So, why the hate on NTR?

[dxf2]

Dude. Do you know how rhetoric works?
First, you have to show support for your thesis. Then, if there are rebuttals, people follow up with counter points.

What does rhetoric have to do with a thesis?
If anything you're talking about argumentative text.
you're just spitting pseudo-intellectual notions. You were quick to say "it's wrong" but you didn't explain why. Yet you keep asking me to elaborate when you're the one who should correct me if you're so sure what i've said it's wrong.


My first statement was "ntr/cuckold" isn't a fetish since it differs from that cathegory because fetishes revolve around people pleasuring each other in different ways, be it feet,hands, ass, using tools during sex etc. Even in submission, where it may seem only one element receives pleasure the "sub part" actually meets his/her desires thanks to the "dom" body. NTR is different because you don't get anything out of it. It's just your brain telling you that it's cool losing the person that should give you pleasure? Sooo the pleasure is not getting pleasure? Why is something so illogical, yet so known today? It's clearly something heavily pushed by media through subtle ways to mess with the social status quo.

So you automatically delve into why NTR is politic by nature. I KNOW, i'm the first to hate these kind of conversations but i've said this is artificically pumped by media and i want to explain my pov on the matter.
If you care so much about being an intellectual, then let me tell you Orwell predicted this in his novel. In "1984" the party includes pornography in its methods to convince people to practice ideologies that harm them. Think about it: political ideologies following you even in your most intimate moments like when you simply want to goon (funny internet term mentioned). No really, our brain is very vulnerable during erotic/sexual acts.

After WW2, USA occupied various european countries in a "friendly" way with the excuse of protecting europe from a possible soviet invasion. It goes without saying that if you can freely put your soldiers on a foreign country (i mean no shit USA pretty much won ww2) you must have a certain kind of freedom and influence in that territory. So that means today Europe is in big part an extention of USA democracy, through its european governments. How do you convince people to vote for something that eventually hurts them since at any moment the nation that dominates your territory can ask for a transfer of wealth that only your government can approve? Simple you don't make YOUR people vote but migrants. Females are easily manipulated, i mean you give them the right to hop on someone else dick whenever they want without legal repercussions, make concessions for them at work places and overall raise sensibility in society towards them. Why would women even vote for something that goes against all of this? lol. OFC they'd want the system that benefits them. Males consume much more pornography than females>you enforce NTR trough money and visibility in erotic sites>through this slow, subtle but efficient mental conditioning the male convinces himself that "it's okay to be cucked...NO wait it's good,even">this entitles women to commit adultery easily. This thing then amplifies by itself because the user who embraces these beliefs will prolly share this kind of content online.

Okay you have half the population (women) by your side. What about the other half? Remember when i've said you don't make YOUR people vote? And that cuckolding easily revolves around ebonic men?
Europe and USA have welcomed countless migrants over decades and "Blacked" and similar sites promoted the "black is better"/"BBC" stereotypes (which have been proven false btw) in an almost aggressive way. Girls do not want you anymore dude, and if they do it's because they're financially fucked. It's no secret that the "she voted for that", "she belongs to the streets", "you burned the coal now you pay the toll" and the "single mother with mutt child" memes spawned. Aside from that you're probably gonna lose in a female preference test everytime against black men in western world. Asian countries are not affected by these kind of problems because who would have guessed? They don't need to fuck their population in dishonest ways to gain approval. In Europe (periods of time may vary from nation to nation) if you're a migrant you automatically gain citizenship after a while so you effectively become citizen of that country and gain the right to vote. Migrants don't know how your country lifestyle works so they're gonna vote whatever party is presented to them. Childs born from native women and migrants will automatically give for granted that the shitty situation they'll be born in is the best they can pretend to have. Look what happened in England months ago. Citizens tried to do a little protest but migrants were actually...much more than the previous years so english actually started to met resistence.

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[dxf2]

What the hell are you talking about? He was asked "why the NTR hate" and said "this is why", then you said "but why the NTR hate?" He made his assertion, now you have to counter it.

Are we talking about the fact that he offered his opinion, instead of a 50-page research paper fully annotated with peer-reviewed observations from certified professionals?

We're a bunch of guys shooting the shit on a porn forum. No one's trying to get an 'A' from you.

Get over yourself.

Dude, he keeps asking me arguments because he doesn't know how to disprove my observation.
this conversation is going on by:
1. i say something
2. he says it's false
3. i ask why
4. he says i need to argument
5. i say that the answer i gave OP was the argument
6. he pretends my answer doesn't exists and keeps telling me to explain.
He is just...mentally deficient at this point.

