So, why the hate on NTR?

[tanstaafl]

Imagine if actual books readers were starting to answer them that, "no, it's the story that insert itself in my mind". Not sure that they would be able to have a starts of understanding regarding what it can possibly mean.

They absolutely would not. The inability to grasp it is obvious in how they respond to even the thought of insertion in a book, even though they misunderstand it completely in regard to what you and I are talking about.

One of the first book I've read on my own, and the first one that wasn't for teenagers, was Dune, in it's full edition (Dune, Dune Messiah and The Children of Dune for ~1500 pages). It took me only one day and I needed more than a month to leave Arrakis.

Yeah, Dune got me as well, but the one that hit me hardest was the Jordan's WoT. Mostly because I started reading it in 91 shortly after Eye of the World released. Then I read it entirely every time a new book came out and a few other times on top of that. It took over twenty years for that series to complete. Twenty god damn years. When it was finally over it literally felt like something was missing.

 

[seifukulover]

Anyway, to answer the question "why the hate on NTR":

The simple reason i can think off when why some people dont like NTR


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It's this right here. The cuck is the protagonist of an NTR story. In general, when I read a story I self-insert as the protagonist, as much as the story/medium allows. That's just what storytelling is to me. So I guess less likely to self-insert = more likely to like NTR?

 

[Count Morado]

So I guess less likely to self-insert = more likely to like NTR?

You are making a false equivalence.
You cannot simply state that because you choose to self-insert and do not like netorare that the the opposites are true or prevalent for a population.

There are those who do self-insert who enjoy netorare.
There are those who do not self-insert who enjoy netorare.
There are those who do self-insert who do not enjoy netorare.
There are those who do not self-insert who do not enjoy netorare.
There are those who do self-insert who hold no prevailing opinion about netorare.
There are those who do not self-insert who hold no prevailing opinion about netorare.

We are not aware of any empirical data which quantifies any of the above statements.

All you can state is what you know about yourself and what others share - this is anecdotal data. And while anecdotal data is interesting and can be used as examples to describe empirical data, it cannot be used to draw conclusions.

 

[anne O'nymous]

[...] but if you ask me about Non-fiction, then I love reading that and I've lost count how many that fit that definition that I've read, whilst I also have that imaginative streak, when I read non-fiction I think about imagining me applying it to my own life, the possibilities it could hold and the choices I could make.

Let me guess, among them there were Bergson's "Laughter", right?

More seriously, it point to the, not necessarily this obvious, facts that, firstly, our mind and imagination aren't just triggered by fiction, and, secondly, that it's not just the story that make a good book, the writing also play an important role. What permit to find interesting the reading of a book without story, even if you aren't necessarily interested by the topic, just because it keep you wanting to know more.

 

[LfkCn]

I used to dislike it too. I would become one with the main character and feel like I was being cheated on in real life. I don't feel like the main character anymore. So, it's fine.

 

[SB192]

I used to dislike it too. I would become one with the main character and feel like I was being cheated on in real life. I don't feel like the main character anymore. So, it's fine.

yea most of them like to self insert, i mean i dont really care if you self insert or not. But the problem is "KINK SHAMING COMMENTS ", if they dont like it, no one should like it or you are weird/cuck/rapist. if you dont like it move on, there are plenty of games with your fav genre/kinks, or just pay a developer to make your fav game so you can self insert all day, "" STOP WHINING THE GAME SUCKS BECAUSE IT DOESNT HAVE YOUR FAVOURITE FETISH WISH-FULLFILLMENT"

 

[uyro]

My only problem with it is that most of the times (especially in japanese games) they focus so hard on the cuck's POV rather than the actual sex scenes. Like no, i don't want to watch an scene of the mc jerking off while crying, no i don't wanna read the mc's whole ass monologue of how his bitch enjoys the other guy's cock more than his

 

[uyro]

My only problem with it is that most of the times (especially in japanese games) thay focus so hard in the cuck's POV rather than the actual sex scenes. Like no, i don't want to watch an sceme of the mc jerking off while crying, no i don't wanna read the mc whole ass monologue of how his bitch enjoys the other guy's cock more than his

Besides that, that tag has some of the best art i've seen in porn games so far and have some of the best corruption plots out there

 

[Officer Doofy]

From my experiences on NSFW Discords & Subreddits I have come to the conclusion that hate of NTR or to be more precise Netorare, comes from 1 of 2 places, insecurity or self-insertion.

Insecure Netorare haters despise the genre because they see the men who steal the girl away as superior or they rouse feelings of jealous or envy in the person.

Self-Insertion haters despise the genre because they are use to seeing themselves in the role of protagonist. When an outside force threatens you, your first instinct is to fear it then hate it.

There are outliers to this of course but in general I feel comfortable saying you can categorize Netorare haters as 1 of 2 people. Insecure or Self-Inserting.

 

[That other person]

Besides that, that tag has some of the best art i've seen in porn games so far and have some of the best corruption plots out there

NTR does have some amazing art for some reason. It's weird. I do agree with just watching the main character bitch about it for 14 minutes of written dialogue. Like, I get it, it's NTR, but tet me see the thing! When they offer the choice of two POVs that's fine though since you get both sides.

Some games, like the one I mentioned (Scars of Summer), even have a happy ending where things just go well. It's nice to have that too. But yeah, there's a weirdly high quality to NTR. I understand why some people wouldn't like it, but... that's no reason to bother people about it.

 

[lamba]

Yet A LOT of people seem to draw the line at NTR.

