UnoriginalUserName

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Does anyone has a full saves of the game and can help out with how to put it in the game? I'd appreciate it
Saves for SU involve downloading and "installing" a registry file. It's not like using saves for a Ren'Py game. There's substantially more risk involved.

I'm not trying to say anyone here would purposefully get you to install a malicious file, but just be aware of what you're asking for.
 
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destroyerofassholes

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I've always assumed Sunset was vaguely dyslexic and too proud to get his writing proofread.
Yeah. Kinda fucks whatever little immersion there was. A shame too, because Sunset is a better writer than he is an artist. A lot of the characters feel like a love letter to the JLU and BTA days, very, very authentic and sincere. If anything I'll give him that.

A lot of the parody games here turn the characters into brainless self inserts or would-be-alpha-chads.
 

billybeer

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Yeah. Kinda fucks whatever little immersion there was. A shame too, because Sunset is a better writer than he is an artist. A lot of the characters feel like a love letter to the JLU and BTA days, very, very authentic and sincere. If anything I'll give him that.

A lot of the parody games here turn the characters into brainless self inserts or would-be-alpha-chads.
He -was- a great artist in the style of the great one himself Bruce Timm, hell I would've nominated SR7 to replace him someday. Then he decided to start milking the fanbase and making copy-pasta poses with a head swap on the same body. Seriously, look at the content from 8+ years ago and all his old art out on the interwebs.

It's a shame how far he's fallen.
 

GGAdams

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Yeah. Kinda fucks whatever little immersion there was. A shame too, because Sunset is a better writer than he is an artist. A lot of the characters feel like a love letter to the JLU and BTA days, very, very authentic and sincere. If anything I'll give him that.

A lot of the parody games here turn the characters into brainless self inserts or would-be-alpha-chads.
Agree to disagree. Most play the game for the art. He is a great artist, you can see some of his past work. It's his modern work that somehow got worse, AI or not. I like his writing too, simple and efficient but I wouldn't say he writes better than he can draw.
 

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Ai Tag in, Ai Tag out, Ai Tag back in, Ai Tag out again.

So what is the Issue here? Was Ai used or not?
It's not as far as we know and as far as GSG is telling us, it's just horribly inconsistent. We know SR7 is using AI prompts to provide poses and the like for the artwork he does but he doesn't actually use AI artwork for the final product unless he's hiding it somehow.

So... doesn't SR7 usually take a month off around this time of year? I swear it's either December or January, which means a proper SU update may not be out until the first month or two of next year.
 

yuvce

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So... doesn't SR7 usually take a month off around this time of year? I swear it's either December or January, which means a proper SU update may not be out until the first month or two of next year.
The roadmap he put out a while back said he supposedly has something planned for December. But it's probably Bend or Break 2. I don't expect SU to get another update till February.
 

Oriandu

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The roadmap he put out a while back said he supposedly has something planned for December. But it's probably Bend or Break 2. I don't expect SU to get another update till February.
Ah yes, Bend or Break 2... if that's not pure AI I'll be surprised. I'll admit I've been a critic of SR7's work in both production and ethic for years, and I consider him a scam artist grifting on stolen intellectual properties, but it is amazing to see how rapidly he fell from grace. He's skipped multiple releases this year to put out rehashed content in Ren'Py form, the copy pasting got worse, then went away in favor of the three body type bimbo factor being dialed to ten, and then he starts using AI to take away what little creative integrity still existed in his artwork. I will be shocked if BoB2 isn't AI driven, I seem to recall claims made in this topic that it's already been stated that BoB2 will use AI. Honestly, it's kind of pathetic since SR7 has railed against AI in the past.
 

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Ah yes, Bend or Break 2... if that's not pure AI I'll be surprised. I'll admit I've been a critic of SR7's work in both production and ethic for years, and I consider him a scam artist grifting on stolen intellectual properties, but it is amazing to see how rapidly he fell from grace. He's skipped multiple releases this year to put out rehashed content in Ren'Py form, the copy pasting got worse, then went away in favor of the three body type bimbo factor being dialed to ten, and then he starts using AI to take away what little creative integrity still existed in his artwork. I will be shocked if BoB2 isn't AI driven, I seem to recall claims made in this topic that it's already been stated that BoB2 will use AI. Honestly, it's kind of pathetic since SR7 has railed against AI in the past.
I believe in the original announcement they stated that they would be looking at implementing AI voice-acting only, but I would not be surprised if they used AI art as well to make the deadline of "coming 2024".
 

