Unity Something Unlimited [v2.4.8] [Gunsmoke Games]
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Yeah that metaphor is pretty trash, here's a better one: Imagine paying a Carpenter to build a house, Since a House is an expensive investment, you decided to pay him every month for his work to fund development until completion. After years of Development that house still hasn't finished, despite you pouring more money each month and him telling you'll he will start a construction company and hire on help. Despite the Fact that you're supposed to receive progress reports on his work every two months (which you extended because 1 month was too difficult for him) he regularly runs late to the point where the updates are hitting around every three to 4 months instead. And, when that progress update does release, you find out that he spent three months and only completed furnishing the guest bedroom (and those furniture pieces look awfully familiar), despite the fact that the Roof has holes in it and there isn't any plumbing. Then you start to wonder whether he's intentionally stalling you out so you pay for development, or he's just so lazy he couldn't be bothered to actually work. Maybe Both. Of Course people are upset, there paying for development of a product and seeing very little progress.
Darkness65
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Nobody is paying anybody for a product. Some people choose to support a creator to... well, create. Don't like what the creator do with your support? Find another creator who deserves said support. It's very simple.
I'm supporting some devs in Patreon. I've changed my pledges according to my liking of their actual works, and also their work ethics.
I'm supporting some devs in Patreon. I've changed my pledges according to my liking of their actual works, and also their work ethics.
beishiznit
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A lot of people in this thread = I can criticize you, but you can't criticize me or the developer.
I guess it's ok when you do it. Hypocrites.
I guess it's ok when you do it. Hypocrites.
so Im new here and have a few questions -
1)whats going on with the whole scammer thing
2) is the rebuilt version a less grindy version or is it just to make shit easier for them to add content and what not?
3)can they please stop fucking using registry files as saves - its one thing to download a save file online but its too risky to download a registry file - yea ik just play the game blah blah - but still its kinda annoying
1)whats going on with the whole scammer thing
2) is the rebuilt version a less grindy version or is it just to make shit easier for them to add content and what not?
3)can they please stop fucking using registry files as saves - its one thing to download a save file online but its too risky to download a registry file - yea ik just play the game blah blah - but still its kinda annoying
1) People are getting upset about Sunset having troubles to deliever on his own deadlines. Thats why theyre calling him a scammer as they see the Patreon donations as a direct payment to do said work which they say takes longer and longer.
2) The reason why they take so long is that the code for the game is a ridiculous mess that gets worse the more they add to it. Cue the Rebuilt version which should have been an easier foundation to add further content on and promised a streamlined and more userfriendly experience.
They hired another person to do it in tandem with the releases and planned to merge once its ready. However the guy coding it did not deliever and work on the rebuilt version stopped iirc. Now Sunset has a still buggy as fuck game that is basically the code version of a jenga tower and bugfixing takes forever because of this.
3) Maybe that would have happened with rebuilt. As of now that save system sgotta stay
2) The reason why they take so long is that the code for the game is a ridiculous mess that gets worse the more they add to it. Cue the Rebuilt version which should have been an easier foundation to add further content on and promised a streamlined and more userfriendly experience.
They hired another person to do it in tandem with the releases and planned to merge once its ready. However the guy coding it did not deliever and work on the rebuilt version stopped iirc. Now Sunset has a still buggy as fuck game that is basically the code version of a jenga tower and bugfixing takes forever because of this.
3) Maybe that would have happened with rebuilt. As of now that save system sgotta stay
lollapoza
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1. Meh, people are just trying to do something while waiting for the update.
2. Forget it. Consider that rebuilt version does not exist.
3. Nope. Play the game. Press X to bring up the cheat menu.
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They said they would be fixing bugs and improving the game a little bit, if the content of this final update doesn't match what they said, then you can call them scammers. It's better to wait before having to go headbanging and typing. But on the other hand, it's weird that they don't make any kind of announcement on their patreon or just show a little teaser for folks to find out what's coming for this next update. Fuck, they could be a little more reasonable, that would make people cold-headed.
