess just to tell him that Frank has always been her father and always will be, no matter whose loin child she is.
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I can't put it anymore eloquently than MrLKX did (post #5639, sorry my brain isn't working well enough to remember how to link to posts atm), and I won't try.
I will add: Shannons actions/issues/personality seem to be consistent throughout her life, at least based on the perspective we have been given. In fact it is pretty typical narcissistic behavior.
While I do have my own concerns with Becca's actions, I doubt she had anything to do with the infidelity, way to easy for that to have backfired on her (especially with the MC playing the sub to Shannons dom behavior, even if it was just to keep peace in the house) and she definitely didn't have anything to do with Shannons accusations to the judge. As soon as she saw the judge wasn't buying it, Shannon dropped the act. Again; consistent with narcissistic behavior but completely inconsistent with someone that thought there was even a slim chance of an actual issue, which would have been the case if Becca had manipulated it. There is no way she would have let it go that easily, unless she knew it was total bullshit. That was the unforgivable (for me) line, and there is no justification for it.
Becca's manipulations definitely make her the more interesting of the two. Maybe it's because we have seen more of her, maybe it's because we have been sold the idea and want to believe she is being motivated by love, or maybe it's just because we don't know her real motivations yet. Time will tell on that one.
I personally don't like the way she has been treating Lilith either, but (so far) it seems to be the only way to get through to Lilith. I can accept it as necessary to the story, at least for now.
The big question is whether Lilith is doing what Becca manipulated her into believing she wants, or what she herself really wants. So far the story points to is being what she really wants, but again, only time will tell.
I am very interested to see where that will end up going.