 

[Wankstaindeluxe]

There's a buttload of reasons why NTR is hated right now and I guess I will give a couple Real Life examples along with Site Related examples.

Site Related:

1. There's NTR hate by the NTR community strictly because we only have 1 tag that's Netorare, and sadly Netorase & Netori currently apply under that tag. So every thread is spammed with constant NTR debates, which spreads constant hate, and makes my life hell.
2. Several developers admitted to not knowing what NTR was before deciding to make an NTR game. So their game titles are essentially click bait to people with an NTR fetish.
3. Nearly every NTR game getting released right now has AI CG & Pay Walls.
4. Nearly every NTR Game is being confused by the following by the developer: Cuckold, Cheating, Neorase, Netori, Netorare, and Sharing. 'Cause god forbid we do our research before making a game.
5. Netorase & Netori tag rejections due to complications. We'd, the staff, would have to play every single Netorare game on the site and update it with the appropriate tags. We simply don't have the time for that as all staff volunteer our time. It's a similar issue for Foot Fetish & Foot Job tags. Before you respond with, "We can just report it for X Fetish." No... no you can't. Every time you do that we have to manually verify it exists or not. It's a time consuming process.
6. Cuckold, Cheating, Neorase, Netori, Netorare, and Sharing are all extremely emotional fetishes. There's not a single user that doesn't have a strong feeling about one of them. That's why every single review, comment, or discussion gets extremely heated, extremely quickly.

Real Life:

1. Just like there's Sneaker Scalping, my TCG company is currently dealing with TCG related Scalping. All of the scalpers migrated to trading card games because millennials started collecting again. They bought out so much stock that Pokemon Company, as well as other companies, just can't keep up. They've destroyed prices of cards and made it basically impossible to get a collection going because rather than getting a real job, being a scummy pos is the only thing they're good at. Same applies to the games. The NTR tag is being incredibly regurgitated because they saw a couple NTR games make massive amounts of profits, so they think "Oh, I know nothing about development, art, or the fetish itself. But I am going to make a game and hope I can get some of those profits." Not saying this applies to all of the AI CG developers, but it applies to a nice chunk that I was forced to approve.
2. I won't give you all the full story since I want to keep some of it to myself. I've been cheated on before by my ex-fiancée. Wasn't that I was ugly, dumb, poor, small dick, or whatever other cliché reason you come up with, because I was none of those. She flat out stated it was for the following reason, "I was young, dumb, and believed the lie he was telling me." So we tried again, and of course it happened again, but with someone new. Which I finally understood the meaning of, "Once a cheater, always a cheater." It's not something someone just grows out of. They're not magically going to stop cheating. They are the type of individual with zero impulse control. So I have a long list of personal red flags I look out for now. Before that I was fine with the NTR tag. It was a fetish some people had and it didn't bother me. Getting cheated on though the way I was? That caused the hate for the tag. I won't actively shit on developers or their game. I look at it objectively and only play the game if I have some moderator duty to check for something. I just ignore the tag in Latest Updates.

Hopefully this provides some insight to OP and everyone arguing in the thread?

Thanks for the explanation. I think you explained it better than anyone else on the thread.

I especially agree with "Cuckold, Cheating, Neorase, Netori, Netorare, and Sharing are all extremely emotional fetishes.". Someone said it once that these are the kind of fetishes that just CAN'T be added to a game without fundamentally changing it.

You can add foot stuff, Domination, Toys, Femdom (Even if a bit of it crosses into the above) and still come out with the same game.

Add NTR and the like and it completely changes the game. It just CAN'T be added. Not without a warning.

Real talk for a sec. The reason I hate NTR is because there's been some times where it just showed up WITHOUT WARNING. Like, FULL ON NTR. Usually, i prefer to live and let live but when that shit happens it boils my blood.

I've never really gotten over those instances.

Still, I feel for you guys. The anti's can be fucking annoying. As long as it's foreshadowed (Or in many cases, LITERALLY IN THE TITLE), what's really to complain it? It's not even that popular.

So yeah, it's just a whole clusterfuck of emotions on both sides.

(Also, Fuck that dumbass of an Ex. You deserve better.)

 

[Saint Blackmoor]

Everyone keeps trying to tell me that I'm the crazy one for not liking a story about the thing I love being destroyed. So rather than try to explain myself again I'm going to turn the question around: what do YOU guys love about NTR so much?? Until someone makes a persuasive argument to me as to why I should play a game themed around it, I'm going to keep on saying that it sucks.