Oriandu

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I believe in the original announcement they stated that they would be looking at implementing AI voice-acting only, but I would not be surprised if they used AI art as well to make the deadline of "coming 2024".
Honestly, AI voice acting is kind of worse than AI artwork. At least in the case of artwork he'd have to feed a bunch of his own work into the program to get it to create anything and he'd then have to do to touch ups. Speech is one of the main places that AI generation has stalled, with the voices lacking proper emotional inflection which results in a singular tone, consistent mispronunciation of basic words, no flow to the speech, and an overall objectively inferior result in comparison to the real thing. AI voice acting is wage theft as it wouldn't be hard to find people ready, willing, and able to give halfway decent pornofied impressions of the cast of LoK. On top of that I doubt anyone is expecting high quality voice acting from a "developer" who is something like nine years deep into developing a game that doesn't even have sound effects. The cheap fuck just doesn't want to pay for soundalike voice actors.
 

UnoriginalUserName

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Honestly, AI voice acting is kind of worse than AI artwork. At least in the case of artwork he'd have to feed a bunch of his own work into the program to get it to create anything and he'd then have to do to touch ups. Speech is one of the main places that AI generation has stalled, with the voices lacking proper emotional inflection which results in a singular tone, consistent mispronunciation of basic words, no flow to the speech, and an overall objectively inferior result in comparison to the real thing. AI voice acting is wage theft as it wouldn't be hard to find people ready, willing, and able to give halfway decent pornofied impressions of the cast of LoK. On top of that I doubt anyone is expecting high quality voice acting from a "developer" who is something like nine years deep into developing a game that doesn't even have sound effects. The cheap fuck just doesn't want to pay for soundalike voice actors.
Depends on the AI, man. :sneaky:
 

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The roadmap he put out a while back said he supposedly has something planned for December. But it's probably Bend or Break 2. I don't expect SU to get another update till February.
Stated Yachtoween was gonna get a major update this year, didn't happen.
Bend or Break 2 has zero sign of actual progress so...
 

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He uses AI generated images as reference, mostly for color picking, shapes, shades, clothing design etc. These 3 images of Raven that were posted are 100% drawn by him. I have no idea about anything else that was done behing the scenes but I'm honestly inclined to believe it is him doing the drawing, it's just that he changed it too much since the "Bodybuilders experiment" event.
If you think this isn't AI with "touch ups" (read: half assed attempts to fix the hands and the eyes that after two years LLM gen still can't do right), you are legally blind or a liar.
 

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If you think this isn't AI with "touch ups" (read: half assed attempts to fix the hands and the eyes that after two years LLM gen still can't do right), you are legally blind or a liar.
The statement of "no AI used" was in regards to the Raven pictures which were drawn by him live during the stream. If that was AI then it was one slow as hell AI considering how long the stream was and how slow it was rendering the image(everyone can view the stream on his Picarto even now as it was recorded). In regards to the other art I made it clear that I am not sure if it's AI or not and only voiced my opinion based on the evidence so far.

Since the Raven pictures look just as ugly to me as the recent pictures that have been implemented in the game in recent updates I find it hard to believe he matched his drawing style to that of some AI generated pictures. Maybe he did though and you are right, which is why I made it clear not to confirm or deny the AI theory floating around here and made sure to underline the fact that it is just my opinion. My opinion!, which I'm not about to change because of an idiot with no concept of the fact that various people have various opinions when there isn't enough evidence. Hell, in today's world some people even ignore facts just for the sake of being right, which at the moment, none of us is since there isn't enough proof to confirm either theory. You're welcome to voice your opinion but at the same time I have the right not give a fuck about it.
 
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If you think this isn't AI with "touch ups" (read: half assed attempts to fix the hands and the eyes that after two years LLM gen still can't do right), you are legally blind or a liar.
Or, considering there is an entire video of him drawing and coloring it, you wouldn’t know how to spot AI if it slapped you upside the head and listened to the rattle.
 
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