So I heard patreon effectively banned anime style content

[Takomon]

You could look into Stripe, they're a PayPal competitor and fairly large. But they're not much different than PayPal if you search for "stripe bans". Google and Amazon also offer such services (but I haven't looked into them so, grain of salt).

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Thank you for sharing, Pixiv Fanbox is also a great alternative that support Paypal but you have to follow their censor policy even you on Fanbox or not.

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I have seen so many 3D NSFW artists being banned for not censor character's genital, but some of them have dodged this restriction somehow. It's a really stupid rule but I guess that's what happened when you surround by countries that straight up put people in jail for sharing/selling porn

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[Horse Amor]

I see their trying to get creators back as indicative that they initially pushed too hard (Raised the boil too fast), so they tried to mitigate the damage.
Also, even if all the 18+ creators unified, if Patreon saw it as a liability or potential liability in the future, ITT they'd gladly let them go.

I have zero doubt that Patreon already considers 18+ creators a liability. There's too many benefits to going "legit," there is a reason we call it Safe For Work after all. The thing is they can't just come out and cut their 18+ section loose either, that would leave a niche wide open for competitors. Patreon's ideal would be if the crowdfunded porn industry died overnight and everyone decided that they only wanted to donate to wholesome, mainstream creators.

 

[Joshua Tree]

They already have the standard "Are you 18 or of legal age to view these adult materials?" check on adult pages and in their ToS, or did you mean something beyond/different to that?

Wouldn't stop any minor from click yes regardless though. Today's society is all about wrap kids in bubble wrap and put ta tinfoil hat on their head to shelter them from anything and everything. Kinda make me worried for generations to come. I know its not ideal, but I know some places that require you to enter cc details, set up a paypal, or similar for age verification.

 

[おい！]

Cool, let assume all of his artwork on his Patreon page have no adult women when you have never seen and knowing nothing about what he posts on his Patreon and what he posts only on Pixiv, Patreon one day give him an unofficial guideline which discriminate his old and new work and count them as minor engage in sexual activity and ban him. What they count as minor is on the post #21. Plug said that she look minor and that is not count as proof, you come and assume his works have no adult women lol, I'm really happy for Patreon, they work so hard that they have people support them through false accusation, who need research right ? All you need is believe Patreon always make the right call, nothing to see here boys, just a salty dude promoting CP with >18yo character being banned, common sense am I right ? Fuck those twitter users hating because we don't support their CP style, can you imagine the noble Patreon have to go out of their way to clarify false rumor ? I wonder WHY THERE ARE RUMOR IN THE FIRST PLACE

So when you say "no adult women" you mean girls/minors otherwise you would have said no females of any age. Of course Patreon has every right to ban the depiction of girls/minors engaging in sexual activity if they so wish.

 

[vneotpolemus]

All the stuff about brand management and clumsy enforcement is true. But...

There's a number of people asking for material that breaks r7 on this website. There's at least one game that blatantly breaks r7 but is still on f95 because its got a large enough fanbase that the mods let it slide. There's a suspicious number of artists who are no longer active due to legal problems. And that's only what slips through the cracks of moderation.

Even if we can't pinpoint the fire there is a lot of smoke in the air. You can bet its no different on patreon.

I'm sure some well intentioned people have got kicked off patreon. I'm also sure there are some people who are at best willfully blind to where their money comes from, and some who are deliberately trying to subvert the rules.

TL DR: People suck, everyone suffers for it.

 

[Zekewolf]

Devs can have both however there is one major issue with Subscribestar ... no PayPal.

I only use PayPal online so can't support anyone on any other platform that doesn't use it, i'm not the only one.

Yeah, I know, it sucks... And like I said earlier in the thread, I believe I read somewhere that the reason PayPal doesn't work with Subscribestar is precisely the fact that Subscribestar weren't willing enough to censor (which IMO is a good thing). But I did drag my feet for a long time before starting to support through Subscribestar for that exact reason. It wasn't until a creator I was supporting through Patreon was forced to remove all their NSFW-stuff that I switched to mainly use Subscribestar. But it is a larger hassle than Patreon, I agree.

