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Dylan741

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So if you go dominant route with Bella there is no pregnancy option with her and therefore "the everybody gets pregnant" ending is locked out right?
Yep, the only way to get her pregnant is the romantic route.
And considering what Bella endured personally it's the only route possible imho, it's way better that the other one ( thought it's less darker than it was before, at least from what I gathered I never tried that part from the beginning). :)
 

Uthuriel

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So if you go dominant route with Bella there is no pregnancy option with her and therefore "the everybody gets pregnant" ending is locked out right?
It's not dominant. It's being an asshole to your sister who is also in a very vulnerable state.
So yes.
Don't treat her like shit.
She is one of the best girls in this game.
 

BlackTieOnly

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Yep, the only way to get her pregnant is the romantic route.
And considering what Bella endured personally it's the only route possible imho, it's way better that the other one ( thought it's less darker than it was before, at least from what I gathered I never tried that part from the beginning). :)
I don't quite understand the logic of locking pregnancy out of the dominant route. It's probably my only complaint of the game. I like both routes quite a lot but lean towards the dominant route simply because it offers a few more scenes for my favorite tag.
 

e6mill

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It's not dominant. It's being an asshole to your sister who is also in a very vulnerable state.
So yes.
Don't treat her like shit.
She is one of the best girls in this game.
She's kinked that way. It's consensual-after the first nudge at least. I don't like it myself, but IMO it's not much different than what Susan does to Adriana *and to the MC* on the Discrete route.
 

BlackTieOnly

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It's not dominant. It's being an asshole to your sister who is also in a very vulnerable state.
So yes.
Don't treat her like shit.
She is one of the best girls in this game.
MC is an asshole to nearly everyone in the game, actively lying to and manipulating nearly his entire family. Let's not pretend like his treatment of Bella in the dominant route is any worse or out of character for him.
 
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Uthuriel

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I don't quite understand the logic of locking pregnancy out of the dominant route. It's probably my only complaint of the game. I like both routes quite a lot but lean towards the dominant route simply because it offers a few more scenes for my favorite tag.
The asshole route sucks... all you get a sad Bella... no wonder she doesn't want your child...
Let me tell you something. Being an asshole and being dominant are two thing that should never be confused.
MC is an asshole to nearly everyone in the game, actively lying to and manipulating nearly his entire family. Let's not pretend like his treatment of Bella in the dominant route is any worse or out of character for him.
That is literally not true.
 

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Yep, the only way to get her pregnant is the romantic route.
And considering what Bella endured personally it's the only route possible imho, it's way better that the other one ( thought it's less darker than it was before, at least from what I gathered I never tried that part from the beginning). :)
I did a mistake for some reason and in my first playthrough went the "asshole" way with Bella (I'm not into BDSM at all), so I had to replay later on. And I have to confirm that the "love" route with her is so much better that I even don't know why the dark route even in the game. She is such a sweet girl. Her initial Tzundere appearance ( may be it was that that pushed me first into the dark path) is just a fake.
 

BlackTieOnly

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The asshole route sucks... all you get a sad Bella... no wonder she doesn't want your child...
Let me tell you something. Being an asshole and being dominant are two thing that should never be confused.

That is literally not true.
Really? If you follow the discreet route MC enters a sexual relationship with his mother without her informed consent.

He meddles in Liza's relationship.

And he enters into non-monogamous relationships with every single woman in his family without their informed consent either.

Also the game makes it very clear that Bella could have called Uncle at any point. She chose to be treated that way. She's not sad, by the end of that route she's just as happy as the love route.
 

Uthuriel

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I did a mistake for some reason and in my first playthrough went the "asshole" way with Bella (I'm not into BDSM at all), so I had to replay later on. And I have to confirm that the "love" route with her is so much better that I even don't know why the dark route even in the game. She is such a sweet girl. Her initial Tzundere appearance ( may be it was that that pushed me first into the dark path) is just a fake.
She is one of the best... people that actually think about hurting her are just weird tbh...
Going for instant gratification like a smoothbrain coomer... and by doing so denying yourself this.

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There two submissive rotes for Bella...one is considerably sweeter than the other. That aside, she is perfectly willing in both, and sexy as hell and perfect in 3 routes.
 

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Wait what? Can you explain the difference between the two submissive routes?
Don't blackmail her forver for the money and you can get onto a love/sub route with her...it's my favouritre route of hers.

Give her the money, lie about it (corrupt her)...don't overly antagonise her and build her trust up. IIRC...day 15 is the key here...with enough trust you can then open up to her about Dwayne, DO NOT keep blackmailing her at this point...this will flip you onto a respectful sub path and away from the asshole path.
 

BlackTieOnly

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Don't blackmail her forver for the money and you can get onto a love/sub route with her...it's my favouritre route of hers.

Give her the money, lie about it (corrupt her)...don't overly antagonise her and build her trust up. IIRC...day 15 is the key here...with enough trust you can then open up to her about Dwayne, DO NOT keep blackmailing her at this point...this will flip you onto a respectful sub path and away from the asshole path.
Oh wow, I didn't even realize you could continue her path without opening up about Dwayne. Thanks for the info. I still don't particularly care for their portrayal of the sub dom relationship. But that mostly comes down to my problems with the portrayal of the main character as a whole.
 
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Oh wow, I didn't even realize you could continue her path without opening up about Dwayne. Thanks for the info. I still don't particularly care for their portrayal of the sub dom relationship. But that mostly comes down to my problems with the portrayal of the main character as a whole.
The reason the sub-dom relationship is problematic is the MC doesn't know how to do it and is making it up as he goes along. It is initially just an excuse to get what he wants from her. Later, they start doing it properly when he realizes he was being a dick. They lay out the rules for both parties and form an agreement. Also, I don't know how anyone can be anything other than loving to Bella, even on the sub-route. She is awesome. Also, Gen9 Bella and Rachel are here to say hi. I would love an HD remake of this game just because the Gen3 models look really dated these days, but yeah, so many renders.