Your opinion is NTR sucks, move on.


Son, tell me why I should like NTR.
Fuck off Dad, you old drama queen.
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Son, stop urinating on my trousers.

 

[dxf2]

what's really to complain it? It's not even that popular.

lmfao are you serious?
NTR games list/recommendations and overall games hosted on this site ALONE have millions of views. Just think of bigger sites and imageboards that spawned the site we're talking on right now.

 

[dxf2]

Nearly every NTR Game is being confused by the following by the developer: Cuckold, Cheating, Neorase, Netori, Netorare, and Sharing. 'Cause god forbid we do our research before making a game.

I just want to say the formally Cuckold and Netorare are differentiated by the fact that in in the former the cuck is aware of the cheating while in the latter the cuck is unknowing. Tho at the end of the day NTR gets absorbed into cuckolding because it's strictly something digital. You have "NTR content" when you're a dude consuming cheating porn. So you basically like the thought of getting cucked/seeing other people getting cucked. So yeah, those plot porn with the wife / husband cheating on their partners are actually NTR. NTR would simply translate into cheating irl.

1. I won't give you all the full story since I want to keep some of it to myself. I've been cheated on before by my ex-fiancée. Wasn't that I was ugly, dumb, poor, small dick, or whatever other cliché reason you come up with, because I was none of those. She flat out stated it was for the following reason, "I was young, dumb, and believed the lie he was telling me." So we tried again, and of course it happened again, but with someone new. Which I finally understood the meaning of, "Once a cheater, always a cheater." It's not something someone just grows out of. They're not magically going to stop cheating. They are the type of individual with zero impulse control. So I have a long list of personal red flags I look out for now. Before that I was fine with the NTR tag. It was a fetish some people had and it didn't bother me. Getting cheated on though the way I was? That caused the hate for the tag. I won't actively shit on developers or their game. I look at it objectively and only play the game if I have some moderator duty to check for something. I just ignore the tag in Latest Updates.

Also powerful stuff, thank you for sharing and opening up. I offer you my condolences.

 

[suprisedcrankyface]

AGAIN, If what i've said is so wrong, explain why.

I have, you have chosen to ignore me to continue your 'looking into NTR for research purposes I totally swear' obsession.

Asian countries are not affected by these kind of problems because who would have guessed? They don't need to fuck their population in dishonest ways to gain approval.

Ntr stands for "Netorare," a Japanese term that refers to a genre of anime, manga, or video games that primarily focus on infidelity within relationships. Or is Japan not Asian...

just spitting pseudo-intellectual notions.

Applies to everything you say, so this asian fetish is being weaponised by... someone?? to make guys think its ok to be cheated on because porn = vulnerable state of mind??? BUT in order to be porn it has to be erotic in nature, people who don't like it wont find it erotic... those who enjoy a kink dive into it, those who don't scroll on. And you seem to well and truly diving into this one, going to far as to visit specialty porn sites

"Blacked" and similar sites promoted the "black is better"/"BBC" stereotypes

I will take your word on this, as specialty kink sites often feature a kink. This means nothing other than "I searched for a kink and found it".

The rest of your arguments make little to no sense if you have even a basic understanding of world history & dont have your head currently buried in the sand on current events.

Females are easily manipulated, i mean you give them the right to hop on someone else dick whenever they want without legal repercussions, make concessions for them at work places and overall raise sensibility in society towards them. Why would women even vote for something that goes against all of this? lol. OFC they'd want the system that benefits them.

This make 0 sense and starts to show your true reasons as to why this topic annoys you. Its also running counter to the fact that certain parties are getting more than 50% of the vote if all women are a brainwashed unified self serving collective

You need to get out of the echo chambers you are living in and get some perspective.

Whats more likely:

1) global conspiracy using a kink that (somehow) even people who find it a turn off will be convinced by

2) Some people have a fetish that dates back to 'caveman 1 watching caveman 2 bang cave-women he finds attractive'.

Like I said earlier this is all through history - orgies, threesomes, wife swapping, 'free love'. I mean the term 'cuck' itself derives from animals where a bird lays its birds in another's nest & has been used for centuries... If its not your thing then just leave it to those whose it is - it is not good for your health to invest all your energy chasing shadows.

 

[Ahsl]

Think about it: every single fetish revolves around people pleasuring each other.