 

[HandofVecna]

I wonder if we might be going about this the wrong way. We are putting it all on Devs to pressure Patreon. What maybe 1K people if that, when there are 2MM+ members of f95 alone who if they all stood up with one voice and complained to Patreon would surely have more weight.

Of course people are generally short sighted, if it isn't their fetish or their game threatened they think it will never be their game or fetish threatened. Don't believe for a second there isn't a "moral majority" out there chomping at the bit to ban all porn and porn games.

Be a student of history...

First they came for artists who used women with small breast but I did not speak out because my fetish and game did not include small breasts, then the came for the LGBTQ games and I did not speak out because my games didn't include LGBTQ fetish/lifestyle, then they came for big titty and hip porn and there was no one left to speak for my porn fetish or game and all porn games died.

Players eventually will have to lead the charge on this and Devs will need to unite and see it as the threat it is. A Dev power is in his/her fan base. If the Devs get their act together and galvanize their fan base there might be change but as long as we keep bickering and demeaning each others work as not sufficiently moral enough (Big enough tits and hips) for Patreon and being okay with that we are screwed long term. How long until Reily Reed is band from porn for being small stature and small titied lol.

Just a note. I like boobs. I just don't find big floppy boobs all that attractive. I married a 5'2, 32 A, 98 pound Asian woman when she was 28. She is now 38 and the only change is she is 106 pounds. For some reason age hasn't resulted in DD tits and widening of her hips (though her butt is a lil more plump). I just don't understand this focus on fictionalized pixilated women in porn games having to meet standards that are not real world and really not healthy body positive images (ok threw in that last one to twist the SJW knife but honestly...think about it.).

 

[Deleted member 1843620]

"my house, my rules". There is nothing to add, nothing to debate. If Patreon wanted it, there would be nothing to complain about, as long as the rules are clear and defined. Patreon is not a democracy.

 

[HandofVecna]

"my house, my rules". There is nothing to add, nothing to debate. If Patreon wanted it, there would be nothing to complain about, as long as the rules are clear and defined. Patreon is not a democracy.

I think that is part of the issue is that people don't believe the rules are well defined or realistic. Patreon isn't a democracy but it is subject to market economy factors like all Devs uniting and their fan base and walking away until Patreon cleans up its act.

 

[HandofVecna]

I do get a weird feeling that there are Patreon accounts on here disguised as players...am I being paranoid? Some of the full throttle support for Patreon on here is a little over the top.

 

[おい！]

I wonder if we might be going about this the wrong way. We are putting it all on Devs to pressure Patreon. What maybe 1M people if that, when there are 2MM+ members of f95 alone who if they all stood up with one voice and complained to Patreon would surely have more weight.

Of course people are generally short sighted, if it isn't their fetish or their game threatened they think it will never be their game or fetish threatened. Don't believe for a second there isn't a "moral majority" out there chomping at the bit to ban all porn and porn games.

Be a student of history...

First they came for artists who used women with small breast but I did not speak out because my fetish and game did not include small breasts, then the cam for the LGBTQ games and I did not speak out because my games didn't include LGBTQ fetish, then they came for big titty, child bearing hips porn and there was no one left to speak for my porn fetish or game and all porn games died.

Players eventually will have to lead the charge on this and Devs will need to unit and see it as the threat it is. A Dev power is in his/her fan base. If the Devs get their act together and galvanize their fan base there might be change but as long as we keep bickering and demeaning each others work as not sufficiently moral enough (Big enough tits and child bearing hips) for Patreon and being okay with that we are screwed long term. How long until Reily Reed is band from porn for being small stature and small titied lol.

I take it that you think all the members of this site, also pay money to Patreon? Why would Patreon or any other company listen to a bunch of people who download pirated material?

Also as Patreon hosts the material, just like F95 they have the right to remove anything they want.