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Uthuriel

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The reason the sub-dom relationship is problematic is the MC doesn't know how to do it and is making it up as he goes along. It is initially just an excuse to get what he wants from her. Later, they start doing it properly when he realizes he was being a dick. They lay out the rules for both parties and form an agreement. Also, I don't know how anyone can be anything other than loving to Bella, even on the sub-route. She is awesome. Also, Gen9 Bella and Rachel are here to say hi. I would love an HD remake of this game just because the Gen3 models look really dated these days, but yeah, so many renders.


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I would have never guessed those to be the updated models... not bad but they lost some charm the OG ones had.
 

Maviarab

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Oh wow, I didn't even realize you could continue her path without opening up about Dwayne. Thanks for the info. I still don't particularly care for their portrayal of the sub dom relationship. But that mostly comes down to my problems with the portrayal of the main character as a whole.
The loving D/s relationship is far more like how it should be. It's quite wholesome (as a dom myself of almost 30 years) so naturally is my preferred route heh but it's one of the better depictions of how it should be among VN's. Well worth checking out.
 

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Ah, it's after you find the business card of Discreet in Susan's room, then you meet James in the cafè where Bella works and you must call and decide to go by yourself or let James go.
You must go so you will open that path with Adriana, if you have save play that part it's rather interesting... Adriana is one of my favourite girls, I really loved her characterization. :)
Huh... so that's why I've never encountered that route. I try to interact with James as little as possible when playing. I just did not like the guy. So I have blocked myself from the path to Susan's work every damned time, lol. Whoops.
 
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Dylan741

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Huh... so that's why I've never encountered that route. I try to interact with James as little as possible when playing. I just did not like the guy. So I have blocked myself from the path to Susan's work every damned time, lol. Whoops.
Yeah, I read about it from others, I don't know James looked like a good friend to me, but it's a matter of personal opinion so it's ok, but yes if you want to get that part you need to interact with him a little more. :)
 
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Dylan741

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I don't quite understand the logic of locking pregnancy out of the dominant route. It's probably my only complaint of the game. I like both routes quite a lot but lean towards the dominant route simply because it offers a few more scenes for my favorite tag.
Uhm this is a difficult answer for me to give, so bear with me because it will be a little long ( not too much, I don't want to annoy you).
The first part of this post it's an uneducated guess of mine, based on what I read about the dominant route, so take it with a big grain of salt because I didn't played it ( I will explain why at the end).
The dominant route have two possible outcomes:
1 You take advantage of Bella's situation to make her your obediently slave/pet, it's the less dark one.
You still treat her good with a certain degree of respect, you don't abuse her physically nor mentally and at the end of the story she become yours, now this give you the possibility to use her sexually as much as you want, with whoever girl you want ( your harem/solo/multiple girls your choice);
2 You dominate her from the start and she become a slave pure and simple.
She's completely at your mercy and you can do to her whatever you want, she can't refuse anything, there's no respect no kindness, she must obey to each order you will give her regardless of her opinion, this the more darker path;
Now what could be the reason of no pregnancy? Well the reasons can be different but I think the first that comes to mind is you don't love her, at all.
How could you love someone that you downgraded to the level of a pet ( first hypothesis) or even less ( 2nd hypothesis) to the point to have a child with them? Wether you can debate on this she's not your equal, so why making her bearing a child that would be pretty much the same as her?
She's here to offer you relief sexually when the other girls are pregnant, how could she be pregnant then? it would be a bother and nothing else, she's there to serve you and the rest of your girls, not to be loved not to receive kindness ( well a little bit of that sure, but just to make her proud of being a good pet in the lighter path, or of being a good onanhole in the darker).
So at the end of the story a child with a Bella in this condition is really an option? Imho no, if anything else it would be only a disturbance from her.
And I write this in the most neutral way, when I use the word downgraded it is free of any bad/negative thoughts ( at least as much as possible, you can't never be completely neutral when offering your personal opinion).

Now why didn't I played the dominant route? Well it's the fact that to me it sounded redundant, I mean we've already had the biggest theme that was the incest, offered in a somewhat realistic ( again my personal opinion) take in respect of other games.
Having this theme to fully explore in all the different variations ( because all the girls in the family have a different character and arc to develop both in the harem and in the solo path) was enough for me that, having another big theme like that was too much to examine.
Also differently from other games I played, here the dominant route start not with you that slowly corrupt a girl ( or many) and transform her/them in a slave/pet, she's already in altered state of mind due to the sextortion.
Honestly I felt it was too much, especially after you clear the water with Bella, and you find out she's the most romantic and sweet of them all ( again personal opinion so....).
So yeah, that's what I think about the no pregnancy in the dominating route and why I personally think it's best only in the romantic route.
I have nothing against games that offer you the possibility to dominate a girl to the point to transform her in a slave ( Pale Carnation is one of my favourite games on this theme).
But differently from SL, PC already put you in that road, there's nothing else, in Sl instead you have the incest as a big theme and then that and....It didn't worked for me considering how the story unfolded, that's it.
Sorry for the wall of text, hope it wasn't too boring to read for you.
And if you want to continue the discussion we can always start a private conversation, I don't want to clog the thread.:)
 

Jmkmn

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Link is dead, can someone update it please ?
Hey..
Can you please help ?
How do you save the game ( Android).. everytime you close the game it doesn't load from where you left ..and there isn't even any "quick save " option so how do you save your progress??
I wanna play this but how do I save my progress??????
 
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