Mishanya1004

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This is like the first time I've ever seen GS being so active on F95 responding to everyone lately
"responding" lmao

Come back here in a year when Bend or Break 2 will definitely be released and SU will have fastened up development (this time for real guys we promise).
(Though I will admit, switching from Unity is somewhat of an improvement, so kudos where it is due - but I have been burned one too many times to actually trust the situation to change).

You make a slideshow CYOA with variables. Any and all excuses about delays are bullshit and have been for a decade. You and every PR person have endlessly lied and misled again and again and again; the reddit AMA guy you claim to have fired was only a symptom.

If you expect people to trust you enough to give you money, the point that was still possible was passed years ago. I have no idea what you think you're accomplishing posting here.
Hello, CEO of based?

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Bro, we on fucking f95zone. Why else would you come here but to be one?

Gunsmoke via Patreon said:
We’ve ditched the 2-month cycle in favour of a "completion-based" one. That means we’re focused on quality over quantity, with updates planned every 2 to 4 months. And yes, you’ll hear about timelines early and often.
Oh, wow, actual honesty for once. Outside of the "4-months" thing because we all know "completion based" is dev speak for "whenever the fuck it is finished, I guess."
 
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Sergiv2001

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So your saying the trade war started cause of the ren'py transition :unsure:
Yes, and the US IT giants tax that will be (don't be surprised) given in Canada this summer retroactively since 2022 (it's not joke, trust me) possibly is a result of the SU development :)
 

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Gentlemens, I strongly recommend that you simply block dev, because you will only get upset seeing what he writes.
I mean, we all know he came here to sell us fairy tales about things that don't exist and make excuses, so why get upset?
 

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Your feelings were communicated by many, and that is why events in Ren'py will be just for web and Android moving forward. We're going to release the full game in Ren'py and be depreciating the Unity versions as early as later this year. We made this announcement a month ago. But the only thing that will be a slight issue is that some assets in the new Ren'py version of SU will be of a slightly lower quality, as we will be converting the images to higher qualities as we go along.

Here is the post btw




In my opinion your post history shows a clear anger and frustration. Also I will again state that if you as saying something is bullshit, chances are you don't understand that thing. I have given you factual points and you will still call them bullshit.



Thank you Raystale for taking the time to write this up. I will do my best to answer any criticisms or add to the narrative here.



I just want to add that you want to know information that wasn't available to anyone, even SR7. We couldn't tell you what was planned as there were no hard plans. in the two month window SR7 started to create and implement, if he ran into design issues, he moved on. It wasn't good. We had no estimates other than when the build was due.

As for the checkpoint system, it's designed to get better knowledge out to you. But it's about opening dialogue on the team as well. It's been a marked improvement.



Thank you, and cleaning up the narrative here, and bring it inline to a more friendly atmosphere is what we want. We have more planning going on. However we haven't discussed a releasing an actual number for planned assets. In my opinion that would give the trolls more ammo. I can already see the "they said there would be 36 scenes and there is only 35!",when in fact there is like 40+. But there will be more progress updates, and free ones as well.



I agree, and this is a symptom of the two month cycle in my opinion. With a lack of planning, you can see additions of things that have never been filled out. Character slots, device levels, threat system. Themyscira map is a big one! SR7 designs the map first then fills it in, that is how Themyscira is done.



I want to address some stuff here for you raystale, as there might be some context you aren't aware of, due to us being 10 years old now. Teasers is something our Patrons do not want period, a huge thing they like is the curiosity of looking for the new content and discovering it first. In fact when we released changelogs we had an outpouring of complaints over it having spoilers. This also builds on your picarto streams comment, as we need to find content people don't want spoiled. Bordello content is what fit the bill here.

As for you viewing the need for us to continue to up the value as our support rises. This would be impossible to manage month to month. If you have a wildly successful quarter and grow 10-25% are we to then grow our output that much? Then what happens when you have months were you lose 10%? Would people be ok with us doing less? A better system is to just keep doing what you're, and if you get more people to subscribe then that is what happpens. We already have added people to the team, and have spent money for years on projects like SU Android, where people were unaware of the investment.

As for your scene count, it's off by a factor of over 2. We track this closely internally, and have been for well over 6+ years now. This is just for releases. We also build up content as the year progresses, for large updates. However we will be eliminating those, and making the cycles longer in those periods to keep the content level what should be expected.



I'm sorry, but this isn't clear. Are you saying that the cycle to releases has been getting longer and longer? We had 8 releases of content last year on every platform (PC, Android, Mac, Web). Yes Halloween was a fucking bust, but we still ported it to Android and that took 3 months of work.