 

[HandofVecna]

I take it that you think all the members of this site, also pay money to Patreon? Why would Patreon or any other company listen to a bunch of people who download pirated material? How many devs accept but do not agree with F95 pirating of their material?

Also as Patreon hosts the material, just like F95 they have the right to remove anything they want.

That's true. They may not pay but they do consume. If they, the pirates, want to continue to consume they will have to speak up.

I am not, anywhere in my comments, denying Patreon can remove whatever they want. I am stating that we as a community don't have to put up with it.

You have the right of free speech but you do not have the right of no consequences. Patreon has the right, but not the right to avoid the consequences.

I'd also be willing to bet that adult games pay the bills over there at Patreon. That's why this is very sensitive for them. This current business model for Devs/Patreon is the one RARE situation where people (any people) are paying for porn content in the porn industry right now. I doubt there are a bunch of people shelling out $5, $10, $20 dollars a month so an artist can make jewelry, a record, a painting etc.

 

[おい！]

That's true. They may not pay but they do consume. If they, the pirates, want to continue to consume they will have to speak up.

I am not, anywhere in my comments, denying Patreon can remove whatever they want. I am stating that we as a community don't have to put up with it.

You have the right of free speech but you do not have the right of no consequences. Patreon has the right, but not the right to avoid the consequences.

So you want people who are pirates, to give their real names etc............ over to Patreon in a protest? After all Patreon needs to know that it is not coming from bots.

 

[HandofVecna]

So you want people who are pirates, to give their real names etc............ over to Patreon in a protest? After all Patreon needs to know that it is not coming from bots.

Why would you have to admit to being a pirate? You just need an account at worse and you can contact Patreon via their website without an account. Curious why do you defend Patreon so much?

Apologies, maybe better asked, what is your motivation for defending Patreon? Help me understand your point of view.

 

[おい！]

Why would you have to admit to being a pirate? You just need an account at worse and you can contact Patreon via their website without an account. Curious why do you defend Patreon so much?

Well as far as I know people who actually contribute to Patreon are traceable, because they use PayPal. So to me they have a say, if they so choose.
Why would any company listen to non payers? After all no-one makes any money from that.
I am not defending Patreon, I am just saying what I believe are the facts. If Patreon decided that all the members complaining from a pirate site was to much hassle then they could decide to remove all the NSFW content. That way everyone would be fucked and all the devs etc............. would have you to thank for comming up with the idea.

I wonder if we might be going about this the wrong way. We are putting it all on Devs to pressure Patreon. What maybe 1K people if that, when there are 2MM+ members of f95 alone who if they all stood up with one voice and complained to Patreon would surely have more weight.

Do you really think that Patreon does not know that this a pirate site?

 

[HandofVecna]

Well as far as I know people who actually contribute to Patreon are traceable, because they use PayPal. So to me they have a say, if they so choose.
Why would any company listen to non payers? After all no-one makes any money from that.
I am not defending Patreon, I am just saying what I believe are the facts. If Patreon decided that all the members complaining from a pirate site was to much hassle then they could decide to remove all the NSFW content. That way everyone would be fucked and all the devs etc............. would have you to thank for comming up with the idea.



Do you really think that Patreon does not know that this a pirate site?

I think raising concerns about process as you are is valid and valuable. I don't believe you provide alternatives though and that is why the conversation is a bit of a dead end. You're not providing constructive ideas.

In one breath you are suggesting that Patreon has the right and we should all just live with it they can remove everything and in the next, saying that if anyone puts up any resistance than in all goes away they can remove everything. In the aforementioned it can go away anytime anyway regardless of our collective actions with nothing but a whimper and in the latter at least we had our say but you are right it could all go away. I again doubt this due to economic factors for Patreon especially going into a recession. Doing something and getting fucked is no worse than doing nothing and getting fucked, as you say.