It's pretty simple, NTR is the fetish which places you in the role of cuckold. Most people aren't into that. You'll notice this stops being a problem when you're playing the role of the character who's courting women into infidelity, though. Rance? NTR's half the game's world. Most popular eroge protagonist of all time.

 

[dxf2]

answer to the thread itself (hoping mods don't intervene since it's the theme itself): because it's not a kink nor a fetish nor whatever you wanna call it. Those are just words NTR/Cuck enjoyers lend from true fetishes/kinks to sugarcoat that sick, artificially media implanted perversion. Think about it: every single fetish revolves around people pleasuring each other. Even in submission, the "sub" meets his/her desires. Why would you even get turned on by the fact that the person you like is being pleasured by another person? What even is the point?
Also come on are we gonna turn a blind eye on the fact that cuckold/ntr most of the times revolves around black men?
Also it always revolves around the guy being cucked and not the girl. It's just lame and pathetic and clearly the most politically augmented content with the whole female empowering thing and "black men are better" dogmas and convinces today males that females have the right to do whatever they want with your relationship and feelings and the male convinces himself that it's true if he keeps consuming this garbage. I know i'm gonna sound like a chud on the loose coming straight up from /pol/ but it's really just that.

 

[Count Morado]

I know i'm gonna sound like a chud on the loose

Yup. The one thing you got right in your entire post.

 

[dxf2]

Yup. The one thing you got right in your entire post.

elaborate on why the rest is wrong then

 

[Dryme]

Ntr tears

 

[Count Morado]

elaborate on why the rest is wrong then

You are the one making the assertions. You are the one who needs to show you are in the right. As soon as you do that, I'll counter your argument. Until then it's just you spouting sour grapes because you - most likely - aren't getting laid (at least not with the women you think you deserve).

I'll contradict an easy one:

it always revolves around the guy being cucked and not the girl.

Not always - Woman being cucked: https://f95zone.to/threads/mommys-boy-v0-2-onyxdime-and-dreambiggames.247782/

Again, you stated it yourself:

I know i'm gonna sound like a chud on the loose

 

[dxf2]

You are the one making the assertions. You are the one who needs to show you are in the right. As soon as you do that, I'll counter your argument. Until then it's just you spouting sour grapes because you - most likely - aren't getting laid (at least not with the women you think you deserve).

You are illiterate and have no text comprehension.
I stated my observations on the matter since it was the main question. Why would i need to do it again? Or did you start crying while reading it because it hurted your feelings and decided to remove it from your brain to accomodate your fragile ego?
I asked you to elaborate on why what i've said isn't true and all you are doing is sidetracking the argument, turning it into a flame because you don't know how to answer

I'll contradict an easy one:
Not always - Woman being cucked: https://f95zone.to/threads/mommys-boy-v0-2-onyxdime-and-dreambiggames.247782/

"Oh my god guys he said "always" and not "most of the times". Hah got 'em. What? Hyperbolic expression? What the fuck is that?"

Take a tour around this site, any imageboard and the porn industry itself. Are you really seriously convinced that the vast majority doesn't revolve around the guy getting cucked?

Again, you stated it yourself:

Sounding like something/someone ≠ being that something/someone. I had to put a disclaimer because, as expected, people are quick to label you with some term they found on internet and call it a day.
But hey at least you lived up to your name tag .

 

[Wankstaindeluxe]

I more or less agree with your point except for this.

Not always - Woman being cucked: https://f95zone.to/threads/mommys-boy-v0-2-onyxdime-and-dreambiggames.247782/

1. 1 game where the woman gets cucked. Compared to how many normal ntr games? It's legit 1-100, reverse ntr barely exists!

That's the only part he's right about. The rest is just baseless accusations.

 

[suprisedcrankyface]

answer to the thread itself (hoping mods don't intervene since it's the theme itself): because it's not a kink nor a fetish nor whatever you wanna call it. Those are just words NTR/Cuck enjoyers lend from true fetishes/kinks to sugarcoat that sick, artificially media implanted perversion. Think about it: every single fetish revolves around people pleasuring each other. Even in submission, the "sub" meets his/her desires. Why would you even get turned on by the fact that the person you like is being pleasured by another person? What even is the point?
Also come on are we gonna turn a blind eye on the fact that cuckold/ntr most of the times revolves around black men?
Also it always revolves around the guy being cucked and not the girl. It's just lame and pathetic and clearly the most politically augmented content with the whole female empowering thing and "black men are better" dogmas and convinces today males that females have the right to do whatever they want with your relationship and feelings and the male convinces himself that it's true if he keeps consuming this garbage. I know i'm gonna sound like a chud on the loose coming straight up from /pol/ but it's really just that.

I just had a laugh at this. There is an old saying 'thou dost protest too much' - this reminds me of the gay-but-not-gay overcompensating religious rants that used to be everywhere by dudes that were secretly hiring male prostitutes.

Also come on are we gonna turn a blind eye on the fact that cuckold/ntr most of the times revolves around black men?

Well my answer would be - I have no real idea how many times because I dont really watch/play games that feature the ntr tag. People who dont care really dont care.

And lets be honest, unless you are the pornstar watching porn is a version of NTR & some people like watching other people get off, its been in history forever (from roman orgies french ménage à trois to 70's swinging and wife swapping) - trying to project your own hangups about modern politics makes about as much sense as saying that people into amputees are the result of the modern 'anti-ableist' movement.

If you are that against it then just leave them too it and get on with your day rather than trying to imagine whats going on in their heads.

 

[growmock]

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If one isn't aroused by cuckolding then it is just submission/degradation without reward. Who likes that?