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For some people maybe.
Personally I don't like the idea of taking advantage of a girl already suffering and in need of a helping hand.
Personally I don't like the idea of taking advantage of a girl already suffering and in need of a helping hand.
- Jul 12, 2020
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That only happens in order to start the route. Not afterwards. An unfortunate mechanic for the flag. As Caeir noted, refuse her BJ in the cinema....and the sub route changes considerably
- Mar 25, 2018
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I know I'd make a terrible Dom, because I just wanted to help her and give her a hug. Lol
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that would be perfectly fine behaviour for a dom too.. bdsm risks to stray into abuse if not handled properly and maturely.
in this instance, as much as I have appreciated playing the dom route, it does start with abuse..because she's not a willing participant in this..not even in a consensual non consent way. it's fun to play but would be completely out of line for the real world (actually criminal).
and hugs and helping your partner are perfectly fine ways to give aftercare, which in many instances is also essential to the practice of bdsm.
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I would argue against how it starts somewhat. It's coercian based on desperation. End of the day, we (MC) never force her to actually do anything and she always has the option to stop or not do something. A hint of blackmail perhaps (right at the start)...but nothing illegal. Maybe you actually missed tyhe fact Bella is never forced into anything. There is no abuse. Could that part of the story been slightly better written? Perhaps yes but it's a mechanic to start the route, nothing more.
I could fill 22 pages on this subject (from experience) but it has all been discussed ad-infinitum before so there really isn't any point. My biggest gripe with all this is that far too many people misunderstand what BDSM is and can be and very rarely is the loving, gentler, softer side of a dom/sub relationship ever brought up or discussed which means there are a lot pf pre-conceived notions and labels about it which for the most part, are often highly inaccurate and misguided.
(Disclaimer: Assuming all is consensual and discussing dom/sub relationships...not men who are domineering and/or the extremes of the spectrum).
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I would argue back that she starts as the victim of blackmail for money, an actual crime, and that the MC replaces the blackmailer for quite a while, before coming clean and giving her the facts straight. the fact that she's not under physical coertion and can always pick the alternative (which would damage her socially, potentially cost her her job and bring harm to herself and her family) really doesn't give her much in the way of agency. Sure.. the victim of a blackmail can always refuse to pay and get his dirty pics divulged, their kidnapped loved ones disappeared or suffer any other nasty consequence for displeasing the blackmailer.. that's what makes it such an insidious crime.
She's not being told "I've got a ticket to that concert you like, if you want to come with me you have to suck me off"... she's being told "pay me money/have sex with me or I will ruin your life"... goes a bit beyond playful coercion.
I certainly do not expect even half of the game developers who plonk in some bdsm because it sells to know what it entails with any degree of accuracy.
Anyway, this is not to say that I didn't enjoy the game.. in many ways it's one of my favourites, including the dom/sub play, which so rarely has any depth at all in these games, so I'm sufficiently happy with how they handled it in this case and perfectly willing to give them a pass.
- Aug 22, 2018
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I'm a sub, my girlfriend is a dom.
Biggest difference in most sub/dom relationships is the dom didn't fuck over the sub when they were in need of help and heartbroken.
We had a long chat about likes and dislikes and she never once threatened to completely ruin my life if I didn't do what she said which is exactly what happened to Bella both from her blackmailer and brother.
Tis also why she won't have a kid with him on the blackmail route. She might be stockolmed enough to think he gives a shit but she isn't gone enough to want to have a family with him.
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Hi guys,
I'm at Day 22 right now and I start to wonder whether this game will continue to be as it is (from one sex scene to another, basicly no story whatsoever), or will it get any better, deeper, more complex later on. Can you give me any non-spoiler clue? Cheers
I'm at Day 22 right now and I start to wonder whether this game will continue to be as it is (from one sex scene to another, basicly no story whatsoever), or will it get any better, deeper, more complex later on. Can you give me any non-spoiler clue? Cheers
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If that's already your impression then as much as I love this VN I'm going to tell you no.
In all seriousness, it's a guy fucks his family VN...just exactly how much and what kind of complexity were you looking for? Maybe check some of the VN's in my sig if you like deeper stories where fucking everything with 2 legs is not the main focus.
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I loved this game. Bella instantly became my top-1 favourite girl of all time and her both routes are really nice. She is the perfect wife, it doesn't really matter if she is the love of MCs life or just slutty fucktoy, both are perfect.
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Thanks for honest answer. Yeah I know some of the titles you have listed in the signature and most of them I did enjoy quite much and found them intriguing at least. I looked SL up because this one is completed game and has good ratings overall. I wanted to play something that has an actual ending, so I won't have to wait for months-years to get any update and continuation. Whereas I understand that someone might love this VN for it's traits, I guess it's just not my thing.
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Well it certainly has a happy ending for sure...there is resolution and closure. But there is no complex plot/story.
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the plot is fairly simple, but well articulated and makes sense, all considered, which is more than can be said about many other games that end up being a lot more contrived...yes, it is in parts rather naive and silly, but it's handled with enough skill and the graphics are good enough to make me give it a pass (also, it explores a smattering of kinks beyond the average ones you find pretty much everywhere..if that's your thing)
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Damn this game was really epic and I thoroughly enjoyed playing it. The story and characters were really great, I definitely loved the characters, especially Rachel. It'll be really cool to have some sort of DLC/sequel maybe.
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dev (perverteer) said that there might be dlc. sequel is out of question since family's story has been told.
This is the only game I have replayed multiple times. It will be forever in my library just to repeat the story. I just delete the saves and start all over again just for the sheer thrill. Sadly Valentina doesn't visit the island. I wish she did.
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