The last few updates have been lackluster in the corruption dept, and we agree with you on the cell content style of writing. It's something we have brought up recently with the team.

Take care.
I forgot to respond previously, but thanks for the response. Some last thoughts I wanted to add.

- Lack of planning other than basically on the fly in a 2 month window is pretty damn bad. Better planning is good and thanks for that.

- Patrons/supporters not wanting any spoilers/teasers is strange to me(?). If there is enough/appropriate amount of content per update why would they be concerned about spoiled imo? Other devs do tons of teasers/content in between updates and still have enough that supporters don't feel like they've already seen all the content by the time update releases.

- The comment about how much is being delivered. I get for content that backgrounds and intro scenes are included, for actual like sex content in general there's usually one static scene with a different finish for sexual content at most, and my estimate for 15 scenes was just actual full on sex content. Lots of 3D artists (different mediums Ik but I wanna contrast a bit) have different angles, sounds and variations in a scene. SU just for scenes and art is usually a slideshow with some static changes, which is why I felt like the content amount could be improved, obviously actual amount of effort towards creating content varies.

This how I feel about content delivery on the project, but ultimately if the content delivery is at a stable pace that the creator and actual patrons (I'm a pirate so Ik my opinion means less to the devs) are fine with then I'll just deal with it.

Cheers.
 
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Why over half hear no update ? what's the matter ?
We did an update in April here is the link. Although we are the OP on this thread we do not update the links (or mess with them) that is our longstanding agreement with F95 ownership.




Oh, wow, actual honesty for once. Outside of the "4-months" thing because we all know "completion based" is dev speak for "whenever the fuck it is finished, I guess."
Again Mishanya, we announced this in January. So I'm confused at your surprised response. This post was a recap. Also you're exactly correct. Except we have planned the asset count so we should fall inside that window.


I forgot to respond previously, but thanks for the response. Some last thoughts I wanted to add.

- Lack of planning other than basically on the fly in a 2 month window is pretty damn bad. Better planning is good and thanks for that.

- Patrons/supporters not wanting any spoilers/teasers is strange to me(?). If there is enough/appropriate amount of content per update why would they be concerned about spoiled imo? Other devs do tons of teasers/content in between updates and still have enough that supporters don't feel like they've already seen all the content by the time update releases.

- The comment about how much is being delivered. I get for content that backgrounds and intro scenes are included, for actual like sex content in general there's usually one static scene with a different finish for sexual content at most, and my estimate for 15 scenes was just actual full on sex content. Lots of 3D artists (different mediums Ik but I wanna contrast a bit) have different angles, sounds and variations in a scene. SU just for scenes and art is usually a slideshow with some static changes, which is why I felt like the content amount could be improved, obviously actual amount of effort towards creating content varies.

This how I feel about content delivery on the project, but ultimately if the content delivery is at a stable pace that the creator and actual patrons (I'm a pirate so Ik my opinion means less to the devs) are fine with then I'll just deal with it.
Thank you for responding in a constructive way!

Yes, the two month window was starting to show it's cracks years ago. We thought we could get by but with larger events that take years to complete (and shouldn't be that way) we just end up piling up mistakes.

As for spoilers, its been a long running thing. Our internal scorecards even have curiosity on them due to this. When we polled patrons in December a large amount of comments focused on the curiosity aspect of the builds. In fact when we introduced change logs we had a big outpouring of complaints due to the spoiler nature of them. Many didn't want them at all.

Yes and hand drawn art doesn't get the advantage of having a prebuilt model that can be re-used, with dynamic lighting to handle shadows. For hand drawn art if you change the angle, you have to redraw the entire BG, and scene all over again. Just a perspective change results in double the work. If a static image takes a minimum of 8+hrs all in (sketch to colour) you're now talking 16+ hrs for a perspective change, and we're not adding the couple hours for BG's. A huge time sink is alternate BG's that come as you implement the assets, every perspective change needs a new BG and those can take upto 4 hrs to do.
 

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We did an update in April here is the link. Although we are the OP on this thread we do not update the links (or mess with them) that is our longstanding agreement with F95 ownership.