The biggest problem I think sunset has is he's kind of approaching this like you would write a book or maybe make a comic (?)...
which is to say he's writing it linearly rather than doing (what I'd think be the more "obvious" choice) and start with something a little more simplistic.
take the first girl(s), and progress them through, features and all to an ending.
oh and don't use the registry for saves, that's a bad idea.
which is to say he's writing it linearly rather than doing (what I'd think be the more "obvious" choice) and start with something a little more simplistic.
take the first girl(s), and progress them through, features and all to an ending.
oh and don't use the registry for saves, that's a bad idea.
Is sunset open to offers of work?
I've been doing some work with Unity lately and looking at the way that Something Unlimited is coded (from an external point of view), I swear I could probably throw together a better framework for the game in a month or two max.
Obviously, I couldn't do anything about the art, but at the very least I'm fairly certain I could create a decent modular framework that would let him drop in the completed assets in a way that wouldn't take ages, and that would leave progress up to story writing and art.
I mean, if nothing else, I could set up a quick rig that should be able to convert a quick script into scenes as long as art is provided.
I have admittedly less experience with getting unity working on android, but I do have some (mainly VR) so it shouldn't be that much of a problem.
I've been doing some work with Unity lately and looking at the way that Something Unlimited is coded (from an external point of view), I swear I could probably throw together a better framework for the game in a month or two max.
Obviously, I couldn't do anything about the art, but at the very least I'm fairly certain I could create a decent modular framework that would let him drop in the completed assets in a way that wouldn't take ages, and that would leave progress up to story writing and art.
I mean, if nothing else, I could set up a quick rig that should be able to convert a quick script into scenes as long as art is provided.
I have admittedly less experience with getting unity working on android, but I do have some (mainly VR) so it shouldn't be that much of a problem.
I dont think you have to worry about the android port since Sunset himself aint lol.
In that case, if nothing else, I'm fairly sure (80%?) I can get a modular setup working in under two months. Fully complete with ports of all the scenes so far. I'll probably even be able to set up a more functional save-state system and get fan-translation support in there too for shits and giggles.
The only thing I could see being a challenge is if they animate the scenes in unity as opposed to doing it in... basically anything else and loading a rendered video file to unity. Given that the game is a bit over eight gigs, I get the feeling that they do pre-render the animated scenes. I could be wrong though, there are a lot of assets in the game, and at a relatively high resolution, so I could see myself being wrong about that, but at the same time, eight gigs is a lot of data.
If they did animate it in unity...
Well, I'll just hope that I could re-use their animation scenes, since doing it from scratch would take a ridiculously long time.
Assets are already online, best case scenario I think you make your own proof of concept prototype and then pitch it to them.
you are literally paying for a product. this isn't a "if you pledge on patreon you get more shit" kind of a deal like supporting a youtuber or something, this game is literally supposed to be only for patreons, it's a product you pay and get access to. (unless you want the months old free build which is again an advertisement for the full version more than anything else)
you pay sunset and get the game in return, which he uses as funds to update the game. how in fuck is this transaction not paying someone for a product?
sugarcoating this by pretentiously calling it being a donor of the arts is dumb. i have no idea how you managed to make yourself believe what you said.
then again this is how these devs still have 16k dollars in support, right? all their patrons must have somehow convinced themselves that they aren't really paying for anything in return and that's how they're fine with months of nothing happening.
some massive sunk cost stuff
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Public Build is 2.2.6, patreon is 2.3.1, it's not that out of date (considering the slow rate of progress), and they (devs) update this forum regularly with the latest leak. Patreon is to stop them slowing down due to having to go to work at a normal job. The monthly payment on patreon IS about 3 times what they need, as they refuse to make big expantions to their dev team, but they do need around 3k per month to keep the game going. They have had (off me) what I consider the game to be worth, and when it makes a noticable improvement, they may get more.
That said, the main reason it takes so long to update is that they used the wrong engine for their coding style, and really should have started again from scratch ages ago.