My first statement was "ntr/cuckold" isn't a fetish since it differs from that cathegory because fetishes revolve around people pleasuring each other in different ways

That's not how paraphilic behaviour works. There is a large number of paraphilias and fetishes that either are one-sided or are centered around non-human subjects. There is not reciprocal pleasure of any kind in paraphilic and fetishistic activities like necrophilia, mysopedia, extreme sadism, erotophonophilia, objectophilias, zoosadism, Samos syndrome, haematolagnia, biastophilia and the like. You are just making up a completely arbitrary definition of what a "fetish" is.

That said, you can be reassured that there's no mainstream media anywhere trying to promote grave digging, bugchasing or interspecies sex.


And for the record: I have not a single ounce of interest in either "NTR", cuckolding, "harem" or any of these things, in fact I have not interest in regular relationships among adults. Personally, I am more interested in pederasty and necrophilia, so don't try to accuse me of having a stake in this discussion. I replied in this thread just to correct your misconceptions about paraphilias and fetishes.

This NTR/cuckolding/whatever polemic is completely foreign and uninteresting to me.

the english actually started to met resistence

Good.

 

[Lupiscanis]

Thanks for the explanation. I think you explained it better than anyone else on the thread.

I especially agree with "Cuckold, Cheating, Neorase, Netori, Netorare, and Sharing are all extremely emotional fetishes.". Someone said it once that these are the kind of fetishes that just CAN'T be added to a game without fundamentally changing it.

You can add foot stuff, Domination, Toys, Femdom (Even if a bit of it crosses into the above) and still come out with the same game.

Add NTR and the like and it completely changes the game. It just CAN'T be added. Not without a warning.

Just to point out that I don't think it was supposed to be an exhaustive list - there are other kinks that can fall into the category of 'adding completely changes the game', such as scat.

Just because it does or doesn't change the game for you doesn't mean it won't change it for someone else. Also some games will implement NTR filters fairly well to the point that you can entirely have a game that has NTR content in it but filtered so well if it's turned off that people like it just for the non-NTR content as well.

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Personally, I wouldn't have a problem with the NTR hate as long as it wasn't spewed all over threads. The amount of times I go into a game thread (that has the NTR tag) to have a look and within a dozen posts there's someone screaming about 'lul, cucks are subhuman' or some other garbage is just ridiculous. You're entirely within your rights to hate a fetish - I dislike oversized breasts in games for example, and there isn't even a tag for that - but just don't go trolling other threads that are clearly labelled and then get offended.

 

[suprisedcrankyface]

there are other kinks that can fall into the category of 'adding completely changes the game', such as scat.

To be fair this does turn the game to

sorry couldn't resist

 

[That other person]

I dislike oversized breasts in games for example, and there isn't even a tag for that

This... It doesn't matter how you go about it, these huge breasts are everywhere. I tried to exclude the "big tits" tag and still got bombarded with huge boobs or the absolute opposite, lolis and no breasts at all. I just want a to see a woman with a normal, feminine figure without the crazy sizes.

Sorry I know this is not NTR related, but I just had to agree with this.

 

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[Icarus Media]

You guys fighting so hard! Is this a dick waving contest? I guess whip those suckers out and see who is biggest

I've entered the thread.

 

[peterppp]

I don't have a strong feeling about them - for or against. I honestly don't give a flying flip about netorare, etc. And there are quite a few who don't, either.

same here.

Cuckold, Cheating, Neorase, Netori, Netorare, and Sharing are all extremely emotional fetishes. There's not a single user that doesn't have a strong feeling about one of them.

saying everyone has strong feelings about X (aka "you either love it or hate it") is something you often hear from people. but they are projecting their own feelings on everyone else (aka "you're either with me or against me"). humans are more varied than 0 or 1.

 

[Count Morado]

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[king meme]

1 word of me to NTR genre: FUCK

 

[Geigi]

This... It doesn't matter how you go about it, these huge breasts are everywhere. I tried to exclude the "big tits" tag and still got bombarded with huge boobs or the absolute opposite, lolis and no breasts at all. I just want a to see a woman with a normal, feminine figure without the crazy sizes.

Sorry I know this is not NTR related, but I just had to agree with this.

Even in AAA games, big tits are everywhere.

 

[MissCougar]

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Got to NTR this thread now that a big dick arrived. And it's black also. That's like literally what NTR is all about!

Even in AAA games, big tits are everywhere.

Gotta have them boobies. Though lately the boobs in a lot of games are getting very tiny.

I like an attractive chick in a game, also. Bring back the good old days.

 

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The ebony part with white men made me cringe. I have respect toward black people even more now.