? This is a piracy forum how can you prevent people here to update the links ? what's going on, who is next DarkCookie ? maybe KST or NLT ? if more dev's will have the power of blocking updates than what have this site to offer
 
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? This is a piracy forum how can you prevent people here to update the links ? what's going on, who is next DarkCookie ? maybe KST or NLT ? if more dev's will have the power of blocking updates than what have this site to offer
I'm sorry if I wasn't clear. We do not block or prevent the links at all, we just don't SHARE them here ourselves. It was our deal with F95 ownership, in order for us to be OP of this thread.

To be clear the only way I could prevent links from sharing here is by removing Patrons that do leak (we have in the past). Otherwise we do not alter the links shared here.
 
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Well since everyone is giving their criticism. I'll give them some credit. I'm no white knight of course but this game has become the Nvidia of superhero porn game. It's either this game which has lot of content and other are there but with not as good as this one in some aspects. (Like AMD).

I'll start by saying I love this game (yeah still do even with regular update problem). I remember about 4 year ago I found out this game out of nowhere and did not believe the exact art style of justice league unlimited how good it looked and how much content it had. Then finding out that game is pc only. So had learn about pc emulation. Had to search through different versions of exagear (Pc emulator which can run this game) which is best suited for my Android GPU. Finally I was able to play this game and it was so fun up until version 2.4.3 after that maybe something changed? Exagear was not able to run this game. Have pc now so that problem is solved.

I'll give lot of hot takes which people here might not like.

1. I believe Ai can be used in this game. Hell I use it whenever I'm free for making other characters out of DC (chun li, Ada Wong, Scarlet from ff7). I won't have any problem if ai is used for betterment and saving time in between updates. As long as it's not completely Ai.

2. No need to "END" this game I like this art and style and also there need to be new ways I can fuck character (wonder woman needs more pounding). So keep the game alive as long as SR7 can draw or good enough lora is created.

3. Hopefully Renpy is highly moddable. So I can maybe learn little bit of coding to add my personally generated stuff and replace character like cheetah with chun lii or mai.

So in summary.

Use Ai as long as it's not completely generated, keep the content coming no need to "END" this game and Renpy is a good step forward really looking forward for modding my stuff.

Keep up the good stuff this game is very fun and hard to play sometime (if you know what I need).

Peace ✌✌
 

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Well since everyone is giving their criticism. I'll give them some credit. I'm no white knight of course but this game has become the Nvidia of superhero porn game. It's either this game which has lot of content and other are there but with not as good as this one in some aspects. (Like AMD).

I'll start by saying I love this game (yeah still do even with regular update problem). I remember about 4 year ago I found out this game out of nowhere and did not believe the exact art style of justice league unlimited how good it looked and how much content it had. Then finding out that game is pc only. So had learn about pc emulation. Had to search through different versions of exagear (Pc emulator which can run this game) which is best suited for my Android GPU. Finally I was able to play this game and it was so fun up until version 2.4.3 after that maybe something changed? Exagear was not able to run this game. Have pc now so that problem is solved.

I'll give lot of hot takes which people here might not like.

1. I believe Ai can be used in this game. Hell I use it whenever I'm free for making other characters out of DC (chun li, Ada Wong, Scarlet from ff7). I won't have any problem if ai is used for betterment and saving time in between updates. As long as it's not completely Ai.

2. No need to "END" this game I like this art and style and also there need to be new ways I can fuck character (wonder woman needs more pounding). So keep the game alive as long as SR7 can draw or good enough lora is created.

3. Hopefully Renpy is highly moddable. So I can maybe learn little bit of coding to add my personally generated stuff and replace character like cheetah with chun lii or mai.

So in summary.

Use Ai as long as it's not completely generated, keep the content coming no need to "END" this game and Renpy is a good step forward really looking forward for modding my stuff.

Keep up the good stuff this game is very fun and hard to play sometime (if you know what I need).

Peace ✌✌
Deadshot I want to first off thank you for taking the time to not only write this, but to keep it in a tone that makes it much easier for me to respond. Also I agree with everything you write, and want to add some narrative/story to help you and I be on the same wavelength.

I really want to touch on the AI aspect, because of those who want to kick us and laugh also point to everything being AI. When we announced our exploration into AI we hadn't even made any capital investments, that's how fucking transparent we felt we needed to be. We went out and bought a brand new PC, and loaded Comfy (I think that is what it is called), poached a SR7 LoRA off civit and prompted. In minutes I had some wicked Korra stuff and sent it to SR7, only for his extremely sharp eye to start and pick that shit apart. That image would have saved MINUTES, and some of them no time savings at all (you have to find the errors which only replaces a task with another).