You raise valid concerns and raise some good questions but you are coming across as someone who is advocating sitting on our hands which is exactly what Patreon would want us to do. That in turn, intent or not, makes you an advocate for Patreon. You haven't actually denounced the policy. One can denounce the policy and still believe that Patreon is the best site for these projects and hope it continues as I do. It isn't binary. One can denounce slavery, wear cotton clothing, and live in the south all at the same time. It isn't binary.

 

[HandofVecna]

Well as far as I know people who actually contribute to Patreon are traceable, because they use PayPal. So to me they have a say, if they so choose.
Why would any company listen to non payers? After all no-one makes any money from that.
I am not defending Patreon, I am just saying what I believe are the facts. If Patreon decided that all the members complaining from a pirate site was to much hassle then they could decide to remove all the NSFW content. That way everyone would be fucked and all the devs etc............. would have you to thank for comming up with the idea.



Do you really think that Patreon does not know that this a pirate site?

I'm not sure why Patreon's knowledge of this site being Pirates or not matters. It doesn't impact their bottom line. If the people who pay only count at Patreon that is still a VAST majority of their business. If those people complained they'd listen.

 

[おい！]

I think raising concerns about process as you are is valid and valuable. I don't believe you provide alternatives though and that is why the conversation is a bit of a dead end. You're not providing constructive ideas.

In one breath you are suggesting that Patreon has the right and we should all just live with it they can remove everything and in the next, saying that if anyone puts up any resistance than in all goes away they can remove everything. In the aforementioned it can go away anytime anyway regardless of our collective actions with nothing but a whimper and in the latter at least we had our say but you are right it could all go away. I again doubt this due to economic factors for Patreon especially going into a recession.

You raise valid concerns and raise some good questions but you are coming across as someone who is advocating sitting on our hands which is exactly what Patreon would want us to do. That in turn, intent or not, makes you an advocate for Patreon. You haven't actually denounced the policy. One can denounce the policy and still believe that Patreon is the best site for these projects and hope it continues as I do. It isn't binary. One can denounce slavery, wear cotton clothing, and live in the south all at the same time. It isn't binary.

It is not my job to provide alternatives. If you feel that strongly about it, start a thread with a poll and the once you have your results, you can be the hero or villain and contact Patreon stating "We the members of F95zone blah, blah, blah, blah blah". Please tell me what does slavery, cotton clothing and living in the south, have to do with Patreon? BTW I live in the South and we have never had slavery there and I have no problems with wearing cotton clothing.

 

[おい！]

I'm not sure why Patreon's knowledge of this site being Pirates or not matters. It doesn't impact their bottom line. If the people who pay only count at Patreon that is still a VAST majority of their business. If those people complained they'd listen.

Yes but you said this

I wonder if we might be going about this the wrong way. We are putting it all on Devs to pressure Patreon. What maybe 1K people if that, when there are 2MM+ members of f95 alone who if they all stood up with one voice and complained to Patreon would surely have more weight.

are you back tracking? Tell me where in your 3 sentences do you mention Patreons? I see Devs and F95 members. Do you have a problem remembering what you post?

 

[HandofVecna]

It is not my job to provide alternatives. If you feel that strongly about it, start a thread with a poll and the once you have your results, you can be the hero or villain and contact Patreon stating "We the members of F95zone blah, blah, blah, blah blah". Please tell me what does slavery, cotton clothing and living in the south, have to do with Patreon?

So why do you even comment on the thread if you really have A. No concerns or B. No constructive ideas? I'm sure it wasn't your intent to sow descent and inadvertently advocate for Patreon to tighten its rules regarding adult content. That would probably make people angry and I am certain that was NOT your intent.

Regarding slavery. One can denounce a policy, slavery, and still wear cotton clothing. To you it is a binary choice of you either live with and fully support all that comes down from our Patreon overlords or you Dev/Player should shut up. One either supports Patreon no matter what they do or you don't. It is not binary. One can disagree about a policy and still believe in a better Patreon and fully believe that in its current world this is the best of a lot of meh options.

Thank you for your time and input. You have raised valid concerns and I am sure everyone in this thread appreciates it as much as I do.