Then the ethics question began to be raised. This might be fly over the head of those who again want to punch the shit out of me, but gen AI is piracy at its core. I believe that is why it just doesn't feel good for art. Sure some of us can see it as a tool, but its got that tinge of ick on it. Especially if you're a "creator"

This led us to start looking at what you guys do over at Fan art. Now I have worked closely with several of those members since the inception of that thread (not those who started it, as they started it as a fuck you to us). I love what you guys do, and we have worked with several members in learning their side. But again SR7's eye picks out the mistakes in seconds. And as the saying goes "You can't unring the the bell", once your eye sees the mistake it just can't be unseen.

We use AI for other things non creative aspects, and are exploring using it to enhance our planning and early draft phases. But at this point it's not in a place we can use without first creating the art by hand to make it usable, and in that case we might as well just create the art.

As for the Ren'py Android stuff, I really want to make Android users like yourself equal to those of PC. However due to RAM and device variability it seems to be impossible. But we're going to work on it, especially if you run a flagship device.
 
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Deadshot I want to first off thank you for taking the time to not only write this, but to keep it in a tone that makes it much easier for me to respond. Also I agree with everything you write, and want to add some narrative/story to help you and I be on the same wavelength.

I really want to touch on the AI aspect, because of those who want to kick us and laugh also point to everything being AI. When we announced our exploration into AI we hadn't even made any capital investments, that's how fucking transparent we felt we needed to be. We went out and bought a brand new PC, and loaded Comfy (I think that is what it is called), poached a SR7 LoRA off civit and prompted. In minutes I had some wicked Korra stuff and sent it to SR7, only for his extremely sharp eye to start and pick that shit apart. That image would have saved MINUTES, and some of them no time savings at all (you have to find the errors which only replaces a task with another).

Then the ethics question began to be raised. This might be fly over the head of those who again want to punch the shit out of me, but gen AI is piracy at its core. I believe that is why it just doesn't feel good for art. Sure some of us can see it as a tool, but its got that tinge of ick on it. Especially if you're a "creator"

This led us to start looking at what you guys do over at Fan art. Now I have worked closely with several of those members since the inception of that thread (not those who started it, as they started it as a fuck you to us). I love what you guys do, and we have worked with several members in learning their side. But again SR7's eye picks out the mistakes in seconds. And as the saying goes "You can't unring the the bell", once your eye sees the mistake it just can't be unseen.

We use AI for other things non creative aspects, and are exploring using it to enhance our planning and early draft phases. But at this point it's not in a place we can use without first creating the art by hand to make it usable, and in that case we might as well just create the art.

As for the Ren'py Android stuff, I really want to make Android users like yourself equal to those of PC. However due to RAM and device variability it seems to be impossible. But we're going to work on it, especially if you run a flagship device.
a couple of years ago around when y'all drop the update 2.0.6 or 2.0.7(it been son long) that yall wasn't doing animation anymore cause it took too long to finish, so that it was going to be on the backlog for a while. So my question is are you guys still planning on keep it on the backlog and wait for the everything to be done or are you guys thinking of adding animation to some of the girl who already got full cell content with this new 4 month release plan?
 
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a couple of years ago around when y'all drop the update 2.0.6 or 2.0.7(it been son long) that yall wasn't doing animation anymore cause it took too long to finish, so that it was going to be on the backlog for a while. So my question is are you guys still planning on keep it on the backlog and wait for the everything to be done or are you guys thinking of adding animation to some of the girl who already got full cell content with this new 4 month release plan?
They still haven't released BOB2 update promised in 2024. To answer your question, definitely not.
 

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Good afternoon, I have a question, since Su 2.48 in the Unity engine will cancel all the content, will they migrate Renpy to Themyscira or Gotham?
 

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Full v2.4.5 save for the Slot 1
All the new scenes unlocked in the Vault - Event Scenes.

Extract the archive, double click the .reg file to import saves. Beware, this will replace your current saves for the slot 1.

Not a bug. Girls can't be in a few places at the same time. In my saves they are all in the cells.
To put them in the club or in the bordello from there you need to reset their devices first.
To reset device:
Lexcorp - Labs - Labs - Devices - Upgrade - Choose a girl - Reset - Reset
Note that when you're resetting a device you reset its level, and you need to upgrade its level to do more explicit stuff in the Club/Bordello.
I can't find file location to place save
 
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I can't find file location to place save
But Hentagram clearly wrote - double click the reg file to put your save to the Windows registry, where all saves for Unity version of SU are stored. There isn't special place for saving data in the UNITY version of the game exept of the registry and aren't any special save files their.
 
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